Why do we pretend? (Wade)

[T-RO]

I will say this...that I've been pleased that some internal player leadership seems to have emerged. I think some things are getting handled better in the locker room with more prudent heads than in recent years.

Ratliff, Witten, James, Brooking.

I give Jerry credit for getting rid of the bad seeds that undermined that in the past.

 

[CowboyMike]

There are several things...

1. The time Romo pulled a rebellion one time and went for it on 4th down going over Wade's command. That's usually something that players pull if they've already seen it happen a lot.

2. In press conferences Wade often speaks with a tentativeness..."I better check with the boss on that." And this often occurs in matters where the head coach would have complete authority.

3. I don't ever see Wade and Garrett talking on the side line...something you see with other teams.

1. Peyton Manning pulls that all the time, on both Dungy and Caldwell, as do many other quarterbacks around the league. I've seen Brady do it on Belichek. It happens more often than you think. It's part of the game. It's the quarterback being your general on the field.

2. I'm not sure about this one. I think perhaps Wade does defer to Jerry on certain things, but no more than a normal coach would do to his GM. There are certain areas of expertise that are handled by the GM that a head coach does not have to do with, like contract negotiations or hold outs. Plus, a lot of the time, Wade jokes around about it and does it in a tongue in cheek way. It's just his personality.

3. I see them talk all the time. I don't know what games you're watching. In addition, Wade and Romo are often talking with eachother while Garrett confers with other players. In fact, Romo often goes to Wade first when he comes off the sideline, then Garrett. Also, take into the account that Wade does have his defensive duties to tend to while the offense has the ball, like preparing for the next drive and studying the opposing team's tendencies.

 

[CowboyMike]

I will say this...that I've been pleased that some internal player leadership seems to have emerged. I think some things are getting handled better in the locker room with more prudent heads than in recent years.

Ratliff, Witten, James, Brooking.

I give Jerry credit for getting rid of the bad seeds that undermined that in the past.

Why do you give Jerry credit and not Wade? Jerry was the one that brought them onto the team in the first place. Do you not think Wade had an influence on Jerry getting rid of them? Have you stopped to consider that possibility?

 

[T-RO]

Source. It's too late for me to hunt down the actual articles, but last year when everyone was criticizing Wade for being light on his fines, he stated that he was changing the penalties for the players to league maximum. It was made clear that it was by his discretion, and when Jerry was asked about it, he deflected it, saying it was Wade's area of expertise.

Color my skeptical....not at all about your word...but about how games are played at Valley Ranch.

Wade has never had to have a player take and retake a conditioning test. He has always made sure his players report at or under their required weight and condition. He's also pretty much always had 100% attendance at the offseason programs, save when Barber, Hamlin, and Austin were away pending their contracts.

That's maybe the best point of the thread so far. Very strong point. The FO/coaching staff must get some credit in that dept.

However, if you want to use TO, Pacman, or Tank as examples, then we will. He had a very good solution to those problems. He got rid of them.

I don't know too many people who attribute their departure to anyone but Jerry.

 

[CowboyMike]

Color my skeptical....not at all about your word...but about how games are played at Valley Ranch.





That's maybe the best point of the thread so far. Very strong point. The FO/coaching staff must get some credit in that dept.





I don't know too many people who attribute their departure to anyone but Jerry.

Jerry actually was very hesitant to get rid of them. Many attribute TO's dismissal to Stephen insisting on it, which undoubtedly stemmed from the coach's preferences.

 

[T-RO]

Why do you give Jerry credit and not Wade? Jerry was the one that brought them onto the team in the first place. Do you not think Wade had an influence on Jerry getting rid of them? Have you stopped to consider that possibility?

Honestly, no I haven't weighed that much in the past. Maybe worthwhile to consider.

Notice however, that TO was never peeved at Wade, nor mentioned him. He essentially called Jerry the Judas. I think it was a Jerry/Stephen decision.

 

[CowboyMike]

Honestly, no I haven't weighed that much in the past. Maybe worthwhile to consider.

Notice however, that TO was never peeved at Wade, nor mentioned him. He essentially called Jerry the Judas. I think it was a Jerry/Stephen decision.

Jerry has been adamant in the media in regarding Wade's authority. He insists that he has used the same contract with every coach he has ever had. They all had the same authority, from Jimmy to Switz to Parcells to Wade, they all had the same authority in their contracts.

 

[T-RO]

1. Peyton Manning pulls that all the time, on both Dungy and Caldwell, as do many other quarterbacks around the league. I've seen Brady do it on Belichek. It happens more often than you think. It's part of the game. It's the quarterback being your general on the field.

I've seen quarterbacks lobby hard...But I've never before seen a QB flat rebel in the face of his head coach.

3. I see them talk all the time. I don't know what games you're watching. In addition, Wade and Romo are often talking with eachother while Garrett confers with other players. In fact, Romo often goes to Wade first when he comes off the sideline, then Garrett. Also, take into the account that Wade does have his defensive duties to tend to while the offense has the ball, like preparing for the next drive and studying the opposing team's tendencies.

Wade is usually the closest to the field. And most often it appears that Wade might ask Tony a question. I can't recall Wade ever getting in Romo's grill or taking charge.

 

[T-RO]

Jerry has been adamant in the media in regarding Wade's authority. He insists that he has used the same contract with every coach he has ever had. They all had the same authority, from Jimmy to Switz to Parcells to Wade, they all had the same authority in their contracts.

CowboyMike do you honestly believe most of the stuff Jerry says?

This was a guy who told us that Pacman's body guard was the one at fault. Jerry usually tells the truth when it's convenient...

 

[Hostile]

Would someone, make that anyone, point out to me where in 29 years on the sidelines Tom Landry ever "got in someone's grill?"

Thanks.

 

[CowboyMike]

I've seen quarterbacks lobby hard...But I've never before seen a QB flat rebel in the face of his head coach.





Wade is usually the closest to the field. And most often it appears that Wade might ask Tony a question. I can't recall Wade ever getting in Romo's grill or taking charge.

Trust me, Peyton has done it on multiple occasions. Believe me or don't. Someone else said the same thing in this thread. It happens all the time.

Does Wade ever get in any player's grill? No, it's not his style. In fact, has Garrett ever "gotten in Romo's grill"? Nope. Probably because it's Romo, and he never needs his "grill" to be "gotten into".

And yes, I believe Jerry. If he had said that and it not be true, I imagine there would have been reports that would have contradicted it, or Jimmy would have said something. In fact, I think Jimmy even confirmed Jerry's statement about the contract thing.

It appears your mind is not going to be changed no matter what is said, so I'm going to call it a night.

 

[Idgit]

Thread = bad.

 

[RoboQB]

T-RO, there are 32 NFL teams. None have played a meaningful game as of yet in 2010. You still have time to pick another team to follow. Feel free to do so at this time.

 

[T-RO]

T-RO, there are 32 NFL teams. None have played a meaningful game as of yet in 2010. You still have time to pick another team to follow. Feel free to do so at this time.

Anybody who has been married...or single...can speak of BOTH the joys and torments of either state.

Some fans express themselves by ignoring or denying any criticism of their team. They focus almost exclusively on the happy or hopeful things.

About 50% of fans, however, are at times frustrated and utilize their freedom to express those frustrations.

I can't help how I feel. I was so hopeful 5 weeks ago, but I'll confess I'm not in good football spirits right now.

I think Jones has improved as a GM over the past ten years, but I sure wish he'd hand off his duties to a dedicated football guru.

 

[DallasInDC]

I've seen quarterbacks lobby hard...But I've never before seen a QB flat rebel in the face of his head coach.

Brett Farvre did it last year.

 

[T-RO]

Brett Farvre did it last year.

OK you are right. But we know the relationship between Favre and Childress is borderline civil war.

If that's the comparison it's not a healthy one.

Favre did what he did perhaps as much out of DISrespect. In Tony's case I think it was more just a lack of respect.

Competitive quarterbacks disagreeing with their coaches in that situation is commonplace. Choosing to go over their heads isn't...

And consider: Tony is not your fiercely strong-willed rebellious type.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Competitive quarterbacks disagreeing with their coaches in that situation is commonplace. Choosing to go over their heads isn't...

And consider: Tony is not your fiercely strong-willed rebellious type.

Danny White, against Tom Landry.


"No, Danny, noooooo!!!!"

 

[DallasInDC]

OK you are right.

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But we know the relationship between Favre and Childress is borderline civil war.

If that's the comparison it's not a healthy one.

Favre did what he did perhaps as much out of DISrespect. In Tony's case I think it was more just a lack of respect.

Competitive quarterbacks disagreeing with their coaches in that situation is commonplace. Choosing to go over their heads isn't...

And consider: Tony is not your fiercely strong-willed rebellious type.

You stated in the post that I responded to that you never saw QB flat out rebel like Tony did. That is exactly what Farvre did last year. In both instances, the QB made decisions in the heat of the battle that they thought would help win the game and if I recall, they both won the game.

As was mentioned in previous posts, there are other examples of this happening and I am willing to bet it happens a lot more than we as fans are aware of.

 

[T-RO]

Here's the difference I guess in what Romo did relative to White...

It was open defiance in front of the whole world.

Danny probably thought he could be cute...and pull an inside job. Nobody outside the team would ever know.

In contrast Romo was basically ordering the punting team back off the field. He really showed Wade up.

 

[CowboyMike]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-12-28-week16-replay_x.htm

"Manning waves off punt team, then hello to mark

USA TODAY pro football writer Jarrett Bell serves up his impressions after Week 16:

Any snapshot that defines Peyton Manning's career will include the Indianapolis Colt flapping his arms, pointing fingers or directing traffic in what he calls getting busy at the line of scrimmage.

In the crunchtime sequence Sunday that led to the NFL's season record for touchdown passes, Manning provided a twist: waving off the punt team.

Faced with a fourth-and-4 after an improbable flip to Edgerrin James for an 11-yard completion, the Colts had all of their timeouts and the two-minute warning to work with when the punt team headed onto the field.

But the Colts and Manning defied conventional wisdom despite being positioned at the Indianapolis 26. Colts coach Tony Dungy said the mix-up occurred because he instructed the special-teams coach to be prepared to punt if the third-down pass was incomplete.

When asked for an explanation, a respectful and usually smooth Manning seemed embarrassed: "What did Coach Dungy say?"

Manning and Reggie Wayne connected for 19 yards. Then Manning orchestrated the 21-yard pass to Brandon Stokley, calling for an improvised corner-post route.

No player has as much freedom to take a game into his own hands. Maybe that's why he mentioned how Colts icon Johnny Unitas, who called his own plays a few generations ago, would've been proud.

"Right before the first series for 16 weeks, Tom Moore has told me, 'If you see something, go with it,' " Manning said of his offensive coordinator. "I appreciate him giving me that trust. That's how we've grown a lot. He'll call a running play for two plays, but if I've seen the safeties coming down, I just change it. ... Marvin (Harrison), Reggie and Brandon are good at telling me, 'I'll kill this guy with a slant.' So it's nice to have that flexibility.""


Now, I'm going to bed.