Why do we pretend? (Wade)

[T-RO]

First of all let me say that none of what I'm about to mention is a criticism of Coach Phillips, nor is it an implied argument that he should lose his job... (I think he should keep it.)

Indeed, my question is centrally about the true nature of the job Mr. Phillips currently has with the Cowboys.

I guess I have a thing about being....honest....authentic. So on to my question...



Why do we pretend that Wade is the head coach of the Cowboys?

Does anyone honestly think Wade has any tangible say regarding the personnel, philosophy or play calling of the offense?

Doesn't DeCamillis have full reign of special teams?

Does Wade's voice have any pull when it comes to personnel decisions outside of his defense?

Is Phillips the team disciplinarian? Emotional leader? Fulcrum?

Is he the ultimate guy who determines game-day rosters?

Functionally, how is Wade anything more than an [edit] defensive coordinator?

 

[urface59]

Functionally, how is Wade anything more than an offensive coordinator?

In a lot of ways actually...

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Allow me to address your questions with a question of my own: How do you think Wade's job differs from that of the majority of coaches around the league?

 

[bbgun]

Functionally, how is Wade anything more than an offensive coordinator?

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[T-RO]

In a lot of ways actually...

Please elaborate...

 

[TheCount]

Please elaborate...

Well for one, he's not an offensive coordinator.

 

[T-RO]

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Good catch. I corrected it.

 

[T-RO]

Allow me to address your questions with a question of my own: How do you think Wade's job differs from that of the majority of coaches around the league?

I'm sure there is some variance from team to team, and yes, recent years have brought greater specialization.

but...

1. I think most head coaches have at least 75% say on final rosters and game-day rosters.

2. I think most head coaches can (and do) override their other coaches to make personnel changes.

3. I think most head coaches are the central team disciplinarian.


That's a start, while I think about it some more...

 

[zrinkill]

 

[NextGenBoys]

If you think for a second that he does not have partial control of this team you are wrong.

Just because he never speaks about himself and always mentions the other coaches does not mean Wade doesn't have his hands on this team.

 

[T-RO]

I knew at least oone moron would lack the ability to engage in an honest discussion of the topic w/out this mindless crap.

 

[CowboyMike]

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bbgun, I would love to peer into your gif and thread bomb library. It must be epic.

 

[Hostile]

First of all let me say that none of what I'm about to mention is a criticism of Coach Phillips, nor is it an implied argument that he should lose his job... (I think he should keep it.)

Indeed, my question is centrally about the true nature of the job Mr. Phillips currently has with the Cowboys.

I guess I have a thing about being....honest....authentic. So on to my question...

You mean these questions were honest?

Damn, that sucks.

Why do we pretend that Wade is the head coach of the Cowboys?

Do you have some tangible proof that he isn't?

Does anyone honestly think Wade has any tangible say regarding the personnel, philosophy or play calling of the offense?

Absolutely do think he does. Can you prove he doesn't or will you just flap your gums and spew some more screed?

Doesn't DeCamillis have full reign of special teams?

No. Chris Boniol has a lot of input on Kicking.

Does Wade's voice have any pull when it comes to personnel decisions outside of his defense?

Yes, he does. I would say I'm curious why you think he doesn't, but that would be a lie. I'm not at all curious.

Is Phillips the team disciplinarian?

He is according to Keith Brooking. I'm going to believe him over you.

Emotional leader?

We don't want that from a Head Coach anyway, so not sure why the hell it matters.

Fulcrum?

Why would a Head Coach need to be a pivot point? That's just silly.

Is he the ultimate guy who determines game-day rosters?

Yes. I'm not going to pretend I am curious any more. I am amused though.

Functionally, how is Wade anything more than an [edit] defensive coordinator?

First, before I explain that to you, what is your definition of a functional Head Coach? I may need a giggle.

 

[T-RO]

If you think for a second that he does not have partial control of this team you are wrong.

Just because he never speaks about himself and always mentions the other coaches does not mean Wade doesn't have his hands on this team.

OK...so what does partial control mean?

Do you think behind closed doors he's deciding whether Columbo plays or doesn't? Whether the team will try a flea-flicker to open the game? On the type of team discipline the Cowboys use when Bennett gets out of line?

Would he have the authority to do what Shanahan has done with a mega star player, Haynesworth? ...Not that he would have done it...would he have had the authority to do it?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I'm sure there is some variance from team to team, and yes, recent years have brought greater specialization.

but...

1. I think most head coaches have at least 75% say on final rosters and game-day rosters.

2. I think most head coaches can (and do) override their other coaches to make personnel changes.

3. I think most head coaches are the central team disciplinarian.


That's a start, while I think about it some more...

What compels you to believe that Wade does not hold the powers you've enumerated? Is it a hunch or an observation or a source?

 

[CowboyMike]

OK...so what does partial control mean?

Do you think behind closed doors he's deciding whether Columbo plays or doesn't?

Columbo? No. Colombo? Yes.

Whether the team will try a flea-flicker to open the game?

Probably not, but..

1. Garrett probably has to pass it by him first anyway. In fact I believe Wade does have input during the game in regards to "Run here, pass there", "chew the clock" or "Go for it on 4th" kind of stuff.

and 2. Why would anyone try a flea-flicker to open the game?

On the type of team discipline the Cowboys use when Bennett gets out of line?

Yes. The head coach is the only person in the organization that hands out fines and discipline measures.

Would he have the authority to do what Shanahan has done with a mega star player, Haynesworth? ...Not that he would have done it...would he have had the authority to do it?

Yes. He's just never had the need to do it because we have not had ****** bags on this team that act up like Haynesworth.

 

[T-RO]

Columbo? No. Colombo? Yes.

Probably not, but..

1. Garrett probably has to pass it by him first anyway. In fact I believe Wade does have input during the game in regards to "Run here, pass there", "chew the clock" or "Go for it on 4th" kind of stuff.

OK. Maybe you are right. I'm not privvy to it. I'm merely conveying my *sense* of it, for whatever it's worth. (snide comments sure to come here)

Yes. The head coach is the only person in the organization that hands out fines and discipline measures.

Source on that? Or hunch?

Yes. He's just never had the need to do it because we have not had ****** bags on this team that act up like Haynesworth.

Forgotten TO already, huh?

 

[T-RO]

What compels you to believe that Wade does not hold the powers you've enumerated? Is it a hunch or an observation or a source?

There are several things...

1. The time Romo pulled a rebellion one time and went for it on 4th down going over Wade's command. That's usually something that players pull if they've already seen it happen a lot.

2. In press conferences Wade often speaks with a tentativeness..."I better check with the boss on that." And this often occurs in matters where the head coach would have complete authority.

3. I don't ever see Wade and Garrett talking on the side line...something you see with other teams.

 

[CowboyMike]

OK. Maybe you are right. I'm not privvy to it. I'm merely conveying my *sense* of it, for whatever it's worth. (snide comments sure to come here)



Source on that? Or hunch?

Source. It's too late for me to hunt down the actual articles, but last year when everyone was criticizing Wade for being light on his fines, he stated that he was changing the penalties for the players to league maximum. It was made clear that it was by his discretion, and when Jerry was asked about it, he deflected it, saying it was Wade's area of expertise.

Forgotten TO already, huh?

I did consider TO. However, TO was--putting other misgivings aside--a very hard practicing football player. He gave his 100% on the field. He was not a lazy *** like Haynesworth.

Wade has never had to have a player take and retake a conditioning test. He has always made sure his players report at or under their required weight and condition. He's also pretty much always had 100% attendance at the offseason programs, save when Barber, Hamlin, and Austin were away pending their contracts. He's always tried to prevent problems by doing things right, avoiding the need to pull a Shanahan on Haynesworth later.

However, if you want to use TO, Pacman, or Tank as examples, then we will. He had a very good solution to those problems.

He got rid of them.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

There are several things...

1. The time Romo pulled a rebellion one time and went for it on 4th down going over Wade's command. That's usually something that players pull if they've already seen it happen a lot.

To my knowledge, this has only happened once, and we don't know the exact situation along the sideline. Manning has pulled this sort of "rebellion" with every coach he's ever had.

2. In press conferences Wade often speaks with a tentativeness..."I better check with the boss on that." And this often occurs in matters where the head coach would have complete authority.

I suppose I'd have to watch the specific exchanges to which you're referring.

3. I don't ever see Wade and Garrett talking on the side line...something you see with other teams.

Is if possible they're communicating via headset?