Why do so many see McQuistan & Austin as chump change?

[MichaelWinicki]

You know it seems to me that every year posters like to pick out someo UFA or 6th or 7th round picks that they fall in love with and feel they are the answer at whatever position. I just dont' understand the love affair with UFA's. Maybe its cheering for the underdog's.....meh....

23% of all players on NFL rosters are undrafted free agents. I think "believing" that a UFA or a low round pick can't make a big contribution to a club is ludicrous.

 

[NoDak Cowboy]

Parcells had a good idea for OL and undercovered some good ones.

Uh, maybe I just wasn't paying attention these last four years, but could someone enlighten me as to just who this person is refering too?


Parcells brought a lot of talent to Dallas in his time here. But Olinemen is far, far down that list.

 

[carphalen5150]

Uh, maybe I just wasn't paying attention these last four years, but could someone enlighten me as to just who this person is refering too?


Parcells brought a lot of talent to Dallas in his time here. But Olinemen is far, far down that list.

There was Rob Pettiti, Stephen Peterman, CJ Whitley, Al Johnson, Justin Bates, Jacob Rogers, and the HOF-bound McQuistan.

All great picks.

Sincerely

Sarcasm

 

[theebs]

23% of all players on NFL rosters are undrafted free agents. I think "believing" that a UFA or a low round pick can't make a big contribution to a club is ludicrous.

To expand on that and finish this stat from ourlads.

The third highest draft round for starters is Undrafted Free agents. There are more starting players in the league from the UFA pool than the 3rd through 7th rounds.

First round-27%
Second Round -18%
Undrafted 16%

also this tidbit, 645 UFA sign each year opposed to 225 Drafted.

 

[NoDak Cowboy]

There was Rob Pettiti, Stephen Peterman, CJ Whitley, Al Johnson, Justin Bates, Jacob Rogers, and the HOF-bound McQuistan.

All great picks.

Sincerely

Sarcasm

You forgot the free agents.

Guys like Marc Colombo, Jason Fabini, Ryan Young, Marco Rivera, Cory Proctor, Joe Berger, Kyle Kosier, etc...

Woof.

 

[iceberg]

Some people have this notion that if a player is not drafted HIGH, then they can only be a back up or in a WR case, a #3 or #4. They have this thought because, if they were good enough to be a #1, then someone would have drafted them high.

I personally think this line of thought is just plain stupid. I think Austin and Hurd can become very good if not GREAT WR for this team. They are just raw, they need to develop. It is on their shoulders, if they put in the time and effort, they will be very successful. Austin is very fast and from what I have seen, has pretty good hands. Once he develops a feel for the game, when to sit in coverage, when to break off a route, how to see the blitz and go to Hot route,, etc.. he will be very dangerous. Hurd to me is the better of the two WR. He just seems to have the knack to find the open spot and catches everything.

I think both of these guys will be on this team for a long time. I do not feel the need to press in this years Draft to get a WR, esp early. I would not be against drafting a WR in the 3rd or 4th rounds. I think we have some very good talents in Crayton, Hurd and Austin.

and SOME people have a notion that because SOME people realize odds are greater for a round 1 player vs. a round 7 player to have a meaningfull career, they mean ALL PLAYERS will go the VERY SAME ROUTE.

not possible, is it?

no, it's not.

just because someone was taken late doesn't mean they could never be a player. if someone said that - SHOW ME.

SOME PEOPLE just like to misconstrue statements out of personal boredom, i would think. fyi - i'm a bit more "adamant" here cause i was one of those who felt that taking a OT high isn't a bad idea. it hedges the bet and worst case if both work out - we can trade or work it out later.

no one that i know of said because mcq was drafted in the 7th cannot succeed. what has been said is he's done nothing to show he could be yet, and that round 1 talent generally has a higher chance of success than round 7 talent.

now this will likely get twisted up next.

 

[sacase]

Since we just love those percentages.

Round 1 36.3% (8)
Round 2 18.1% (4)
Round 3 13.6% (3)
Round 4 18.1% (4)
Round 5 0% (0)
Round 6 0% (0)
Round 7 9% (2)
UFA 4.5% (1)

Those are the numbers of our guys who are STARTING on our team. So forgive me for being skeptical about a UFA becoming our startin WR's and LT. so I think your 23% number is skewed a little bit.

 

[iceberg]

23% of all players on NFL rosters are undrafted free agents. I think "believing" that a UFA or a low round pick can't make a big contribution to a club is ludicrous.

great - who said they couldn't? what's been said is "odds are".

people look at a sleeper or a late round success story and tend to ignore the other 25-30 failures that were drafted in that round also.

and like has been pointed out - of that 23% - how many are started and how many are depth?

 

[iceberg]

Since we just love those percentages.

Round 1 36.3% (8)
Round 2 18.1% (4)
Round 3 13.6% (3)
Round 4 18.1% (4)
Round 5 0% (0)
Round 6 0% (0)
Round 7 9% (2)
UFA 4.5% (1)

Those are the numbers of our guys who are STARTING on our team. So forgive me for being skeptical about a UFA becoming our startin WR's and LT. so I think your 23% number is skewed a little bit.

wow. this would look like the players in the later rounds are...

DEPTH???

HOW COULD THAT BE??? : )

good #'s post.

 

[sacase]

wow. this would look like the players in the later rounds are...

DEPTH???

HOW COULD THAT BE??? : )

good #'s post.

Yep exactly right, which is why I said I can see them as role players. Not answers to problems.

 

[theebs]

Since we just love those percentages.

Round 1 36.3% (8)
Round 2 18.1% (4)
Round 3 13.6% (3)
Round 4 18.1% (4)
Round 5 0% (0)
Round 6 0% (0)
Round 7 9% (2)
UFA 4.5% (1)

Those are the numbers of our guys who are STARTING on our team. So forgive me for being skeptical about a UFA becoming our startin WR's and LT. so I think your 23% number is skewed a little bit.

23 % is the league wide number. Its not skewed its from every team. The fact that more players are starting from the undrafted pool than the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th round is a wow stat to me.

And just because these numbers are put out there, doesnt mean anything positive or negative about austin, hurd or mcquistan.

its just a number or a trend if you will. Teams in this era look for every advantage they can and if you do your work and get lucky you can get an ufa that makes an impact.

 

[peplaw06]

To expand on that and finish this stat from ourlads.

The third highest draft round for starters is Undrafted Free agents. There are more starting players in the league from the UFA pool than the 3rd through 7th rounds.

First round-27%
Second Round -18%
Undrafted 16%

also this tidbit, 645 UFA sign each year opposed to 225 Drafted.

That part skews the numbers. With 3 times as many UFA than in rounds 3-7, the odds are there will be more of them starting.

 

[Hostile]

No. I'm saying people on a message board who have not seen what the coaches have seen are not in a position to make a valid judgment about the worth of a player. We may form prejudices one way or another, but it is usually an uninformed prejudice. It is not faith in the players that is in operation (or not), it is faith in the coaches who are in a position to more validly make a judgment.

Holy hypocrisy Batman!!!

If posters on a message board aren't convinced that a player is a long term solution because said player has not contribute din meaningful games yet; it is jumping the gun because they do not see everything the coaches do in practice.

If on the other hand posters are convinced of a player's intrinsic value for years to come it is justified; even though they to do not see everything the coaches do in practice.

I'm sorry, I do not follow that logic at all, and if I were going to follow it, my gut would tell me to trust what hasn't been seen more than what has been seen. In other words, the fact that the 2 players in question did little to contribute in 2006 just might indicate that they are roster spot players moreso than long term solutions.

Now, I am not saying that is the case. I am saying that until we see them contribute in actual NFL games as opposed to pre-season, that it is premature to think one is the solution at LT when Flo leaves, and the other is a #1 or #2 WR. That's a leap of faith that is far more perplexing than an erroneous assumption that those looking for more evidence think these 2 guys are "chump change."

 

[jterrell]

I don't remember anyone classifying them as "chump change." I've heard people say there isn't enough evidence yet. Is it possible you take umbrage with any lack of perceived faith no matter how realistic the logic behind it might be?

im with the guy with bad knees

I do not dislike McQuistan or Austin but they need to perform on Sundays before I can do more than theorize. Actually making the active roster weekly would be a start.

There have been a 100 fan favorites littering the bottom of our roster over the years and very few ascend to even regular rotational status. Most are special teams guy who end up cut within 3 years.

 

[sacase]

That part skews the numbers. With 3 times as many UFA than in rounds 3-7, the odds are there will be more of them starting.

Also how many UFA's sign during the season for one game bcause someone goes on IR or becasue someone was sucking bad and got cut?

 

[Hostile]

im with the guy with bad knees

I do not dislike McQuistan or Austin but they need to perform on Sundays before I can do more than theorize. Actually making the active roster weekly would be a start.

There have been a 100 fan favorites littering the bottom of our roster over the years and very few ascend to even regular rotational status. Most are special teams guy who end up cut within 3 years.

:laugh2:

That made my day.

 

[theebs]

That part skews the numbers. With 3 times as many UFA than in rounds 3-7, the odds are there will be more of them starting.

Yes that is true, but isnt the perception that better players and only useful players are taken in higher rounds.....?

 

[Marktui]

Let's see how he does in the offseason. If he gains some strength and conditioning he might be able to help out. He came from a small school,Montana I believe, so going from there to the NFL is a big jump. Plus, he hasn't played football for very long. I give him another year and will expect something out of him in the next season.

Larry Allen came from a small school, but Larry was a special player, who was as strong as the players in the NFL when he came in. So he had that going for him and he still got rocked by Reggie White in the Thanksgiving game. So Pat has a long road ahead of him.

 

[jterrell]

That part skews the numbers. With 3 times as many UFA than in rounds 3-7, the odds are there will be more of them starting.

Not only that but is skewed because kickers and punters are frequently non-draftees.

How many undrafted DEs are there starting in the NFL?

Sure, guys can fall through cracks but as that stat attests 45% of all starters in the NFL comes from the first two rounds of the NFL draft. Any team that wants to give me their 1st and 2nd every year can have my 3rd thru 7th rounders.

I'll even give them there top choice of my UFA's.

 

[jterrell]

:laugh2:

That made my day.

I am glad

Its a long, long off-season.

Ready for some football, sheesh.