Why exactly did Derrick Rose win the NBA MVP this year?

[The30YardSlant]

The award sometimes goes to the best stories.

Kidd almost won it in his first year w/ the Nets then his next year he was way better statistically and wasnt close.

Nash getting a bunch in a row was suspicious as well

I dont get how they got MVP, COY and split Exec of the year. Which is it? Their execs traded Hinrich for nothing, signed Korver and Carlos Boozer to big deals.

Dwight would have been the lowest seed to win it in a long time but he might have got my vote. If you were picking players off that team who would you really want? Bass and Ryan Anderson

The difference between Rose and nash is obvious. Nash led the league in assists both years by a mile, shot a ridiculous FG and 3 point % and accounted via score or assist for something like 65% of his team's points ever night

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

The difference between Rose and nash is obvious. Nash led the league in assists both years by a mile, shot a ridiculous FG and 3 point % and accounted via score or assist for something like 65% of his team's points ever night

Eh. Their pace was crazy. 7 seconds or less and no defense.

I like Nash and think hes still top 5 at his position(Think the Celtics should have traded Rondo for him 2 years ago. They would have won it all last year) but he was the medias darling and I dont see him as a 2-time MVP player historically.

I believe I had Shaq winning it over him one year and I forget who could have gotten it the other year. Kobe maybe.

Of their awards I think Thibs earned COY more then the others. Their D is amazing.

I also forget to mention they drafted Asik this year so that does give more credence to their execs. That guy plays awesome team defense and is a year away from getting a full MLE from Cuban

 

[rash]

Uh, the MVP is a regular season award and I used regular season stats to support my post. Nothing he does at any point in these playoffs effects the MVP race.

yeah i see your point; but the fact that this thread was brought up after a bulls loss helped me draw that conclusion.

maybe i'm wrong...but thats what i thought and i felt like sharing.



on a side note: whoever mentioned Skip Bayless really just had me for a good 60 seconds

 

[peplaw06]

No I didnt. I listed three outcomes of his one dimensional game (which is driving to the basket).

:laugh2:

You're being ridiculous. That's what point guards do. They try to create opportunities for themselves and their teammates. The penetrating point guard is probably the hardest thing in the game to defend.

A shot is a dimension of the game, a pass/assist is a dimension of the game, and getting to the line is a dimension of the game.

And you could have leveled that kind of criticism at Rose his first two years, when he made 16 three-pointers in each of those seasons, shooting 22% and 27%. But this year he made 128 threes... an 800% increase, Shooting 33%.

Sorry, he's not one-dimensional.

 

[Temo]

Quick Answer: His play in the clutch all season has been fantastic, he makes crazy athletic plays that almost no one else is even able to make, and he unfairly got credit for the Bulls being the best defensive team in the league (when he's probably their worst defensive starter).

 

[YosemiteSam]

:laugh2:

You're being ridiculous. That's what point guards do. They try to create opportunities for themselves and their teammates. The penetrating point guard is probably the hardest thing in the game to defend.

A shot is a dimension of the game, a pass/assist is a dimension of the game, and getting to the line is a dimension of the game.

And you could have leveled that kind of criticism at Rose his first two years, when he made 16 three-pointers in each of those seasons, shooting 22% and 27%. But this year he made 128 threes... an 800% increase, Shooting 33%.

Sorry, he's not one-dimensional.

He is three-dimensional.

 

[rash]

Quick Answer: His play in the clutch all season has been fantastic, he makes crazy athletic plays that almost no one else is even able to make, and he unfairly got credit for the Bulls being the best defensive team in the league (when he's probably their worst defensive starter).

I think worst goes to Korver. Rose's defenses isn't elite, but he can certainly stick with whoever hes guarding and do a better job than they will do on him.

 

[Vintage]

I think worst goes to Korver. Rose's defenses isn't elite, but he can certainly stick with whoever hes guarding and do a better job than they will do on him.

Korver doesn't start.


And Boozer is by far the worst defensive starter on the team.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

It was media hype, plain and simple. He had a good year, but not an MVP year. He plays for Chicago, and that helps. But yeah, basically, he was the best OFFENSIVE player on the team that finished with the NBA's best record. The funny thing is, Chicago won because of its defense. And if you look at the numbers, Rose was arguably Chicago's worst defensive player. They actually play better on defense when he's on the bench. It'd be like giving MVP to Jamal Lewis the year that the Ravens won the Super Bowl or giving the MVP to Walter Payton the year the Bears won the Super Bowl--- best offensive players on teams that won because of their defense.

 

[mldardy]

It was media hype, plain and simple. He had a good year, but not an MVP year. He plays for Chicago, and that helps. But yeah, basically, he was the best OFFENSIVE player on the team that finished with the NBA's best record. The funny thing is, Chicago won because of its defense. And if you look at the numbers, Rose was arguably Chicago's worst defensive player. They actually play better on defense when he's on the bench. It'd be like giving MVP to Jamal Lewis the year that the Ravens won the Super Bowl or giving the MVP to Walter Payton the year the Bears won the Super Bowl--- best offensive players on teams that won because of their defense.

I don't get this at all, media hype? Did you look at what kind of year he had this season. And tell us who should have won if Rose shouldn't. You spent way too much with lame reasons why he shouldn't have won(Jamal Lewis) instead of who deserved it over Rose. Generally the MVP in the NBA goes to the best player on one of the top 2-3 teams in the league. The last time a player from a team that didn't finish with a top 3 record in the NBA was Michael Jordan in 87-88. Unless you have some ungodly year like MJ did that year you aren't going to win on a team that didn't have a top 3 record in the league. The top 3 teams this season were: Chicago, San Antonio and Miami. The only player besides Rose on those 3 teams that is an MVP candidate was Lebron and he wasn't winning it because he had already won the previous two years and had better numbers and on better teams(record wise) those previous two years. Rose deserved it I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

OKC would not make the playoffs without Durant.

Couldn't agree more.

That's my team (Being that I'm from a town a mere hour south of where they play ball and I get to watch them on TV all the time. ) and there is no way that team makes the playoffs without Durant.

D Rose won because he was the best player on the best team and is the best point guard in the league. And for the person that said Dwight Howard put the crackpipe down. Orlando got worse this season and Howard still has no post moves whatsoever.

Ehhh...I think Paul would have something to say about that PG comment. I'm not bagging on Rose, I think he's a darn good player, but I don't know that I wouldn't take Paul over him.




And as for the question of why...eh probably a combination of everything that's been mentioned in here, with a heavy dose of the media hype.

 

[mldardy]

Couldn't agree more.

That's my team (Being that I'm from a town a mere hour south of where they play ball and I get to watch them on TV all the time. ) and there is no way that team makes the playoffs without Durant.





Ehhh...I think Paul would have something to say about that PG comment. I'm not bagging on Rose, I think he's a darn good player, but I don't know that I wouldn't take Paul over him.




And as for the question of why...eh probably a combination of everything that's been mentioned in here, with a heavy dose of the media hype.

Ehh I already pointed out that Paul didn't have that great of a year. Westbrook and Rondo arguably had better years than Paul and NO ONE at the point guard position had a better year than Rose. Paul is good definitely a top 5 point guard but he doesn't have the ability Rose does to take over a game. Rose did a lot this season.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ehh I already pointed out that Paul didn't have that great of a year. Westbrook and Rondo arguably had better years than Paul and NO ONE at the point guard position had a better year than Rose. Paul is good definitely a top 5 point guard but he doesn't have the ability Rose does to take over a game. Rose did a lot this season.

I'm not saying he didn't or wasn't. I'm just saying that Chris Paul, this year or not, would still probably have something to say about who the better player is.

I'm not going by just one year. Would I take Rose? Sure. Would I take Paul? Sure.

I was just pointing out that there is at least one point guard, and you made the point about a couple others, who might just believe they're better.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Yikes, Rose is having a nightmare series against the Heat

 

[MC KAos]

yes, this series just goes to show how crap the rest of his team is and how much he deserves the MVP. it sucks that besides himself and deng no one on the team is good at both offense AND defense.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Just saw this thread, but its pretty simple guys.

Rose was more valuable to his team than any other player in the league. That's why he won MVP.

Any other questions just let me know.

 

[baj1dallas]

Rose deserved it I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

It's because statistically, he wasn't one of the top 5 players in the league. Without Rose, the Bulls would still have been top 5 in their conference. Whereas Dirk, Durant, and Howard were all way more valuable to their team. MVP shouldn't have to come from the top 3 playoff seeds, and team that finishes top 4 in their conference should be considered.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just saw this thread, but its pretty simple guys.

Rose was more valuable to his team than any other player in the league. That's why he won MVP.

Any other questions just let me know.

But see, I don't agree with this. How can you prove he was the most valuable to his team? It could EASILY be argued that Howard, Dirk and Durant are all just as if not more valuable to their respective teams than Rose, AND all three had more impressive stats.

Honestly, I think Howard is far and away the most valuable player in the league. Without him, the Magic would probably be the worst team in basketball.

 

[MC KAos]

the MVP isnt about who has the best stats, who the best player in the league is, or even who is more valuable to his team.

The MVP is about winning, who leads his team to victory most often, and there is no denying Rose was that for his team this year. You never see MVPs coming from crappy teams or rarely do you see them coming from teams with 2 equally good players (like kobe/shaq or dwade/lebron). I could understand howard winning it if say, the spurs had been the only team close to sixty wins, but the spurs and bulls were far and above the best teams in the regular season, and no one on the spurs deserved it. Derrick Rose was the only true choice for MVP, and the playoffs dont matter in that discussion.

 

[The30YardSlant]

the MVP isnt about who has the best stats, who the best player in the league is, or even who is more valuable to his team.

The MVP is about winning, who leads his team to victory most often, and there is no denying Rose was that for his team this year. You never see MVPs coming from crappy teams or rarely do you see them coming from teams with 2 equally good players (like kobe/shaq or dwade/lebron). I could understand howard winning it if say, the spurs had been the only team close to sixty wins, but the spurs and bulls were far and above the best teams in the regular season, and no one on the spurs deserved it. Derrick Rose was the only true choice for MVP, and the playoffs dont matter in that discussion.

Again, how is Rose any more valuable than Howard?

Jordan was only the most valuable player to his team for one of his six MVP years. Without him, the Bulls starring Pippen still won 57 games and made the ECF. That didnt stop the voters from voting for him over and over. The award goes to the best player on one of the three best teams, regardless of merit.