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Why Hasn't Dalton Shultz Signed A Long Term Contract Yet

Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by Vinnie2u, Apr 7, 2022.

  1. CowboysExchange

    CowboysExchange Well-Known Member

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    We got baited by Philly. They were like we can't possibly win these games do ofso let Schultz score 4 TDs in hopes they sign him to a long term deal like Blake The Giant killer

    If we never play another division rival the last week of the season I'll be a happy
     
  2. FuzzyLumpkins

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    Claiming youtubes say something to support an argument and not posting said youtubes is not a compelling argument.
     
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  3. CowboysExchange

    CowboysExchange Well-Known Member

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    Tbh I don't know how to download pictures and links to this site lol

    Some peeps are going on record that the cowboys are gonna draft a #1 starting te to replace schultz or #2 starting te to replace Jarwin that will hit the field running this starting 12 personnel offense in 5 months. Lol

    Even a te playing in his 2nd season is a stretch to play if ya look at our history of tes. Most of our tes dont hit the field playing until year 3.

    There's a huge bone pile of draft pic busts and dead weight roster spots just to run this starting 12 personell offensive attack spanning back 15+ years.

    Our 12 personnel offense blows chunks in the playoffs and against winning teams.

    Even if we draft a te there's an excellent chance we're gonna be looking at Schultz and McKeon out there on 1st and 2nd down

    There has been a plethora of avg plug and play tes in fa for 3- 5 million that are way better than McKeon.

    I'm just not gonna break the bank on a 4th-5th option possession receiving te like schultz who isnt a good blocker.

    If I'm rolling w this sdupid Starting 12 personell I'm bringing in at least 2 outside veterans to compete for those 2 starting te spots and running a Te by committee.

    I'm gonna have a 3rd down and red zone te that can beat man on man coverage and go up and get a ball
     
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  4. OmerV

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    This response isn't consistent with what you wrote. You said TE's build stats because Dak doesn't like throwing to WRs, and obviously stats are built from all games..

    But if you want to change the criteria now and talk only about stats in "big games" and say Dak doesn't like throwing to WR's in those games . . .

    In 4 playoff games Dak had a 100+ yard WR in 3 of the 4
    In 4 playoff games Dak averaged 201 yards/game to WR's, 50 to TE's and 15 to RB's
    Last year against the defending SB champion Dak had 2 100+ yard WR's, and threw for a total of 303 yards and 3 TD's to WRs

    As for you dismissing Schultz's stats because you don't care about stats built against the Falcons and Lions, he only had 14 yards against the Falcons, and they didn't play the Lions at all last season, so obviously that's not where his stats were built
     
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  5. CowboysExchange

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    Alot of those Stats came after we got behind by 2-3 Scores at home too

    And Thank Goodness our Defense kept us in the Game with some Late Turnovers.

    But we Still got a Loss in 3 of the 4 Games

    So that production was too little too late Rogers. Js
     
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  7. OmerV

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    I'll give you that with Dak's first playoff game against GB - they got behing quickly and wre forced into passing mode. Otherwise the stats were pretty spread over those games.. Besides, the stats of every other WR in the league count in those situations too.

    But that's irrelevant to the context of the discussion anyway because it's not as if the TE was building stats to the exclusion of the WR's in those games. The point I was debunking was the idea Schultz only built stats because Dak doesn't like throwing to WR's. The TE's did not build notable stats in those games, except to a moderate degree in the last playoff game against SF.

    Nor did Schultz only build stats over the season because Dak didn't like throwing to WR's. Dak is clearly building much more of his stats off WR's than Scultz, so it makes no sense to suggest Scultz only get stats because Dak doesn't like throwing to WR's
     
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  8. CowboysExchange

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    Schultz gets alot of wide open 3-5 yard te screens with racs on 1st and 2nd down. Especially in the first half.

    The degree of difficulty is not the same as having man to man coverage draped over you on every snap. Js

    That's why his catch rate/drop rate numbers are so great but he's only avg 10 yards per catch avgs

    He's not bad at finding some holes in the zone on occasion.

    But can we really compare his production to top tes that are not being utilized on 30+ 1st and 2nd down checkdown screens per year but have way higher ypc averages?

    If he had to line up man to man everysnap he's be lucky to catch 40 contested balls. I think Schultz is a avg possession receiving te. But his Big Play and red zone capabilities are limited. Esp against good teams.

    Alot of teams shifted their coverage to our main threats and forced us to beat them with our tes. We got some production out of it and it looks great on paper.

    But if I'm gonna try to scheme a player wide open on 1st and 2nd down it's not gonna be a 10 yard avg possession receiving te. It hasn't been successful before and won't be successful for long

    Kudos to Schultz but booooo to km or whomever schemed up this offense that laid alot of rotten eggs against good teams.

    My biggest knock on Schultz has zero to do with his stats. Its about whether his 78 catches equates to Wins and Losses. I think he's just an avg te thats being over utilized.

    The more balls he catches is one less ball to the other 4 skilled players who can go all the Waaaaay. And win ya something

    Id take Hayden Hurst for 3.5 million and Jared Cook for 5 million. I'd save 4 million and have better skillsets than Schultz and McKeon
     
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  9. CowboysExchange

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    Schultz was interviewed by ESPN talking about the offense being worse without Cooper.

    That there's opportunity for players to have an increased role

    I hope he was talking about other players.

    If he catches 78 balls like he did last year that means our scheme is a dumpster fire like it was when #82 was catching 100 balls

    If he catches more than 50 balls everything we did was a complete and utter FAILURE
     
  10. CowboysExchange

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    Schultz talked about being happy in Dallas. And that hed rather play here than anywhere else. That he thinks he'll get a long term contract. I think paying 11 million on the tag speaks volumes of what this ownership thinks of him.

    I don't think many other teams are gonna carve out than many opportunities and cap space for a 4th-5th option skilled player

    But this ownership loves to pay their own guys. And they have a history of overvaluing the everysnap possession receiving tes. And undervaluing the deep threat and red zone skillsets from guys like Martellus Bennett.

    If we're only gonna throw everydown take what the defense gives ya checkdown passes to tes I hope we can get an alpha dog #1 wr who can go up and get a ball and score about 12-15 TDs a year to make up for those lack of skillsets by the tes. If it's me I'm going with a Te by committee.
     
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  11. kskboys

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    Yup. It made so little sense I didn't even bother responding to it.

    For some reason, Schultz has been chosen to rag on. It really doesn't make any sense as he has far outplayed expectations.
     
  12. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    The Cowboys are probably not sure if they want to invest in Dalton Schultz long-term. They were pretty much forced to franchise him with Blake Jarwin’s future in doubt and trading Cooper. They couldn’t afford to lose Schultz in free agency. Schultz and Cooper led the team with 8 TD catches last season and we couldn’t allow Schultz to walk. We have enough needs on the OL, DL and at WR. We didn’t want to be entering the draft needing a receiving TE.
     
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  13. kskboys

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    If Schultz can learn to block, he's a top 10 TE
     
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  14. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    He’s developed into a very good receiving TE he just needs to get better at blocking and he knows it.
     
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  15. kskboys

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    I don't rewatch game tape, wonder if he's as bad as is being claimed?
     
  16. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Nothing is ever as bad a they claim on this board. Everything is exaggerated. He definitely struggles with it but I wouldn’t say he’s horrible. I don’t think he’s any worse than Witten was at the end of his career.
     
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  17. big dog cowboy

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    You know the schedule makers do that now for every team. It's supposed to make all games relevant that weekend.
     
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  18. kskboys

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    N we don't need him to be some nasty drive blocker, just a get in the way type.
     
  19. OmerV

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    Every TE gets some short passes, but stop the ridiculous commentary as if that is pretty much all there is. The man didn't have the 6th most yards of any TE in the NFL on 3-5 yard passes.

    And quit acting like he is catching all uncontested balls while there are scads of other TE's that are catching mostly contested balls. That's just fabricated nonsense.

    And quit tying the fact the team hasn't won in the playoffs solely to the TE position. I noticed you the other day claiming you have been right about the TE position for years because the team hasn't won, yet you conveniently ignore that over the same time period we have had players manning every other position on the field. It's ridiculously illogical to apply that standard to only one position.

    The fact is he is not Kelce, Andrews, Waller or Kittle level. Not by any stretch. We all know that. But he is easily the next tier after, and while it would be great to have a Kelce, Andrews, Waller, Kittle level guy, being next tier ain't bad. There are a number of positions where the team would be better off if it had players that were next tier after the truly elite.
     
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  20. OmerV

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    Not only far outplayed expectations, but at least as a receiver has outplayed any TE the Cowboys have had since Witten's 2013 season. After years of Witten fading a little more each year we finally have a viable and valuable receiving TE, and we just want to rag on him.
     
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