Why is roy williams the most criticized safety?

[stilltheguru]

in the nfl?


after dawkins got smoked by vick and jenkins nobody says a word.


nobody is saying anything about taylor getting smoked twice.


nobody is talking about ed reed doing NOTHING this year so far.


roy does something bad and hes the worse safety ever.

smh@ the hate.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Because he's a Cowboy, he horsetackles people, injures them on purpose, and he can't cover (other safties never get beat). Geez. How could you ask such a stupid question?

 

[VACowboy]

Because he's a Cowboy.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Because we're Cowboys fans and some of us are so fickle we think if a guy ever makes a mistake he's terrible. For all our Cowboys love, not a lot of us give the guys enough credit when it's due, but we criticize the heck out of them when they make a bad play.

I still put most of the blame on Zimmer for not blitzing Roy on the 4th down, or on both TDs for that matter. Did you see what Randy Moss did to Rodney Harrison in the open field week 1? He's a similar type safety. These guys are hitters first, run stoppers, blitzers, and cover guys waaaay down the list. Roy can cover somewhat, but find me a 235 pound man who can cover Santana Moss well. Roy shouldn't have let him get behind him, but everybody makes mistakes.

 

[Doomsday101]

in the nfl?


after dawkins got smoked by vick and jenkins nobody says a word.


nobody is saying anything about taylor getting smoked twice.


nobody is talking about ed reed doing NOTHING this year so far.


roy does something bad and hes the worse safety ever.

smh@ the hate.

If you play in the defensive back field in the NFL you will get burnt at times everyone does, too bad we have some who overreact when it happens to our guys. Yes Roy got toasted that does not change the fact Roy is a damn good player and one I'm very happy to have on this team.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

There could be some negative bias because he's a Cowboy, but I'd rather take a more objective view. I think R. Williams gets criticised because he's been made out to be grerat Safety when in reality his talent is unballanced. What I mean by that is this; while Williams is over-talented in areas of run support - like when he is used inside the box - he is under-talented in areas of pass support - like when he is used to cover receivers downfield. In the end, a true top-notch safety should be able to do both well. Roy does not, and because he struggles at coverage I see him more of a LB playing safety rather than a true Safety.

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[DBoys]

Because he is the most feared and when people fear you they break you down to get strength.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I really don't give a rat's behind about those other guys, but I'm sick of seeing our premier defensive player beaten repeatedly in coverage.

Think of the games against Philly and the Giants where Roy looks on helplessly as T.O. and Shockey catch multiple TDs against him. If he can't cover and make plays on the ball in the passing game, then, imo, he should be a LBer in the mold of a bigger Dat, because safetys must be able to cover to some extent and Roy is glaringly deficient in that area.

 

[Chuck 54]

in the nfl?


after dawkins got smoked by vick and jenkins nobody says a word.


nobody is saying anything about taylor getting smoked twice.


nobody is talking about ed reed doing NOTHING this year so far.


roy does something bad and hes the worse safety ever.

smh@ the hate.

There's a huge difference between giving up one td on a flea flicker and getting beat deep twice at the end of a game when you had a 13 point lead. Washington had no chance of winning except to hit on two huge TD passes, and they did.

Roy is still Roy, a great SS, but letting Moss get behind him twice in the defense we were playing is INEXCUSABLE....it doesn't mean he sucks, but anyone who would defend him on those two plays is totally off his rocker.

He blew it...we lost...hopefully he learned something...we move on.

 

[Justis]

There's a huge difference between giving up one td on a flea flicker and getting beat deep twice at the end of a game when you had a 13 point lead. Washington had no chance of winning except to hit on two huge TD passes, and they did.

Roy is still Roy, a great SS, but letting Moss get behind him twice in the defense we were playing is INEXCUSABLE....it doesn't mean he sucks, but anyone who would defend him on those two plays is totally off his rocker.

He blew it...we lost...hopefully he learned something...we move on.

I still blame Zimmer, he should know Roy's weak in coverage, and had set someone up to bump him at the line.

 

[Mr. S]

as criticized as you think he is, he is still regarded in the top 5 and 10 by many publications on player rankings. Taylor was overlooked in some of those rankings. I have not really heard much criticism of Roy Williams, and overall ive still heard more praise for him.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I really don't give a rat's behind about those other guys, but I'm sick of seeing our premier defensive player beaten repeatedly in coverage.

Think of the games against Philly and the Giants where Roy looks on helplessly as T.O. and Shockey catch multiple TDs against him. If he can't cover and make plays on the ball in the passing game, then, imo, he should be a LBer in the mold of a bigger Dat, because safetys must be able to cover to some extent and Roy is glaringly deficient in that area.

I was at the Monday Nighter against Philly and again, since the Corners for America's Team play sides instead of man, the Eagles were constantly moving T.O. in motion or putting him in the slot and good old Mr. #30 was stuck on Owens quite a bit that night.

Oh and it didnt help that McNabb had all day to throw and probably even made the play of the year during that game.

Let's give Roy a break on some of this stuff.

- Mike G.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I still blame Zimmer, he should know Roy's weak in coverage, and had set someone up to bump him at the line.

This thinking, which is rather abundant, is reason enough to show that Roy Williams is not criticized enough. People never blame their beloved heros.

They'll blame the coaches, the game plan and the marginal players ... but they'll never blame their heros.

Roy also droped an easy INT that went righ through his hands, hit him right in the face mask that would have iced the game. I guess that was Zimmer's fault too.

 

[Uh-Oh]

For the same reason Ken Griffey Jr is. They were once the best at what they do. To see them fall has the vultures circling.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I still blame Zimmer, he should know Roy's weak in coverage, and had set someone up to bump him at the line.

B I N G O !!

 

[Everlastingxxx]

25+ good plays vs 2 bad plays?

Roy takes the blame and rightly so...but not ALL the blame. Mr Parcells needs to own up to some of that blame as well.

 

[Henry]

For the same reason Arrington gets so much grief.

He's recognized as an excellent player, one of the best at his position. Thus, every little mistakehe makes is going to be scrutinized over and over.

Sean Taylor is still an up-and-comer. If he ever gets the noteriety that Williams has I guarantee you he'll be under the same microscope.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Funny, for just suggesting that Roy Williams was a complete liability in coverage this summer I was lambasted and a Roy hater, and told over and over and over again about how he covered Jimmy Smith 3 years ago.

Now its suddenly common knowledge and something everyone should have known.

 

[WV Cowboy]

This thinking, which is rather abundant, is reason enough to show that Roy Williams is not criticized enough. People never blame their beloved heros.

They'll blame the coaches, the game plan and the marginal players ... but they'll never blame their heros.

Roy also droped an easy INT that went righ through his hands, hit him right in the face mask that would have iced the game. I guess that was Zimmer's fault too.

No, IR.

But it is a coaches job to identify a players strengths and weaknesses.

He should exploit his strength, and hide his weakness.

If you have a baseball player who has a great glove, but no lateral movement, you put him at third, not shortstop.

Roy is awesome, but lacks coverage skills, Zimmer needs to protect him when he can.

 

[InmanRoshi]

No, IR.

But it is a coaches job to identify a players strengths and weaknesses.

He should exploit his strength, and hide his weakness.

If you have a baseball player who has a great glove, but no lateral movement, you put him at third, not shortstop.

Roy is awesome, but lacks coverage skills, Zimmer needs to protect him when he can.

No, sometimes players can't be protected. Sometimes they have to be able to do just the MINIMUM of what's expected from their position. Playing cover 2 zone isn't putting Roy in a bad position. Its the lowest common denominator of what's expected out of an NFL defensive back. This isn't not having enough latereal movement to get to the ball, this is letting the ball go right between your legs. This is basic fundamentals.


The Cowboys can't afford to run a 3-5-3 defense all year to protect Roy. Roy can't free lance all the time. Sometimes he's going to have to pull his weight and help the team by effectively accomplishing his assignments. Roy has to be play like a DEFENSIVE BACK when teams have abandoned the run and are obviously going to throw. Roy shouldn't be the only safety in the HISTORY OF THE NFL who never has to defend a pass. Its utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

If he really is such a poor player in coverage that he can't even play Cover 2 zone, then I can not stress enough how poor that draft pick was and how overrated Roy Williams is. He's just needs to be moved to linebacker and get it over with. Really, when people make the statement that "Roy Williams should never be asked to play Cover 2" they are making the biggest insult to Roy Williams, because in a backhanded way they are calling him a complete joke who can't even accomplish what an undrafted free agent rookie Safety should be able to do.

Really, if Roy can't play deep one single play I want someone to explain to me the difference between his position and a linebacker. Tony Dixon could get beat like a rented mule in pass protection and make occasional plays in the box when not asked to take on blockers and given a free lane to the ball carrier at all times.