Why do so many see McQuistan & Austin as chump change?

[conner01]

I will not be surprised if McQuistan actually ends up starting this year. Parcells had a good idea for OL and undercovered some good ones.

As to Flo playing for a contract, he really never has. He has always been in the situation of a team needing him (us) or the market in dire need of LTs (the rest of the teams). Yes, I am hopefully that Flo plays well this year but realistically I expect the norm from him. He gets lazy during games, he will end up allowing around 10 to 12 sacks of the QB through the season. He has never been a "nasty" player on the field and does not tend to finish blocks when the play is away from him.

He is a good LT but he will never be compared to a Tunei at LT in Dallas or even Eric Wright at RT. Larry Allen is a HOF LG/RG and a much better LT than Adams.

Posters on this board and others mostly dismiss any player that isn't drafted which is pure nonsense. Just look at Dallas' history, we have always had guys that were undrafted and were much better players than those drafted. I shouldn't need to point them out for pure Dallas fans.

Now will McQuistan or Austin make it as starters and even possible All-Pros, well there is nothing to say they won't. In fact, I would bet they both stand a good chance of being open day starters in 2008 something like another guy that if the mods had the old posts from a couple of years ago are similiar to a guy that will be the opening day starter in 2007, might know him, Tony Romo.

He was much maligned before last season and especially the year before as how can an undrafted guy ever be any good starting for the Boys at QB. Guess we could have kept Quincy or Ryan, they were both drafted weren't they.

i bet you did'nt kbnow that flo has never given up 10 sacks in a season in his career. 7.5 is the most he has ever given up in a season.
as for mcq i think he looked good when he was on the field in camp last year and will get lots of playing time in camp this year to see what he has. it would be great if he is the man but right now we don't know. but by the end of camp this year i suspect we will know if he looks the part or not

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ever looked at the stats of where players are drafted that end up in the Hall of Fame?

I'll never understand the extreme loyalty to a player that would cause anyone to think we shouldn't find someone better if the chance is there. I just don't get that.

Hos I never suggested that upgrading isn't a good idea-- of course you always have to be looking at how to improve your team at all positions HOWEVER you have limited resources (# of draft picks & salary cap $$) that can be "spent" at any given time SO that means you rebuild your football team on a "budget". You can't improve all positions at once nor can you afford to spend high draft picks on current positions of strength (like QB-- *cough*) where other positions are clearly more precarious due to age or lack of productivity.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What's funny is that they will call for guys like Bradie James and Roy Williams to be replaced because they feel they have not done a good enough job.

But some guy who has not even been seen has the potential to be a star, so there is no need to even draft a player that plays his position.

I am not one of those people.

I'm a great believer in trying to get the most out of the talent you have on the roster be it a 1st round draft pick at safety or a guy that was a 7th round offensive tackle from a small school. I don't have to "hold my nose" or apologize to other fans around the NFL because we may have a lowly, 7th rounder starting at LT some day.

 

[jay cee]

Hos I never suggested that upgrading isn't a good idea-- of course you always have to be looking at how to improve your team at all positions HOWEVER you have limited resources (# of draft picks & salary cap $$) that can be "spent" at any given time SO that means you rebuild your football team on a "budget". You can't improve all positions at once nor can you afford to spend high draft picks on current positions of strength (like QB-- *cough*) where other positions are clearly more precarious due to age or lack of productivity.

But how can you say LT for example, is not precarious? You have Adams on the last year of his contract and an unproven late 2nd year late rd draft pick backing him up.

If McQuistan does not step up, they may have to overpay Adams to keep decent play at that position.

Where is the strenghth in that scenario?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

But how can you say LT for example, is not precarious? You have Adams on the last year of his contract and an unproven late 2nd year late rd draft pick backing him up.

If McQuistan does not step up, they may have to overpay Adams to keep decent play at that position.

Where is the strenghth in that scenario?

I never said I wouldn't spend a first day pick on a Barbre or a Alleman but I damn sure wouldn't blow my pick at #22 for a guy like Staley, Blaylock or Grubbs where we're not getting good value.

 

[jay cee]

I am not one of those people.

I'm a great believer in trying to get the most out of the talent you have on the roster be it a 1st round draft pick at safety or a guy that was a 7th round offensive tackle from a small school. I don't have to "hold my nose" or apologize to other fans around the NFL because we may have a lowly, 7th rounder starting at LT some day.

No one is saying that they are ashamed that the Cowboys free agent QB became a Pro Bowler, so that argument doesn't quite hold water.

IMO, it's a point of pride to be able to get great play from free agents or late round draft picks.

But that does not mean you pass on good players when those guys are still unproven.

 

[theebs]

I never said I wouldn't spend a first day pick on a Barbre or a Alleman but I damn sure wouldn't blow my pick at #22 for a guy like Staley, Blaylock or Grubbs where we're not getting good value.

I think that is smart. However I really would love to see blaylock here but he is not equivalent to the 22, but wont make it to us in the 2nd.

Guards are not usually picked high anyway.

 

[jay cee]

I never said I wouldn't spend a first day pick on a Barbre or a Alleman but I damn sure wouldn't blow my pick at #22 for a guy like Staley, Blaylock or Grubbs where we're not getting good value.

You said that you can't spend high draft picks on positions of strength. So since this thread was about WR and LT, I would think you consider those positions to be stable and strong.

That's why I wanted clarification about LT, because I don't see that as a strong position.

I don't want them to be in a position where they have to overpay Flozell Adams.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You said that you can't spend high draft picks on positions of strength. So since this thread was about WR and LT, I would think you consider those positions to be stable and strong.

That's why I wanted clarification about LT, because I don't see that as a strong position.

I don't want them to be in a position where they have to overpay Flozell Adams.

Hey, I'm not saying that OT is a position of strength... not at all, I'm just not reaching for a player and taking an offensive lineman at #22 is a reach.

 

[jay cee]

Hey, I'm not saying that OT is a position of strength... not at all, I'm just not reaching for a player and taking an offensive lineman at #22 is a reach.

Cool, I don't know if it is a reach or not. I just want them to be in a position to allow Adams to walk after next season if they feel it is necessary.

 

[fortdick]

I am with Hostile on this. McQ can be a player some day, but how do we know? He hasn;t shown anything, other than the man love Parcells had for him.

Why are people ready to bet the future on McQ being the real deal, but so many were calling for Pettiti to be replaced? Rob played 16 games as a rookie, and although it wasn;t pretty at times, he gave everything and performed better than Flo's backup.

If we start McQ in 2008, and he has a Pettiti like year, it would be a worse thing because he would be a third year player and not a rookie. Right now, I haven't seen a thing and would be happy to see us draft a left tackle early.

Don't get me wrong, I hope the kid works out. I like him. If McQ is that good, he will win the spot, if not, he is trade bait.

Right now, Pettiti > McQuistan.

 

[carphalen5150]

I think Austin and Hurd can become very good if not GREAT WR for this team. They are just raw, they need to develop.

Wow...I am all for pimping our players out, but to suggest either one of these guys could be great is a massive reach.

 

[peplaw06]

BTW: I would still go along with signing a WR like Meacham or Bowe but none of the others. I just don't like Jarrett's lack of speed, etc. If we must draft a WR, I want a player who clearly shows he can become our #1 WR cause Cowboys have already ticketed Austin with his size/speed/hands to replace Terry Glenn.

I don't see how Meachem and Bowe have "clearly shown they can be our #1" while Jarrett has not. Speed alone does not make a #1 guy. Even if Jarrett is just a possession WR like Keyshawn (and I don't think he is, he's a threat down the field), Key was a good #1 for a few years, while Glenn was #2. If you say we already have a replacement for Glenn in Austin, Jarrett could also be a good fit.

I'd be fine with either Meachem or Jarrett, but Bowe concerns me for some reason.

 

[Hostile]

What's funny is that they will call for guys like Bradie James and Roy Williams to be replaced because they feel they have not done a good enough job.

But some guy who has not even been seen has the potential to be a star, so there is no need to even draft a player that plays his position.

Couldn't agree more jay cee. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Only when you get over there it doesn't look as green.

 

[carphalen5150]

I don't see how Meachem and Bowe have "clearly shown they can be our #1" while Jarrett has not. Speed alone does not make a #1 guy. Even if Jarrett is just a possession WR like Keyshawn (and I don't think he is, he's a threat down the field), Key was a good #1 for a few years, while Glenn was #2. If you say we already have a replacement for Glenn in Austin, Jarrett could also be a good fit.

I'd be fine with either Meachem or Jarrett, but Bowe concerns me for some reason.

Austin is going to replace Glenn? I am not ready to say he can be a #1 or #2 in the NFL.

 

[Hostile]

Hos I never suggested that upgrading isn't a good idea-- of course you always have to be looking at how to improve your team at all positions HOWEVER you have limited resources (# of draft picks & salary cap $$) that can be "spent" at any given time SO that means you rebuild your football team on a "budget". You can't improve all positions at once nor can you afford to spend high draft picks on current positions of strength (like QB-- *cough*) where other positions are clearly more precarious due to age or lack of productivity.

I know you're not suggesting that MW, but you aren't exactly looking at the whole picture either with that 23%.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Wow...I am all for pimping our players out, but to suggest either one of these guys could be great is a massive reach.

Why is it a reach?? Both are big, both are fast and both can catch. What does it take to be a very good or great WR? Does one have to come from a big program? That seems to be the general thought in this regard. If a player doesn't play for a big program or isn't drafted High, then their skill level can not be that good or on par with others that did. I think that is crazy. I think they both have the physical tools to be very successful. The question is, how will the use them. Which is basically the same question of everyone that is drafted. It doesn't matter if you take Ginn, Bowe or any other WR this year, the draftee will determine his future and being a high draft pick doesn't guarantee anything other than a roster spot for at least a year or two.

 

[peplaw06]

Austin is going to replace Glenn? I am not ready to say he can be a #1 or #2 in the NFL.

Oh I wasn't even commenting on that reach. I wasn't arguing that at all.

 

[superpunk]

Oh I wasn't even commenting on that reach. I wasn't arguing that at all.

Zone rule #308 - When referencing a long-shot prospect with regards to a proven veteran, you must maintain a 150-char distance between the two names, lest you be accused of unreasonably comparing the two, and being forced to defend the comparison you didn't make for the next three hours.

 

[Hostile]

Why is it a reach?? Both are big, both are fast and both can catch. What does it take to be a very good or great WR? Does one have to come from a big program? That seems to be the general thought in this regard. If a player doesn't play for a big program or isn't drafted High, then their skill level can not be that good or on par with others that did. I think that is crazy. I think they both have the physical tools to be very successful. The question is, how will the use them. Which is basically the same question of everyone that is drafted. It doesn't matter if you take Ginn, Bowe or any other WR this year, the draftee will determine his future and being a high draft pick doesn't guarantee anything other than a roster spot for at least a year or two.

Randall Williams, 6'3", 235 pounds, bullet fast. Undrafted FA out of New Hampshire. Every year in TC he caught everything thrown at him.

In 2 years with the Cowboys he played in 17 games and had 1 catch. His only contribution of note, the onside kickoff return against the Eagles.

In 2 years with the Raiders he has done a little better. 41 receptions. No TDs though.

Size and speed don't matter all that much.