Why exactly is everyone so enamored with Shanahan?

[NextGenBoys]

except he waited too long to implement HIS defense IMO and let brian stewart have too much leash. that was one of his failures as HC...not taking over sooner.

He's had many failures as a head coach. I'd rather have Wade go than Garrett.

 

[HanD]

Of course it is, I have nothing aginst Shanahan but I know damn well many of the people hollering for Wade head would be doing the same with the next coach within 2 years, hell they did it to Parcells as well with the BS he coaches not to lose crap. Unless someone comes in and wins it all right off the bat many of these spoiled brat fans are not going to happy and demand the firing of the coach. At this rate Dallas will always been regrouping and relearning an entire system

i was happy with BP but he chose to leave. in hindsight, my only problem with his tenure here was his preaching discipline and us still being a highly penalized team. i can live with his draft blunders/success and really miss his grip on the organization (read less media/no leaks).

 

[Doomsday101]

except he waited too long to implement HIS defense IMO and let brian stewart have too much leash. that was one of his failures as HC...not taking over sooner.






well....not an excuse but they were on their 5th RB. an offense can only do so much when you can't run the ball and have to rely on the passing game for everything. we were in the same boat except we HAD the ability to run....we chose not to IMO.

And when Dallas suffers injury as in losing our starting QB as well as some other key injuries that does seem to count. As I said I think Shanahan is a fine coach but I know fans very well and how quick they are to want to dump the coach.

 

[HanD]

He's had many failures as a head coach. I'd rather have Wade go than Garrett.

i don't disagree.

 

[NextGenBoys]

i was happy with BP but he chose to leave. in hindsight, my only problem with his tenure here was his preaching discipline and us still being a highly penalized team. i can live with his draft blunders/success and really miss his grip on the organization (read less media/no leaks).

The biggest change when Parcells left was attitude. A team will take on the personality of its coach. That was certainly the case when Parcells was here.

It was evident that football was simply a job, and was not fun. You cant play like that. Players were playing tight and playing not to lose.

Now it is the opposite where football is not taken serious, and there are no repercussions and no accountability, which is a direct reflection of the personality of the head coach.

 

[bootsy]

Wade ran an aggressive 3-4 defense, and his team led the league in sacks and was near the top in takeaways - which were two things we were trying to improve on in defense when Wade was hired.

In short, yes Wade was the perfect hire when he was brought in. An aggressive defense, and a fresh change of pace from Parcells. I dont think many had too much beef during the season when we were 13-3.

All of this led to absolutely nothing at the end of the day. The defense is great if Wade was a d coordinator but he is THE HEAD COACH. The 3-4 didn't help us much when we needed to win games.

 

[HanD]

And when Dallas suffers injury as in losing our starting QB as well as some other key injuries that does seem to count. As I said I think Shanahan is a fine coach but I know fans very well and how quick they are to want to dump the coach.

i'm just saying denver didn't lose because of shanahan's offense and that the same offense did better or just as well as dallas' offense with less talent and more injuries. i'm not discounting romo's injury...but denver lost because of the defense. and i don't disagree that if he comes here and doesn't win in 2 years that fans won't call for his head unrightfully. i'm just more in favor of MS as HC than wade at this point in time because i don't hav econfidence wade can get us to the promise land.

 

[wileedog]

Wade ran an aggressive 3-4 defense, and his team led the league in sacks and was near the top in takeaways - which were two things we were trying to improve on in defense when Wade was hired.

We had 22 takeaways. Only 7 teams in the league had less.

Also we were 20th in points scored against us. We actually gave up less last year, although granted we had a much better turnover ratio. Our Yards per game against us improved marginally.

For the most part, all we did was rack up a lot of sacks. The secondary in particular was terrible this year, although the injuries of course really hurt that unit.

 

[HanD]

The biggest change when Parcells left was attitude. A team will take on the personality of its coach. That was certainly the case when Parcells was here.

It was evident that football was simply a job, and was not fun. You cant play like that. Players were playing tight and playing not to lose.

Now it is the opposite where football is not taken serious, and there are no repercussions and no accountability, which is a direct reflection of the personality of the head coach.

totally agree. we went from one extreme to another.

 

[bootsy]

That offense did not do much over the last 3 games when all they needed was 1 win. Hell if he did that in Dallas the same people would be hollering to fire him now.

Their offense scored 10, 23 and 21 in their last 3 games. Their D gave up 30, 30, and 52 in those same last 3 games.Come on man. You can't be serious. The Broncos literally had to outscore opponents to have a chance to win. My brother is a die-hard, longtime Broncos fan and I asked him what type of coach he wanted and he immediately said a defensive minded coach because the defense was so bad this season.

 

[NextGenBoys]

We had 22 takeaways. Only 7 teams in the league had less.

Also we were 20th in points scored against us. We actually gave up less last year, although granted we had a much better turnover ratio. Our Yards per game against us improved marginally.

For the most part, all we did was rack up a lot of sacks. The secondary in particular was terrible this year, although the injuries of course really hurt that unit.

I was talking about the Chargers in 06. That is what JJ was going off of when be brought Wade in.

Was not referrring to the Cowboys in 07 or 08. And we were pretty good at getting takeaways in 07, and fairly good at sacking the QB.

 

[HanD]

I asked him what type of coach he wanted and he immediately said a defensive minded coach because the defense was so bad this season.

so let's work a wade for shanahan trade

if only.....

 

[NextGenBoys]

so let's work a wade for shanahan trade

if only.....

That is the only scenario I would be for in regards to getting Shanny.

...And only if Wade takes Stewart with him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He is not Wade, simple as that.

Yah... and just like any "name" player that gets cut or becomes available... EVERYONE wants them.

Doesnt matter why.... just that the "name" is available.

 

[HanD]

That is the only scenario I would be for in regards to getting Shanny.

...And only if Wade takes Stewart with him.

if wade wanted to stay as DC under MS and fire BS i'd be ecstatic.

 

[wileedog]

I was talking about the Chargers in 06. That is what JJ was going off of when be brought Wade in.

Was not referrring to the Cowboys in 07 or 08. And we were pretty good at getting takeaways in 07, and fairly good at sacking the QB.

Ah sorry, my bad, I misunderstood.

 

[Doomsday101]

i'm just saying denver didn't lose because of shanahan's offense and that the same offense did better or just as well as dallas' offense with less talent and more injuries. i'm not discounting romo's injury...but denver lost because of the defense. and i don't disagree that if he comes here and doesn't win in 2 years that fans won't call for his head unrightfully. i'm just more in favor of MS as HC than wade at this point in time because i don't hav econfidence wade can get us to the promise land.

Denver had their share of offensive bad games as well 10 vs Carolina, 10 vs Oakland, 7 points vs NE. I think if people judge Shanahan and Denver by the same strick standards as they do the Cowboys they may not be all that impressed. As for Wade and Jason they have been in Dallas a total of 2 years I think any coaching staff deserves more than that.

 

[HanD]

Denver had their share of offensive bad games as well 10 vs Carolina, 10 vs Oakland, 7 points vs NE. I think if people judge Shanahan and Denver by the same strick standards as they do the Cowboys they may not be all that impressed. As for Wade and Jason they have been in Dallas a total of 2 years I think any coaching staff deserves more than that.

yet dallas had less points per game and yards per game than denver. you can blame brad johnson but i put that on jason garrett for tellin JJ he was capable. shanahan's offense produced more than ours. period. and they had more injuries and less talent. i don't think you can spin that part of it. is JG still learning...sure. does he deserve more time....definitely. my problem with JG was the lack of commitment to power running or running in general and the lack of adjustments. my issue with wade was not taking the defense over sooner when BS sucked and no control over the team. Do i think they deserve 1 more year...probably, but would i take shanahan over them if given the choice, definitely.

 

[Doomsday101]

yet dallas had less points per game and yards per game than denver. you can blame brad johnson but i put that on jason garrett for tellin JJ he was capable. shanahan's offense produced more than ours. period. and they had more injuries and less talent. i don't think you can spin that part of it. is JG still learning...sure. does he deserve more time....definitely. my problem with JG was the lack of commitment to power running or running in general and the lack of adjustments. my issue with wade was not taking the defense over sooner when BS sucked and no control over the team. Do i think they deserve 1 more year...probably, but would i take shanahan over them if given the choice, definitely.

I disagree but respect your opinion. Shanahan was the HC meaning he was in charge of both offense and defense and this was not the 1st year the denver defense was bad heck Denver has not had a top 10 defense since 2004. Offensively Shanahan has had his shares of ups and downs while Denver produced good this past season 2007 they were not ranked in the top 10. What I'm getting at is Dallas can't continue to hire and fire as they have coaches no matter who is it.

 

[HanD]

I disagree but respect your opinion. Shanahan was the HC meaning he was in charge of both offense and defense and this was not the 1st year the denver defense was bad heck Denver has not had a top 10 defense since 2004. Offensively Shanahan has had his shares of ups and downs while Denver produced good this past season 2007 they were not ranked in the top 10. What I'm getting at is Dallas can't continue to hire and fire as they have coaches no matter who is it.

i agree with putting a staff in place and giving them time to do their job. i think we're on the same page there. that is why i wouldn't be totally against keeping JG/wade for another year. all i'm saying is that i'm not enamored by what i've seen from wade (circus, lack of discipline underachieving, excuses, just hectic in general with a lack of control). and if you put the two in front of me, there is no question which one i'm picking to be my HC. that's all. i'm not calling for wade's head, but i don't blame those that do and want Shanahan in his place.