Why Hasn't Dalton Shultz Signed A Long Term Contract Yet

[kskboys]

I don't hate Schultz at all. That's not true.

But I'm not gonna overvalue him or his involvement either.

I'll go on record and say I prefer a deep baller and red zone #1 te that can go up and get a ball.

But a possession receiving te that can block brings needed skillsets also.

Then why do you focus on the negative about him to support your not liking him? Why do you want him gone so bad?

Schultz is simply a nice role player. As long as we don't overpay, he's very useful. There's a ton more to being a TE than going deep.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Then why do you focus on the negative about him to support your not liking him? Why do you want him gone so bad?

Schultz is simply a nice role player. As long as we don't overpay, he's very useful. There's a ton more to being a TE than going deep.

There's a handful of tes in the league that can do it all. It's like finding a unicorn. I get that.

I think Schultz is a good role player. I just don't think he is an every passing down te.

I don't think any te that has played for us in 8+ years has been either. That's the type of role I need from a possession receiving te.

Not every down and distance calls for a possession receiving te. Js

When im looking at the te position on our team Im factoring in (A) that our scheme uses 2 starting tes.

(B) I'm also looking at the potency of our Entire te core and team around them. Not just the individual player and his stats.

We clearly have a glaring hole at #2 te after losing Jarwin that most seem to be Overlooking.

I think Schultz is a more durable and an overall better te than Jarwin. But there isn't a huge dropoff from a pure talent perspective just in stats. They were both competing for the #1 te spot.

I do think there is a huge dropoff in talent from a top 5-7 te than what we had in Schultz and Jarwin.

My biggest concern is our overall te core potency

Half of our potency at te left the building and I don't think anybody on our current roster can fill it.

I think part of our success came more from having 2 avg tes instead of just 1

If I can get 2 avg tes for the price of 1 or close to it I'm gonna do it.

But I'm not starting off the season using Schultz and McKeon just because Schultz had a good season and is demanding top te money.

I'm gonna do whatever it takes to have the best te core. If we're gonna pick up another te at their Level fine.

But we're already gonna have a huge dropoff at wr 1, wr 2, wr 3 and te #2 and I don't think Schultz has a higher Ceiling than what him and Jarwin had together. Or more than last year. I think he's more likely to regress.

We need 2 avg tes just to play at the level we did last year.
That's not even factoring in our wrs.

Guys just don't step up and replace 16-17 tds and 1200 yards. Esp possession receiving tes that doesn't have those Alpha dog go up and get a ball skillsets.

I'm not gonna wager 12 million of my PIE for the next 3 years to find out.

I'd rather franchise tag him again.

I'd rather have Hayden Hurst and Cook for 8.5 million.

Then I have a checkdown te and a 50/50 Baller te and money to spend on a project te like oj Howard.

I'm trying to replace that scoring Production that left the building first and foremost

 

[CowboysExchange]

Gronk is near the end of what may be a HOF career
No one would think Murray was better than AP and he didn’t have better stats either
Shultz has improved every year and you can’t compare his career stats to a guy like Gronk but then again he’s gonna be playing long after Gronk is retired
He put up one of the best seasons at the position this past year and that’s what you sign a guy for
There aren’t 10 better TE today and certainly not 15

there was 20+ tes that were ranked better than Schultz 1 year ago when they ranked them Connor

I see your point though based upon stats. Let's see if he can do it 2 years in a row like all of those other top 15 tes have
Especially without all of the talent that left the building.

I don't think his ceiling is high enough to remain in the top 10 or even 15 based upon what I've seen with my eyes. He's just a possession receiving te w a much lower ceiling imo. But we'll see.

What do you think about the whole te core compared to last year???

I see a big hole and dropoff w/out Jarwin. Last year was a pretty good indication of that to me

It's the first time our te core was even respectable #'s wise in 8+ years

I'm guessing w Jarwin Gone and the wr dropoff we'll put up 40-50% less tds as a Te core

 

[OmerV]

You can't talk to the guy. He's so determined to hate Schultz, that he's not going to like him no matter what.

He's determined to hate all TE's that aren't Kelce, Andrews, Kittle etc …. He's also obsessed with Jared Cook, who only once in his 13 year career had as many yards and TD's as Schultz had last year, and whose career catch % is 12 points lower than Schultz.

He literally (and I really mean literally - not just using that word in the loose way many do) blames the fact the Cowboys haven't won in the playoffs entirely on the TE position. He actually claims his proof is that the Cowboys haven't won in the playoffs with the TE's they have had, but ignores the fact that they also haven't won in the playoffs with the players manning every other position on the team either.

 

[CowboysExchange]

He's determined to hate all TE's that aren't Kelce, Andrews, Kittle etc …. He's also obsessed with Jared Cook, who only once in his 13 year career had as many yards and TD's as Schultz had last year, and whose career catch % is 12 points lower than Schultz.

He literally (and I really mean literally - not just using that word in the loose way many do) blames the fact the Cowboys haven't won in the playoffs entirely on the TE position. He actually claims his proof is that the Cowboys haven't won in the playoffs with the TE's they have had, but ignores the fact that they also haven't won in the playoffs with the players manning every other position on the team either.

Well not every other teams te core has averaged 5 TDs a year for the past 8+ years using a dominate 12 Personell Scheme that uses 2 starting tes either. Or an every passing snap possession receiving te.

Not every team has a Swaim playing every passing snap w 1 td all year either.

There's a Legitimate problem that needs to be addressed.

Before cook even left the raiders I was all over picking him up. Y'all said Noooooooo We have a serviceable te. Lmao

He had like 10 tds that year.
Hes 35 years old and is still a more clutch red zone target than any te we've had in 10+ years

 

[conner01]

there was 20+ tes that were ranked better than Schultz 1 year ago when they ranked them Connor

I see your point though based upon stats. Let's see if he can do it 2 years in a row like all of those other top 15 tes have
Especially without all of the talent that left the building.

I don't think his ceiling is high enough to remain in the top 10 or even 15 based upon what I've seen with my eyes. He's just a possession receiving te w a much lower ceiling imo. But we'll see.

What do you think about the whole te core compared to last year???

I see a big hole and dropoff w/out Jarwin. Last year was a pretty good indication of that to me

It's the first time our te core was even respectable #'s wise in 8+ years

I'm guessing w Jarwin Gone and the wr dropoff we'll put up 40-50% less tds as a Te core

He’s improved every year in the league
Even in 2020 his first season with any real playing time he had 63 catches on 89 target. That’s was 6th in the league so there wasn’t 20 better
I don’t know who the TE will even be this year but don’t think replacing Jarwin 11 catches will be hard
And no one else did much at all
It’s not like we was loaded at TE last year

 

[OmerV]

there was 20+ tes that were ranked better than Schultz 1 year ago when they ranked them Connor

I see your point though based upon stats. Let's see if he can do it 2 years in a row like all of those other top 15 tes have
Especially without all of the talent that left the building.

I don't think his ceiling is high enough to remain in the top 10 or even 15 based upon what I've seen with my eyes. He's just a possession receiving te w a much lower ceiling imo. But we'll see.

What do you think about the whole te core compared to last year???

I see a big hole and dropoff w/out Jarwin. Last year was a pretty good indication of that to me

It's the first time our te core was even respectable #'s wise in 8+ years

I'm guessing w Jarwin Gone and the wr dropoff we'll put up 40-50% less tds as a Te core

Give us your source of this 20+ TE claim. Funny you say you know the ranking, but can't give the specific #. I suspect that has a lot to do with your tendency to just make things up and present them as fact.

Also interesting you skipped back to Schultz first year as a starter rather than last season to make this claim.

While you are at it, why don't you list the 15 current TEs that for 2 years in a row put up stats like Schultz had in 2021. I'll wait for that as well.

 

[OmerV]

Well not every other teams te core has averaged 5 TDs a year for the past 8+ years using a dominate 12 Personell Scheme that uses 2 starting tes either. Or an every passing snap possession receiving te.

Not every team has a Swaim playing every passing snap w 1 td all year either.

There's a Legitimate problem that needs to be addressed

Schultz wasn't with the team, or in the NFL 8 years ago. If you are going to condemn Schultz, talk about Schultz. You can't condemn Schultz by talking about Geoff Swaim not being a quality TE 5 years ago, or Jason Witten's talent having faded when he got to his upper 30's. It's comical that a person would even attempt to suggest those things are related.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Schultz wasn't with the team, or in the NFL 8 years ago. If you are going to condemn Schultz, talk about Schultz. You can't condemn Schultz by talking about Geoff Swaim not being a quality TE 5 years ago, or Jason Witten's talent having faded when he got to his upper 30's. It's comical that a person would even attempt to suggest those things are related.

I'm condemning the level as a te core period we have in this dominate te scheme for the past 8+ years. It's an embarrassment. Sorry

It's not all on Schultz. This is only his 4th year and woulda been jarwins 5th.

Y'all act like they just got here and have a big ceiling.

 

[OmerV]

I'm condemning the level as a te core period we have in this dominate te scheme for the past 8+ years. It's an embarrassment. Sorry

It's not all on Schultz. This is only his 4th year and woulda been jarwins 5th.

Y'all act like they just got here and have a big ceiling.

Schultz hasn't been the starter 8 years ago. Again, you are arguing against Schultz based on information that has nothing to do with Schultz. It's nonsensical.

As for Schultz ceiling, if he it's the 800+ yards and 8 TD's he had last year that's pretty darn good. Especially with him sharing the load with 3 very good WR's. But for all we know he can go beyond that.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Schultz hasn't been the starter 8 years ago. Again, you are arguing against Schultz based on information that has nothing to do with Schultz. It's nonsensical.

As for Schultz ceiling, if he it's the 800+ yards and 8 TD's he had last year that's pretty darn good. Especially with him sharing the load with 3 very good WR's. But for all we know he can go beyond that.

If he's playing next to McKeon on 1st and 2nd down I betcha our te core turns into a pumpkin once again

I'm not gambling all my Cap pie on 1 possession receiving te

Look at our te history over the past 8+ years.

We're not good at drafting or picking up tes in FA

You'd think a team w a tradition of using a dominate 2 te scheme might actually have some talent and depth or use a Te by committee.

It's a graveyard of draft busts and 5 TD a year te core scoring avgs, wasted roster spots, and 8-8 seasons

It grades an F

 

[CowboysExchange]

Give us your source of this 20+ TE claim. Funny you say you know the ranking, but can't give the specific #. I suspect that has a lot to do with your tendency to just make things up and present them as fact.

Also interesting you skipped back to Schultz first year as a starter rather than last season to make this claim.

While you are at it, why don't you list the 15 current TEs that for 2 years in a row put up stats like Schultz had in 2021. I'll wait for that as well.

Pff didn't even rank Schultz in the top 32 on 7-28-2021. Before the season started. Jarwin I think filled the last spot

Here are 10 tes i think most anybody would pick before Schultz if they had to play tomorrow.

Andrews
Kelce
Kittle
Gronk
Pitts
Goedert
Gesecki
Henry
Waller
Knox

Notables-

Hooper
J. Smith
Njoku
Engram
Fant
Hockenson
Uzoma


I think most of the notable tes are ever bit as good as Schultz if they were playing in our offense last year.

Players I'd take as an even swap are Hooper, Njoku, J. Smith, Engram, Fant.

I don't see any specific skillsets that puts Schultz in the top 10 outside of his stats from last year. But how would y'all rank Him.

There are 17 tes here. Rank them based upon how ya think they woulda played in Dallas. Not necessarily based upon pure stats. And let me know if I left anybody out

 

[CowboysExchange]

He’s improved every year in the league
Even in 2020 his first season with any real playing time he had 63 catches on 89 target. That’s was 6th in the league so there wasn’t 20 better
I don’t know who the TE will even be this year but don’t think replacing Jarwin 11 catches will be hard
And no one else did much at all
It’s not like we was loaded at TE last year

Jarwin only played the first 7 games and the last game.

He was used primarily as the #2 blocking te on 50% of the snaps.

He did only catch 11 balls and score 2 Tds which won't be too hard to replace.

But we won all if the games he did play in except 1 all year against TB.

And our running attack seemed to fade off into the sunset after he got hurt.

Schultz scored 5 of his 8 tds in the 8 games Jarwin played also.

I don't think Jarwin can be replaced by anyone on our current roster but maybe in fa.

The draft never yields us any 1st year players.

I think our te core will go from 11 tds last year back down to 6 tds as our team stands now.

That's my projections and we'll see how it plays out.

 

[CowboysExchange]

We actually had 12 tds at the the te position because Steele caught a TD pass as an eligible te against WFT

Schultz 8
Jarwin 2
McKeon 1
Steele 1

If I'm using this style of offense
I'm gonna have some talent at both the #1 and #2 starting te spots. Or I'm scaling back to the 11 personell like the Rams.

I'd use Steele as a te in the red zone . He can get off the line and get wide open better than our current #2 starting tes that's been rotting on the bench for 2 years.

He's basically got the same skillsets

 

[kskboys]

We actually had 12 tds at the the te position because Steele caught a TD pass as an eligible te against WFT

Schultz 8
Jarwin 2
McKeon 1
Steele 1

If I'm using this style of offense
I'm gonna have some talent at both the #1 and #2 starting te spots. Or I'm scaling back to the 11 personell like the Rams.

I'd use Steele as a te in the red zone . He can get off the line and get wide open better than our current #2 starting tes that's been rotting on the bench for 2 years.

He's basically got the same skillsets

You are way too focused on the TE position. It's not why we lost.

 

[CowboysExchange]

If Schultz' 11 million towards the cap is gonna hamper us from signing a 2nd starting te then that isn't something I'm gonna get on board with.

We need 2 pretty good tes if we're gonna succeed. We just barely sniffed the playoffs last year and our talent as a te core was better than it's been in 10+ years thanks to Schultz (and Jarwin)

12 tds is way better than the 6 tds we've been averaging for the past decade even if it wasn't against top tier teams. Js

 

[CowboysExchange]

You are way too focused on the TE position. It's not why we lost.

Its more of a scheme design problem imo

But it's still as much our te cores fault as it is the rest of our offense. Even if they did get 12 tds.

It been way more of a problem w our te core in previous years w their rinky dink 4-6 TD a year avgs. Js

But when we can't run the ball and our top 3 wrs can't get open and were forced to dink and dunk to our wide open tes on 1st and 2nd down they are just as much of the problem.

This te core has to improve on beating man to man Coverage on 3rd down and in the Red Zone if they want to be considered as a top te. And being better at blocking if that's your role is important

That's the difference between winning and losing. It's gonna take 2-3 tes not just 1

 

[kevm3]

He hasn't signed a long term contract because Stephen likes to make all the players 'prove it' until they either hold out or they perform well and in both cases, we end up having to pay them historically large contracts because we have no real alternative to them.

 

[CowboysExchange]

He hasn't signed a long term contract because Stephen likes to make all the players 'prove it' until they either hold out or they perform well and in both cases, we end up having to pay them historically large contracts because we have no real alternative to them.

Exactly. They coulda signed Schultz to a 4 year 20 million dollar contract at the beginning of last year. Lmao. He woulda took Blake Jarwin money then.

After this year I betcha he'll take Blake Jarwin money. Just bring in a guy that's making Blake Jarwin money to compete. And throw him 40 te screens

I'd rather have a hungry te in a contract year then a well paid avg te for Gronk or Kelce Money

 

[CowboysExchange]

Schultz hasn't proven he can be that reliable red zone target against good defenses or beat man to man coverage consistently on 3rd down.

He is good at finding holes in the zone and is a decent blocker. But he's just a possession receiving te which are way easier to replace in fa.

If we'd use fa to our advantage.
And quit betting on the Long Shots and bargain bin players. Ha ha ha

We'll prolly take a 7th round or undrafted fa te and play w Schultz and McKeon and regress as a te core is my guess.

We don't need 2 good tes is our philosophy