Why no Escobar?

[RunDMC]

This was mind boggling to me that the Cowboys really didn't feature Escobar at all against the Falcons. The guy has been productive when given opportunities. He's a big target. He's fast, athletic, great hands, strong, can get yards after the catch, will fight for extra yards, an improved route runner. Especially considering the trouble some of the receivers had in getting separation. We talk about not being able to stretch the field, but Escobar has that ability. Send him deep down the middle of the field. At the very least he's gonna occupy some attention and take some of the load off a hobbled Witten.

Devin Street isn't giving us anything. Escobar can be used as a fourth wideout when we try and spread teams out. The guy had four TD's last year despite being used sparingly. Clearly he has no trouble getting open and being productive in the red zone. I just don't understand the unwillingness to give this guy more snaps. Witten as great as he is getting older. We saw New England use 2 TE sets with Hernandez and Gronk from 2010-2012. Dallas can do something similar with these two. Will they be as good? No especially with a backup quarterback, but will give us another dimension and make us more diverse and explosive and loosen things up for our wide outs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Probably wouldn't matter. Only people who Weeden can give the football to are Dunbar, Witten, cornerbacks and linebackers.

 

[Hoofbite]

Fast, strong, and fights for yards after the catch aren't really descriptions I'd used for Escobar.

 

[RunDMC]

Probably wouldn't matter. Only people who Weeden can give the football to are Dunbar, Witten, cornerbacks and linebackers.

Considering Weeden saw and targeted Witten going down the seams and just threw it too high I think he'll target Escobar in a similar situation and he unlike Witten can reach and make that play.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Fast, strong, and fights for yards after the catch aren't really descriptions I'd used for Escobar.

I'd probably say he fights but that's about it.

 

[RunDMC]

Fast, strong, and fights for yards after the catch aren't really descriptions I'd used for Escobar.

For a tight end he is.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Considering Weeden saw and targeted Witten going down the seams and just threw it too high I think he'll target Escobar in a similar situation and he unlike Witten can reach and make that play.

Maybe. I just think Weeden is too scared to do anything other than throw to Witten and Dunbar.

 

[Hoofbite]

For a tight end he is.

What did you think I was comparing him to?

For a TE of his size, he's weak by all accounts. The reason he didn't see the field all that much in his first 2 years was because he couldn't handle blocking assignments. Technique could be an issue but that just means he's either one of the strongest TEs out there who just happens to lack technique entirely, or he's not particularly strong and his technique can't make up the difference.

I'm not sure there's any reason to believe he's any stronger than any other player of comparable size. Yes, he is big. That's about it.

 

[Zman5]

For a tight end he is.

Yeh, he's so strong he couldn't even escape the grasp by a DB to recover his own fumble against the EaGirls

 

[chagus]

Fast, strong, and fights for yards after the catch aren't really descriptions I'd used for Escobar.

That 18 yard catch and first down he made during the preseason game vs Bears was pretty spot on for "fights for yards after catch". Just sayin.

 

[RunDMC]

What did you think I was comparing him to?

For a TE of his size, he's weak by all accounts. The reason he didn't see the field all that much in his first 2 years was because he couldn't handle blocking assignments. Technique could be an issue but that just means he's either one of the strongest TEs out there who just happens to lack technique entirely, or he's not particularly strong and his technique can't make up the difference.

I'm not sure there's any reason to believe he's any stronger than any other player of comparable size. Yes, he is big. That's about it.

Did you read my post? I never said Escobar was an adept blocker, but the dude has CLEARLY made plays in the passing game when he's actually been on there. He's showed the ability to be a red zone threat which is always valuable. What is Dallas gonna do? Just continue to trot out that pathetic recieving corp and not give a guy a chance who's shown to be a capable playmaker when others haven't? That just doesn't make any sense to me. Jimmy Graham doesn't block anybody and still get featured and often used as wideout in his career. Is Escobar as athletic? No nobody is as athletic at the TE position as Graham, but he's definitely a better option as a fourth wide reciever than Street is. He has the ability to make contested catches and our jump opposing defenders especially when things get tight in the red zone.We've seen what he can do and that's not much. Butler doesn't know the play book. You're left with Terrance Williams and Cole Beasley. If you put two tight ends in there who can make teams pay for giving up those intermediate routes then Dallas becomes a more explosive offense.

 

[RunDMC]

Yeh, he's so strong he couldn't even escape the grasp by a DB to recover his own fumble against the EaGirls

Yeah because he's the only tight end to ever allow such a thing to happen.

 

[chagus]

Geez! EVERYONE IS SO VERY PISSED AT EVERYTHING! ya'll need to chill.

 

[Zman5]

Yeah because he's the only tight end to ever allow such a thing to happen.

No. I'm sure it has happened to other weak TEs. That doesn't change the fact Escobar isn't strong.

He probably outweighs the DB by good 60-70LBS yet the DB had him in a bear hug that Escobar couldn't break out of. That is weak.

Any strong person will be able to break out of bear hug by someone who weighs 60LBS less than them.

 

[RunDMC]

No. I'm sure it has happened to other weak TEs. That doesn't change the fact Escobar isn't strong.

He probably outweighs the DB by good 60-70LBS yet the DB had him in a bear hug that Escobar couldn't break out of. That is weak.

Any strong person will be able to break out of bear hug by someone who weighs 60LBS less than them.

Yeah I suppose we should keep trotting out a scrub like Street instead of giving Escobar a chance when he's done a hell of a lot more with his poor opportunities than Street has. Receivers having trouble getting seperation, but hey let's keep one of our most dynamic pass catchers on the sideline because he made a mistake in the last game. Doesn't mean he's not strong. Dez Bryant is considered strong and he's been in similar situations and he has FUMBLED the ball. Murray has fumbled a number of times when he wasn't able to get anything more.

 

[Zman5]

Yeah I suppose we should keep trotting out a scrub like Street instead of giving Escobar a chance when he's done a hell of a lot more with his poor opportunities than Street has. Receivers having trouble getting seperation, but hey let's keep one of our most dynamic pass catchers on the sideline because he made a mistake in the last game. Doesn't mean he's not strong. Dez Bryant is considered strong and he's been in similar situations and he has FUMBLED the ball. Murray has fumbled a number of times when he wasn't able to get anything more.

What does that have to do with your false claim about Escobar being strong? Only thing I pointed out was your wrong assumption about Escobar's strength.

Why are you trying to change the subject?

 

[Joe_Fan]

It was likely because he ran for more than 5 yards down the field which made Weeden extremely uncomfortable and therefore was never an option.

 

[RunDMC]

What does that have to do with your false claim about Escobar being strong? Only thing I pointed out was your wrong assumption about Escobar's strength.

Why are you trying to change the subject?

Because it's not false. Escobar had a bad play. Like I said plenty of "strong"'players in the league have similar moments. I don't think that means he isn't strong because one bad play.

 

[AzorAhai]

I'm not sure why, but at this point I wouldn't expect any changes in his PT. If he can't get any PT with Dez out and Witten hobbled, I'm not sure he ever will.

 

[Zman5]

Because it's not false. Escobar had a bad play. Like I said plenty of "strong"'players in the league have similar moments. I don't think that means he isn't strong because one bad play.

Bad play? That wasn't just a bad play. He couldn't break the bear hug by a guy weighing 60 LBS less than him. Fumbling the ball was the bad play. Not being able to recover the fumble because he can't free himself from the DB's grasp shows his lack of strength. Pathetic.

Yeh he is so strong Hanna is in there as the blocking TE. If Escobar is strong like you say, Hanna must be Hercules.