Why Pearson isn't in the Ring of Honor

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bbgun;2095880 said:
Does that include post-season stats? After all, Swann's a Hall of Famer (principally) for his January exploits.

No post season Hill has 4 TD.

No doubt Swann made the HOF off what he did in Jan as much or even more than he did in the reg season. Swann was considered the Jerry Rice of his time.

Myself I never have begrudged Swann making the HOF. However when talking ROH it just seem as if no one mentions Tony Hill who played alongside Pearson and actually has the better numbers between the 2 but no one mentions Tony Hill in terms of the ROH let alone the HOF. As for being a clutch WR Hill made quite a few of his own.
 

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Doomsday101;2095885 said:
No post season Hill has 4 TD.

No doubt Swann made the HOF off what he did in Jan as much or even more than he did in the reg season. Swann was considered the Jerry Rice of his time.

Myself I never have begrudged Swann making the HOF. However when talking ROH it just seem as if no one mentions Tony Hill who played alongside Pearson and actually has the better numbers between the 2 but no one mentions Tony Hill in terms of the ROH let alone the HOF. As for being a clutch WR Hill made quite a few of his own.

I think Drew gets the nod because of his signature plays (Hail Mary, Clint Longley game, etc.) and his "All 70's Team" inclusion. Tony, of course, had his moments--like catching Roger's last TD in the miracle comeback over the Skins.
 

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BuckyG;2095254 said:
Drew Pearson was a great football player who, like a lot of great football players, doesn't merit the Hall of Fame...90% of great players don't merit the Hall. Only the best of the best do.
Aye, but here's the rub...

In 1980, Pearson, Harvey Martin, and Cliff Harris were voted to the All-Decade Team by the members of the Hall of Fame selection committee. There are 45 players on that team, and only six of them who have SB rings are not in the Hall of Fame. A Steeler, A Raider, a Dolphin, and 3 Cowboys!

There are as many St. Louis Cardinals from the All-70's Team in the HOF (3) as there are Cowboys. That was in a decade in which Dallas won 14 of 21 playoff games, including two Super Bowls. The Cardinals were 0-2 in the playoffs in that decade.

What do Harris, Pearson, and Martin have in common, besides wearing the star?

(And for that matter, what do All-70's Teammates Pearson and Martin have in common, besides not being in the Ring of Honor?)
 

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Hostile;2094022 said:
Chuck Howley was a 7 time All Pro and a 6 time Pro Bowl honoree on top of being a Super Bowl MVP and probably having the best back to back Super Bowl performances any defensive player ever had.
This is where the Swann "but look at what he did in the post season" argument falls flat on its face. And Howley went to twice as many Pro Bowls as Swann.
 

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percyhoward;2095977 said:
This is where the Swann "but look at what he did in the post season" argument falls flat on its face. And Howley went to twice as many Pro Bowls as Swann.

A LB will never best a WR in the "ooh and ahh" department. Sportswriters, like anyone else, prefer flash.
 

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bbgun;2095985 said:
A LB will never best a WR in the "ooh and ahh" department. Sportswriters, like anyone else, prefer flash.
Unless the WR is Pearson and the LB is 49er Dave Wilcox.
 

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percyhoward;2096001 said:
Unless the WR is Pearson and the LB is 49er Dave Wilcox.

Similarly, a lot of marginal candidates on offense will get in before Haley.
 

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bbgun;2096008 said:
Similarly, a lot of marginal candidates on offense will get in before Haley.
Not seeing how that's similar, to what I said anyway.
 

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percyhoward;2095977 said:
This is where the Swann "but look at what he did in the post season" argument falls flat on its face. And Howley went to twice as many Pro Bowls as Swann.
Exactly, and the WR still needs the QB to get the ball to him for something to happen.

Howley simply went out and made stuff happen.
 

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percyhoward;2095956 said:
Aye, but here's the rub...

In 1980, Pearson, Harvey Martin, and Cliff Harris were voted to the All-Decade Team by the members of the Hall of Fame selection committee.
Yes, that's the singular point of emphasis right there. These aren't two separate groups picking-and-choosing two sets of great players. It is only one group and it is very questionable how they can elevate some great players to the Hall and deny other great players entry. IMO, the best example of this idiotic philosophy is highlighted by the exclusion of Cliff Harris.

As a group, the selection committee voted Harris as one of the top two safeties which played in the 1970's. Harris' career began in 1970 and ended in 1979.

:banghead:

Every year Harris played in the NFL fell within the confines of the very same decade the selection committee proclaimed him as a great player at his position during those same 10 years. What the heck more can be said? Unreal.
 

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DallasEast;2096169 said:
It is only one group and it is very questionable how they can elevate some great players to the Hall and deny other great players entry.
They somehow claim to know more about guys who played 20 years ago, than history itself does.

Again, from that All-70's team: 3 of the 6 Cowboys made it, and all 3 Cardinals made it. Going to the Hall of Fame would lead one to believe that the degree of success for those two franchises in the 70's was about the same.
 

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percyhoward;2095956 said:
In 1980, Pearson, Harvey Martin, and Cliff Harris were voted to the All-Decade Team by the members of the Hall of Fame selection committee. There are 45 players on that team, and only six of them who have SB rings are not in the Hall of Fame. A Steeler, A Raider, a Dolphin, and 3 Cowboys!

There are 22 position players who were named FIRST TEAM All-Decade for the 1970s. Twenty of them are in the Hall of Fame. The other two are Cliff Harris and Drew Pearson.

Meanwhile, SECOND-TEAMERS at their positions have been voted in before them.
 
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