Why Do Some Draft Picks Pan Out and Others Panhandle?

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It is a question that has plagued Draft gurus for decades. There simply is no perfect formula. Teams and scouts get enamored with measurables and potential when they see these kids work out. Sometimes that bears fruit. Sometimes it's a fruitless endeavor.

Let's look at 2005 for one minute. 18 DTs were selected in that Draft by 15 different teams. A 19th DT was also selected in the Supplemental Draft by the Dolphins.

How did a DE out of Auburn move to DT for the Cowboys and out perform all of those guys? Jay Ratliff is a late round gem. How does a guy like him slip to round 7 and then change positions and become a true destructive force in the NFL?

223 players went ahead of Jay Ratliff. There is no way even 1/10th of those players are better football players than he is. So how does it happen?

How does a guy labeled as can't miss, like Ryan Leaf, end up being one of the biggest misses of all time, and a Tony Romo, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Bart Starr, or Johnny Unitas come from nowhere to become a star? Why didn't the scouts know Leaf was going to flop and Unitas was going to become a legend?

I wish I had the answers. I would be the world's richest football fan. No one knows the answer to that dilemma.

Every football expert in the country had Darrell Russell of USC being the top Defensive football player in the 1997 Draft and he was an absolute can't miss guy on character. Yet his NFL career was littered with brushes with the law, questionable character decisions, and up until his untimely death he was pretty much recognized as a huge flop.

How does a Jay Ratliff end up being a better football player than a guy like that with all that potential?

How does a Cornell Green never play a down of college football and end up being a 5 time Pro Bowl DB and a 3 time All Pro DB at 2 different positions?

How does every Draft service in the world have a Blair Thomas as the best back in the Draft and he not even come close to standing in Emmitt Smith's shadow? How does a 5'7" Warrick Dunn amass 10,000+ yards rushing in the NFL and a physical specimen like Antowain Smith barely even make a dent?

There is simply no way to measure heart. If a guy has it, you usually end up revering that player. Some players get the fat contract and go through the motions after that. They never live up to those measurables and all that potential. Injuries derail a lot of promising careers. Some simply make horrible choices or end up on bad teams only to revive their careers a little bit somewhere else. But it is beyond rare for a guy to flop somewhere where he was Drafted and then become a star somewhere else.

When someone finally figures out how to hit on 100% of their Draft choices every single time, the NFL will become a one team show and rather boring. Roll the dice, take your chances.

We always have hindsight for entertainment. "We should have taken _________ instead of __________." Hindsight is 20/20 vision every time. Where were these wonderful insights before the Draft? Why aren't they scouting in the NFL? To steal a line from Tootsie Pops, "the world may never know."
 

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Hostile;3136751 said:
It is a question that has plagued Draft gurus for decades. There simply is no perfect formula. Teams and scouts get enamored with measurables and potential when they see these kids work out. Sometimes that bears fruit. Sometimes it's a fruitless endeavor.

Let's look at 2005 for one minute. 18 DTs were selected in that Draft by 15 different teams. A 19th DT was also selected in the Supplemental Draft by the Dolphins.

How did a DE out of Auburn move to DT for the Cowboys and out perform all of those guys? Jay Ratliff is a late round gem. How does a guy like him slip to round 7 and then change positions and become a true destructive force in the NFL?

223 players went ahead of Jay Ratliff. There is no way even 1/10th of those players are better football players than he is. So how does it happen?

How does a guy labeled as can't miss, like Ryan Leaf, end up being one of the biggest misses of all time, and a Tony Romo, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Bart Starr, or Johnny Unitas come from nowhere to become a star? Why didn't the scouts know Leaf was going to flop and Unitas was going to become a legend?

I wish I had the answers. I would be the world's richest football fan. No one knows the answer to that dilemma.

Every football expert in the country had Russell Maryland of USC being the top Defensive football player in the 1997 Draft and he was an absolute can't miss guy on character. Yet his NFL career was littered with brushes with the law, questionable character decisions, and up until his untimely death he was pretty much recognized as a huge flop.

How does a Jay Ratliff end up being a better football player than a guy like that with all that potential?

How does a Cornell Green never play a down of college football and end up being a 5 time Pro Bowl DB and a 3 time All Pro DB at 2 different positions?

How does every Draft service in the world have a Blair Thomas as the best back in the Draft and he not even come close to standing in Emmitt Smith's shadow? How does a 5'7" Warrick Dunn amass 10,000+ yards rushing in the NFL and a physical specimen like Antowain Smith barely even make a dent?

There is simply no way to measure heart. If a guy has it, you usually end up revering that player. Some players get the fat contract and go through the motions after that. They never live up to those measurables and all that potential. Injuries derail a lot of promising careers. Some simply make horrible choices or end up on bad teams only to revive their careers a little bit somewhere else. But it is beyond rare for a guy to flop somewhere where he was Drafted and then become a star somewhere else.

When someone finally figures out how to hit on 100% of their Draft choices every single time, the NFL will become a one team show and rather boring. Roll the dice, take your chances.

We always have hindsight for entertainment. "We should have taken _________ instead of __________." Hindsight is 20/20 vision every time. Where were these wonderful insights before the Draft? Why aren't they scouting in the NFL? To steal a line from Tootsie Pops, "the world may never know."

Russell Maryland came out of the U (Miami) and was with the Cowboys and never had a run in with the law as far as I know.
 

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Zaxor;3136756 said:
Russell Maryland came out of the U (Miami) and was with the Cowboys and never had a run in with the law as far as I know.
He meant Darrell Russell,and Darrell Green,I guess.
 

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Artie Lange;3136759 said:
He meant Darrell Russell

Ah thank you my friend I had forgotten totally about him or I might have come up with that myself
 

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Zaxor;3136756 said:
Russell Maryland came out of the U (Miami) and was with the Cowboys and never had a run in with the law as far as I know.

Artie Lange;3136759 said:
He meant Darrell Russell
I did, thank you. I was in Cowboys mode and simply typed in the familiar over the guy I was trying to make a point about.
 

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I think there are too many variables to accurately predict the transition from the college to professional ranks.Here are a few of those variables.

1) Inaccurate scouting reports.

2) Inaccurate projection of player in pro system.

3) Inaccurate psych evaluation.

4) Premature injury to player.

These are just a few possibilities,to be realistic the list could be infinite depending on the player and the team that drafted him.

Craig
 

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I think you answered the Ratliff question yourself. He was scouted as a DE and was a project at NT...a project that worked out very well.
 

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Jimmy Smith was a preseason HOFer for Dallas, but stunk it up in the regular season for a few years. He goes to Jax and becomes basically a HOF type WR.

Cedric Benson was a huge bust for Chicago...now he has his head on straight and is showing his value in Cincy.

These are two examples that I know of. I know it is rare, but at least I have seen a few in my lifetime.
 

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Other than "heart" (or, as I would call it, "desire" or "drive"), physical development is also something that is very difficult to guage. When you're looking at 19 and 20 year old college players, you're not getting a full sense of what they'll be like when they're 27 or 28 years old. Also, even if a player has the drive to be a good player in college, while you're scouting him, you can't possibly know if that drive will continue 2-3 years from then after he's been in the NFL for several years.
 

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Zaxor;3136756 said:
Russell Maryland came out of the U (Miami) and was with the Cowboys and never had a run in with the law as far as I know.

And if Russell Maryland is dead that the first Ive heard of it.
 

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How does a guy labeled as can't miss, like Ryan Leaf, end up being one of the biggest misses of all time,

Who labeled Leaf cant miss? Heard alot of stories about what a jerk he was at Wazzou. Lotta scouts enamored with his arm, not his head. The second game of his career in that rain storm, beat down in KC was his defining moment. He never got on track after that.
 

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There's also this: development. Teams like the Colts always play 5th-7th rounds and everyone is amazed that they still perform. I think that has a lot to do with how these players are developed within a system after they get drafted as any innate abilities.
 

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DFWJC;3136771 said:
I think you answered the Ratliff question yourself. He was scouted as a DE and was a project at NT...a project that worked out very well.
No, Rat can play in any D at any possition and be an all pro imo, but the scouting was flat out wrong for precisely the reason Hos mentioned, HEART.
 

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Biggems;3136772 said:
Jimmy Smith was a preseason HOFer for Dallas, but stunk it up in the regular season for a few years. He goes to Jax and becomes basically a HOF type WR.

Cedric Benson was a huge bust for Chicago...now he has his head on straight and is showing his value in Cincy.

These are two examples that I know of. I know it is rare, but at least I have seen a few in my lifetime.

Dude, Jimmy Smith didnt "stink it up in the regular season" here. He hardly played in any games because he broke his leg in his first training camp (1992) and the following yr was the appendectomy.

I was at training camp in 1992, and he was the talk of camp. Had he not broken his leg there was a very strong possibility he was going to beat out Alvin Harper.

And most dont remember, but Smith was actually cut here and then signed by Philly, then cut by them. To this day he says being cut twice probably turned his career around.
 

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RS12;3136821 said:
Who labeled Leaf cant miss? Heard alot of stories about what a jerk he was at Wazzou. Lotta scouts enamored with his arm, not his head. The second game of his career in that rain storm, beat down in KC was his defining moment. He never got on track after that.

Selective memory. There were plenty of people (I'd say about 20-30%) in the NFL who thought he'd be better than Peyton Manning.
 

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Temo;3136825 said:
Selective memory. There were plenty of people (I'd say about 20-30%) in the NFL who thought he'd be better than Peyton Manning.

He was regarded as a better pure talent than Manning.

I still think had it not been for the degenerative wrist condition he might have turned it around after bombing in San Diego.
 

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In my opinion, the reason why quarterbacks in late rounds are successful is because they didn't have the physical tools to dominate at their position in college. It's why a lot of the guys with a "big arm" that can "make all of the throws" and "throw the deep ball" end up busting out -- they got by on their athleticism in college. In the NFL it's all about making that throw between the linebackers and DBs, and being able to read a defense and be accurate.

It's why guys like Romo, and Brady are successful, and guys like Jamarcus Russell are busts, in my opinion. You take a guy that has to be successful by studying the game and working on the mechanics over and over, and you GIVE him the physical tools and what do you get?

Brady at the combine...

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turns into Brady today

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