Why Pearson isn't in the Ring of Honor

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KD;2093319 said:
From Pearson's era, the 'Boys have put guys like Roger Staubach, Tony Dorsett, Randy White, Mel Renfro, Bob Lilly, Tom Landry, and Tex Schramm into the Hall.

Some bias.
Statistically speaking, the Cowboys are still the most highly-snubbed franchise when it comes to number of Hall of Fame inductees, based on all the players who went to at least five Pro Bowls and won at least one Super Bowl.

George Andrie
Cornell Green
Charles Haley
Cliff Harris
Chuck Howley
Lee Roy Jordan
Nate Newton
John Niland
Jay Novacek
Mark Stepnoski

And those are just the players who have been retired for the necessary five years, and doesn't count guys who had outstanding careers but who did not go to as many as 5 Pro Bowls, like Harvey Martin and Bob Hayes.

In fact, there are several Hall of Famers who went to fewer than 5 Pro Bowls.

It's not hearsay about some bias. Agendas aside, and whether you think it's important or not, It's a proven fact that the Cowboys are the single most under-represented team in the Hall of Fame, at least in the Super Bowl era.

Just look at history.
 

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jimmy40;2093382 said:
I don't like Swann in the HOF either but how many Super Bowls do the Steelers win in the 70's without him?

Excellent question and I can see arguments on both sides. Swann was not the greatest WR that has ever played but he was an integral part of one of the greatest football teams that ever hit the field.

That team was one of the best, well-rounded squads ever, there wasn't a weakness anywhere.

Bradshaw wasn't the greatest QB in the world, I would think Swanns' numbers would/could have been much better if he had a better QB but............

....when all is said and done, I think the rings Swann has was as much a reason for him getting in than anything else. No disrespect to the guy, he was an excellent WR - just HOW excellent is the real question....

......IMO/FWIW............carry on...
 

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jimmy40;2093382 said:
I don't like Swann in the HOF either but how many Super Bowls do the Steelers win in the 70's without him?

well for that matter how many did they win without Randy Grossman :rolleyes:
 

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Aside from the toilet-wipe article posted by PFT, there's a lot about this situation that smells.

It's apparent that Jerry Jones is snubbing Drew and the trademark issue has been talked about a lot.

I have a real problem with Jerry's one-man committee (himself) to select the Ring of Honor members.

Hey Jerry, you may own the Cowboys, but you don't own their history!

Put together a panel consisting of Brad Sham, Frank Luksa, Roger Staubach, Rayfield Wright, Michael Irvin and some knowledgeable super fan to decide who gets in.

Apparently, Jerry's criteria is you have to be a Hall of Fame finalist (Harris) or inductee, or you have to be either dead (Hayes) or close (Schramm).

Unforunately, Drew won't make it into the Hall of Fame. And it's starting to look like he'll have to outlive Jerry Jones to get into the Ring of Honor.

This is sad and Jerry is dead wrong.
 

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Chief;2093523 said:
Aside from the toilet-wipe article posted by PFT, there's a lot about this situation that smells.

It's apparent that Jerry Jones is snubbing Drew and the trademark issue has been talked about a lot.

I have a real problem with Jerry's one-man committee (himself) to select the Ring of Honor members.

Hey Jerry, you may own the Cowboys, but you don't own their history!
:bow:

Chief;2093523 said:
Put together a panel consisting of Brad Sham, Frank Luksa, Roger Staubach, Rayfield Wright, Michael Irvin and some knowledgeable super fan to decide who gets in.
I vote for Chief as the knowledgeable super fan.

All in favor?

All opposed?

Okay, it's official. Get cracking, Chief.
Chief;2093523 said:
Apparently, Jerry's criteria is you have to be a Hall of Fame finalist (Harris) or inductee, or you have to be either dead (Hayes) or close (Schramm).

Unforunately, Drew won't make it into the Hall of Fame. And it's starting to look like he'll have to outlive Jerry Jones to get into the Ring of Honor.
I'm holding out hope that the Seniors Committee will eventually vote Pearson in, but I think you're correct about Jones' agenda, ******.

Chief;2093523 said:
This is sad and Jerry is dead wrong.
:bow: X 2
 

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The biggest crime is the ROH. You needn't put up HOF stats to get into it. Something's amiss.
 

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bbgun;2093551 said:
The biggest crime is the ROH. You needn't put up HOF stats to get into it. Something's amiss.
Something's amiss alright. Jerry Jones' commonsense.
 

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bbgun;2093551 said:
The biggest crime is the ROH. You needn't put up HOF stats to get into it. Something's amiss.

Ya know, sometimes I wonder if the ROH is a big a scam as the HOF........ mind you.......... I don't ponder long..........but the fact that I do at all is somewhat sad and unfortunate..... I hear what you're saying....
 

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the writer of that article is certainly anti-Cowboys. That is clear

btw, someone should tell the writer to get his facts straight. Rayfield Wright is in the HOF (and for good reason, it shouldnt have taken as long as it did)

I do agree that with all of the winning this franchise has done, you would think there would be more Cowboys in the hall. There has always seemed to be an anti-Cowboys bias when it comes to the HOF imo
 

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Star4Ever;2093431 said:
Pearson not being in the Ring of Honor is pathetic. Harvey Martin should also be there, as well as some others.

Too Tall Jones

it would be cool to induct one of them in the Cowboys last season in Texas Stadium. It would be pretty symbolic...but i guess that wont happen.
 

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If Drew is on the outside looking in due to a grudge, then what chance does Jimmy have?

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ZB9;2093604 said:
the writer of that article is certainly anti-Cowboys. That is clear

btw, someone should tell the writer to get his facts straight. Rayfield Wright is in the HOF (and for good reason, it shouldnt have taken as long as it did)

I do agree that with all of the winning this franchise has done, you would think there would be more Cowboys in the hall. There has always seemed to be an anti-Cowboys bias when it comes to the HOF imo
Check the article again for "POSTED 11:00 p.m. EDT, May 17, 2005".
 

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DallasEast;2093615 said:
Check the article again for "POSTED 11:00 p.m. EDT, May 17, 2005".

ha ok. My bad. It was posted a couple of years ago :abuseme:

details, details
 

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For those that do not know, I have been fortunate to see games in every season since the club began. My father had seats because of his company and I sat in the Cotton Bowl the first season.

So I understand the history of this club and the players.

I have seen comments by some that Pearson was the best receiver in franchise history, and that is just bunk. I understand favorite players and all, but Pearson, who was undoubtedly great, was not the very best.

If you do not believe Irvin was the greatest we have ever had, then go rewatch film of this guy.

He was the heart and soul of the team and THE reason Dallas won three championships.

Now I always thought it a crime that Tony Hill was the number one receiver. He was like Roy Biscuit Williams in having issues with his weight. And Pearson showed up on days when the team needed him.

But facts are facts and Irvin was the better player. T.O. is a better player, although not a player who competed all of his campaigns in the Dallas uni.

Drew was blue-collar and would make spectacular catches. But the team had so many good receivers around him at the time that he wasn't given the ball as much as he would have liked, nor us fans.

One last point. He did not push off. You watch the replay and see Nate Wright stumble over Pearson's foot when he stops for the ball.

I saw it live. I have seen it repeated many times on TV. As yet I have never seen Drew push off and Nate not stumble.

But to the point, Pearson's stats compared to Swann's is simple.

Drew Pearson


Played:
WR -- 1973-1983

College:
Tulane
Playing Stats
Season Team(s) Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles Total
Points
Rec Yds Avg TD Rush Yds Avg TD
1973 DAL 14 22 388 17.6 2 0 0 0.0 0 1 12
1974 DAL 14 62 1,087 17.5 2 3 6 2.0 0 1 18
1975 DAL 14 46 822 17.9 8 1 11 11.0 0 1 48
1976 DAL 14 58 806 13.9 6 2 20 10.0 0 1 42
1977 DAL 14 48 870 18.1 2 2 22 11.0 0 0 12
1978 DAL 16 44 714 16.2 3 3 29 9.7 0 0 18
1979 DAL 15 55 1,026 18.7 8 3 27 9.0 0 0 48
1980 DAL 16 43 568 13.2 6 2 30 15.0 0 0 36
1981 DAL 16 38 614 16.2 3 3 31 10.3 0 4 18
1982 DAL 9 26 382 14.7 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 18
1983 DAL 14 47 545 11.6 5 2 13 6.5 0 1 30
Career 156 489 7,822 16.0 48 21 189 9.0 0 9 300

Lynn Swann


Played:
WR -- 1974-1982

College:
Southern California

Hall of Fame:
2001

Playing Stats
Season Team(s) Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles Total
Points
Rec Yds Avg TD Rush Yds Avg TD
1974 PIT 11 11 208 18.9 2 1 14 14.0 0 5 18
1975 PIT 14 49 781 15.9 11 3 13 4.3 0 4 66
1976 PIT 12 28 516 18.4 3 1 2 2.0 0 0 18
1977 PIT 14 50 789 15.8 7 2 6 3.0 0 1 42
1978 PIT 16 61 880 14.4 11 1 7 7.0 0 0 66
1979 PIT 13 41 808 19.7 5 1 9 9.0 1 0 36
1980 PIT 13 44 710 16.1 7 1 -4 -4.0 0 0 42
1981 PIT 13 13 34 2.6 505 0 0 0.0 0 0 3030
1982 PIT 9 18 265 14.7 0 1 25 25.0 0 0 0
Career 115 315 4,991 15.8 551 11 72 6.5 1 10 3,318



Pearson - Career 156 489 7,822 16.0 48 21 189 9.0 0 9 300

Swann - Career 115 315 4,991 15.8 51 11 72 6.5 1 10 3,318

Swann may have played on the greatest football team ever before the 90's Cowboys to achieve those stats. He just isn't as good.
 

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why does drew pearson need do be in the cowboys ring of honor, when he already has his own ring of honor? what he did was just low. unless he comes out and apologize to the dallas cowboys and jerry jones publicly, then he can play in his own ring of dishonor.
 

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KD;2093319 said:
Pearson simply doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. His legacy would be well served if he'd suture his mouth shut.

Florio's the one who needs his mouth sutured shut... he seems to think juvenile sarcasm is an adequate substitute for rational analysis... his rag is the National Enquirer of football websites, utterly lacking in anything resembling credibility... he's the Jim Rome of online football analysts, IOW a braying jacka$$...
 

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J-DOG;2093391 said:
I remember the 70's and I have seen the game change. To compare numbers from wr's that played in the 90's to the wr's who played in the 70's is idiotic.
Rule changes and offensive styles have changed dramatically in that time span.

In addition, the Cowboys had a LOT of other options offensively back then... excellent running game, backs and tight ends who could catch the ball, and fine complementary receivers... being surrounded by such exceptional talent naturally cut into the number of touches Drew was gonna see in the course of a season...

And Lynn Swann got in because he was surrounded by exceptional talent, too... absent all those Super Bowl wins, his numbers don't put him in the HOF, and he was hardly the only reason, or even the major reason, why the Steelers won all those Super Bowls...

So that argument is quite bogus... Drew has more catches, more yards than Swann, the ONLY statistical advantage Lynn has is in Super Bowl rings... and that's more a function of the team around you than a tribute to any individual player's ability...
 

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I just can't see how Lynn Swann can be in the HOF and Pearson be on the outside looking in. It's pathetic if you ask me. They played in the exact same era and Pearson was the better player........ it makes no sense.
 

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My father has met Drew Pearson and saw him play live many times. He also has an autographed pin pennant in his study from Drew. All I have ever heard is that the guy was amazing. Irvin was great for his era, but I think it's tough to compare guys from different eras. The game changes in many suttle ways that add up to big changes. Pearson was an amazing receiver and should be recognized by the HOF.
 
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