Why is roy williams the most criticized safety?

[DallasDomination]

Because he's Dallas Cowboy why else?

 

[31WillHammerU]

No, sometimes players can't be protected. Sometimes they have to be able to do just the MINIMUM of what's expected from their position. Playing cover 2 zone isn't putting Roy in a bad position. Its the lowest common denominator of what's expected out of an NFL defensive back. This isn't not having enough latereal movement to get to the ball, this is letting the ball go right between your legs. This is basic fundamentals.


The Cowboys can't afford to run a 3-5-3 defense all year to protect Roy. Roy can't free lance all the time. Sometimes he's going to have to pull his weight and help the team by effectively accomplishing his assignments. Roy has to be play like a DEFENSIVE BACK when teams have abandoned the run and are obviously going to throw. Roy shouldn't be the only safety in the HISTORY OF THE NFL who never has to defend a pass. Its utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

If he really is such a poor player in coverage that he can't even play Cover 2 zone, then I can not stress enough how poor that draft pick was and how overrated Roy Williams is. He's just needs to be moved to linebacker and get it over with. Really, when people make the statement that "Roy Williams should never be asked to play Cover 2" they are making the biggest insult to Roy Williams, because in a backhanded way they are calling him a complete joke who can't even accomplish what an undrafted free agent rookie Safety should be able to do.

Really, if Roy can't play deep one single play I want someone to explain to me the difference between his position and a linebacker. Tony Dixon could get beat like a rented mule in pass protection and make occasional plays in the box when not asked to take on blockers and given a free lane to the ball carrier at all times.

Agenda...

 

[31WillHammerU]

Roy also droped an easy INT that went righ through his hands, hit him right in the face mask that would have iced the game. I guess that was Zimmer's fault too.

Watch it again. Tell me that you see both he and Henry going for the ball. Tell me that Henry made slight contact with Roy. That's what I saw.

Easy Int.?

 

[WV Cowboy]

No, sometimes players can't be protected. Sometimes they have to be able to do just the MINIMUM of what's expected from their position. Playing cover 2 zone isn't putting Roy in a bad position. Its the lowest common denominator of what's expected out of an NFL defensive back. This isn't not having enough latereal movement to get to the ball, this is letting the ball go right between your legs. This is basic fundamentals.


The Cowboys can't afford to run a 3-5-3 defense all year to protect Roy. Roy can't free lance all the time. Sometimes he's going to have to pull his weight and help the team by effectively accomplishing his assignments. Roy has to be play like a DEFENSIVE BACK when teams have abandoned the run and are obviously going to throw. Roy shouldn't be the only safety in the HISTORY OF THE NFL who never has to defend a pass. Its utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

If he really is such a poor player in coverage that he can't even play Cover 2 zone, then I can not stress enough how poor that draft pick was and how overrated Roy Williams is. He's just needs to be moved to linebacker and get it over with. Really, when people make the statement that "Roy Williams should never be asked to play Cover 2" they are making the biggest insult to Roy Williams, because in a backhanded way they are calling him a complete joke who can't even accomplish what an undrafted free agent rookie Safety should be able to do.

Really, if Roy can't play deep one single play I want someone to explain to me the difference between his position and a linebacker. Tony Dixon could get beat like a rented mule in pass protection and make occasional plays in the box when not asked to take on blockers and given a free lane to the ball carrier at all times.

Wow dude, calm down, ... I agree with what you are saying.

I just think we should always bump a speedy WR at the LOS, Roy Williams or not.

I think there are probably a lot of NFL safeties that would struggle with S. Moss running untouched right at them and past them.

I would rather have had Henry, Newman, Glenn & Davis back in coverage and RW going after Brunell in Monday night's situation myself.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

ROY HATER! :storm:

 

[TheHustler]

I don't know if you've noticed but this is CowboysZone not EaglesZone, not RedskinsZone not RavensZone.

We talk about Cowboys, duh.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think Roy is a great player but he really came up small on those two TD's, especially the first one.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

in the nfl?


after dawkins got smoked by vick and jenkins nobody says a word.


nobody is saying anything about taylor getting smoked twice.


nobody is talking about ed reed doing NOTHING this year so far.


roy does something bad and hes the worse safety ever.

smh@ the hate.

Personally, I would not trade Roy for any other saftey in the NFL......I know some of you are laughing at me right now......but the ones who are not laughing understand why? The guy is a stud!

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I still blame Zimmer, he should know Roy's weak in coverage, and had set someone up to bump him at the line.

Blame Parcells for not bringing in a veteran free safety or drafting one. Last year's defensive scheme called for the Safeties being interchangable, meaning the Strong Safety (ala R. Williams) is responsible for coverage. Roy failed that test miserably. Now we've moved to a 3-4 defense so that Roy can be closer to the line - to play to his strength, which is is run support.

That means you need a bona-fide FS back there who can play the center field pass, otherwise you have a gaping hole in your secondary. Because we never brought in a true FS this offseason, we're once again forced to play Williams to his weakness in coverage. And because he's teriible there we are still short at FS and also against the run since Roy is out of position. Do you blame that on Zimmer or on the head coach who is responsible for these personell decisions?

If we're going to blame coaches then let's be fair and blame the right ones. And I would say the same to Parcells who reportedly chewed out Zimmer for the defensive breakdown when he should have been chewing himelf out instead. That's what I can't stand about Parcells. When things go right he takes credit butwhen they go wrong he spreads the blame.

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[InmanRoshi]

Even with a true FS, you still need to play both your safeties back on occasion.

To believe that Dallas can get away with running a 3-5-3 defense 100% of the time in ludicrious. No safety in the history of the NFL has played in the box every single play.

Roy has to be able to do the bare minimum expected from a defensive back or convert him to linebacker and have him start taking on blockers. Period.

 

[Jarv]

Wow dude, calm down, ... I agree with what you are saying.

I just think we should always bump a speedy WR at the LOS, Roy Williams or not.

I think there are probably a lot of NFL safeties that would struggle with S. Moss running untouched right at them and past them.

I would rather have had Henry, Newman, Glenn & Davis back in coverage and RW going after Brunell in Monday night's situation myself.

Bingo, we have a winner !

 

[InmanRoshi]

Wow dude, calm down, ... I agree with what you are saying.

I just think we should always bump a speedy WR at the LOS, Roy Williams or not.

I think there are probably a lot of NFL safeties that would struggle with S. Moss running untouched right at them and past them.

I would rather have had Henry, Newman, Glenn & Davis back in coverage and RW going after Brunell in Monday night's situation myself.

We did blitz Roy all night. Including the TD drives. Way more than the average safety is ever allowed to blitz. We blitzed him on the 4th down conversion and it left a huge hole for Brunnel to convert the pass. No one ever seems to bring that up. People just act like you can blitz your safeties every single play, and there will never be any repercussions to pay for it.

How many plays do you want Roy to blitz? Every single down? Why even bother listing Roy as a safety? Never has to cover anybody and always rushing the passer, he sounds like a defensive linemen to me. I wish we would have drafted Dwight Freeney with that pick and moved him to safety. We'd get the same strengths and weaknesses with much better results.

 

[wileedog]

Blame Parcells for not bringing in a veteran free safety or drafting one.

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The guy brought in a a pro-bowl DT, 2 potential stud D-Lineman, 2 potential stud LBers, 2 backup RBs, a semi-decent upgrade at QB, a very good OG, a hopeful bargain at RT, a stud CB and a decent #3CB (who is still better than anyone he had on the roster other than Newman last year), and some insurance at WR.

We even a drafted a decent looking safety but he had a bum knee.

What the heck else do expect to get out of one offseason? There's only so much money and so many draft picks.

And what more do we have to do to cover for a #1 draft pick?

 

[Ratmatt]

Because he is a below average cover safety.You saw it all last year,and you saw it again monday night.He gets burned alot more in coverage than the other guys you just mentioned.He is a star playing around the line of scrimmage,and a liability in coverage.It sucks,but it is just a fact.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

It's because he is unabashedly mentioned as the best safety in the NFL. That changed somewhat at the end of last season when Ed Reed changed many peoples minds.

 

[scottsp]

No, sometimes players can't be protected. Sometimes they have to be able to do just the MINIMUM of what's expected from their position. Playing cover 2 zone isn't putting Roy in a bad position. Its the lowest common denominator of what's expected out of an NFL defensive back. This isn't not having enough latereal movement to get to the ball, this is letting the ball go right between your legs. This is basic fundamentals.


The Cowboys can't afford to run a 3-5-3 defense all year to protect Roy. Roy can't free lance all the time. Sometimes he's going to have to pull his weight and help the team by effectively accomplishing his assignments. Roy has to be play like a DEFENSIVE BACK when teams have abandoned the run and are obviously going to throw. Roy shouldn't be the only safety in the HISTORY OF THE NFL who never has to defend a pass. Its utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

If he really is such a poor player in coverage that he can't even play Cover 2 zone, then I can not stress enough how poor that draft pick was and how overrated Roy Williams is. He's just needs to be moved to linebacker and get it over with. Really, when people make the statement that "Roy Williams should never be asked to play Cover 2" they are making the biggest insult to Roy Williams, because in a backhanded way they are calling him a complete joke who can't even accomplish what an undrafted free agent rookie Safety should be able to do.

Really, if Roy can't play deep one single play I want someone to explain to me the difference between his position and a linebacker. Tony Dixon could get beat like a rented mule in pass protection and make occasional plays in the box when not asked to take on blockers and given a free lane to the ball carrier at all times.

I don't think you're being that unfair. I take a similar stance in that, if he can't perform the basic function of a safety in two-deep, then why play him at safety in this coverage? The coaching staff is not asking him to single up in the slot or outside. They're not even asking him to match on a tight end. Just keep everything out front. Don't bite. No reason to do so. None.

And he knows this.

And I say these things while being a huge Roy Williams fan. I love the guy. But he made a crucial mistake. One that should never happen. Unfortunately, I don't believe this will be the last of such mistakes. But I know he will make some great plays too.

I guess my question is, what exactly makes him a safety? Other than his positional listing, what is it? Where he lines up? His instincts in coverage are obviously suspect and always have been. But wow, is he not a special defensive presence within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage? Damn right he is.

But, IMO, many of IR's criticisms are valid. There are certain situations where you can't protect a player. Though, I do question the coaching staff's failure to counter an adjustment made by Washington. We all know Terrence Newman has slot responsibility. But if I am not mistaken, they placed Cooley there late in the game. This left Glenn with Santana Moss.

That doesn't sit well with me. And it doesn't excuse the aforementioned mistake. I just do not like the fact we were unable to catch on to that matchup. Just about any NFL staff will find those and do everything in their power to exploit them. We need to be a bit more dynamic in these situations, IMO.

All things considered, I pray we learn from these mistakes. I guess that would be the only thing to help me better deal with what happened on Monday.

 

[stilltheguru]

if he leaves dallas when his contract is up and goes to another team and destroys us well see whos talking this overrated crap then.


smh



i dont see what makes roy so bad in coverage and other safeties not.but whatever