Why people continue to talk about trading Ellis

Galian Beast

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First let me say I am one of the biggest Ellis fans out there. But I am a bigger Dallas Cowboys fan. So I care more about what is in the clubs best interest. I also think he could be primier player in a 4-3 club that simply lets him rush the passer.

#1 This is Greg Ellis' final year under contract
#2 Greg Ellis is making a lot of money (For a backup anyways)
#3 We have become stocked at defensive end with the drafting of Hatcher
#4 Greg Ellis has trade value
#5 We probably won't be able to resign Ellis after this year.
#6 I'd rather see Hatcher get playing time than Ellis (for the futures sake (sack)).


That said I think I'd like to see us trade Ellis for a veteran guard. That would tighten up our offense, and give us a more realistic opportunity to win a super bowl this year. We should have traded him before the draft, and signed Bentley.
 

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Galian Beast said:
First let me say I am one of the biggest Ellis fans out there. But I am a bigger Dallas Cowboys fan. So I care more about what is in the clubs best interest. I also think he could be primier player in a 4-3 club that simply lets him rush the passer.

#1 This is Greg Ellis' final year under contract
#2 Greg Ellis is making a lot of money (For a backup anyways)
#3 We have become stocked at defensive end with the drafting of Hatcher
#4 Greg Ellis has trade value
#5 We probably won't be able to resign Ellis after this year.
#6 I'd rather see Hatcher get playing time than Ellis (for the futures sake (sack)).


That said I think I'd like to see us trade Ellis for a veteran guard. That would tighten up our offense, and give us a more realistic opportunity to win a super bowl this year. We should have traded him before the draft, and signed Bentley.
A good analysis and it pretty much reflects my position on the issue. I too am a big Ellis fan but it might be best for all concerned...including Ellis...if we moved him. Especially as you said if we could get a solid player for the OL for him.
 

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but will there be any takers knowing he only has 1 more year until he is free? im fine with it either way, if he stays he provides vet leadership and is a fine player, if he leaves i hope we see something for it

thanks for all the hard work greg, sorry that you had to be compared to moss
 

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koolaid said:
but will there be any takers knowing he only has 1 more year until he is free? im fine with it either way, if he stays he provides vet leadership and is a fine player, if he leaves i hope we see something for it

thanks for all the hard work greg, sorry that you had to be compared to moss

Sure any team that thinks they are a consistent pass rusher away from being an elite defense. Just as long as he isn't sent to the NFC east.

I am sure the Rams would be interested since little cant stay out of the bottle.
 

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koolaid said:
but will there be any takers knowing he only has 1 more year until he is free? im fine with it either way, if he stays he provides vet leadership and is a fine player, if he leaves i hope we see something for it

thanks for all the hard work greg, sorry that you had to be compared to moss
There could be takers. If they trade for him now they have a better chance of getting him cheaper for the long term with an extension during the season than if he hits the open market. Any 4-3 team looking for help with the pass rush at DE should be taking a real close look at dealing for him.
 

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Galian Beast said:
#1 This is Greg Ellis' final year under contract
#2 Greg Ellis is making a lot of money (For a backup anyways)

Ellis signed a 7 year contract extension in 2003 for $24 million. So no, this isn't his final year and his contract was front loaded with $13.4 million in the first three years.

The rest of his contract is dirt cheap.
 

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Galian Beast said:
#1 This is Greg Ellis' final year under contract

Ellis has 4 more years on his existing contract

#2 Greg Ellis is making a lot of money (For a backup anyways)

Greg Ellis' salaries are:
2006 2250000.00
2007 2500000.00
2008 3325000.00
2009 4150000.00

It is hard to sign guys who consistently get 7-9 sacks per year for that little coin. He also is an everydown lineman in the 4-3 to boot who can play the run well and bats down quite a few passes.
#3 We have become stocked at defensive end with the drafting of Hatcher
#4 Greg Ellis has trade value

I would agree with those statements. I would also add that Ellis' value is at its highest right now because teams would be giving up a future draft pick and getting a productive player right now for a reasonable salary. The problem with keeping Ellis another year is his production may decline from lack of playing time thus diminishing his value in the eyes of other GMs around the league.

The problem with trading Ellis right now is he is our second best pass rusher on a team that just gave up its third best pass rusher (Glover) in the offseason. This is supposedly Parcells last year and if we want the defense to be championship caliber this year we will need Ellis.

#6 I'd rather see Hatcher get playing time than Ellis (for the futures sake (sack)).

The only thing is that I think they want to take a shot at all this year. Hatcher probably rides the pine this year.

That said I think I'd like to see us trade Ellis for a veteran guard. That would tighten up our offense, and give us a more realistic opportunity to win a super bowl this year. We should have traded him before the draft, and signed Bentley.

I don't think a guard helps us out that much this year. Rivera and Kosier are going to be the starters. A tackle would probably have been of more use as I'm not sold on Pettiti and worry about Fabini's health.
 

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I don't think a guard helps us out that much this year. Rivera and Kosier are going to be the starters. A tackle would probably have been of more use as I'm not sold on Pettiti and worry about Fabini's health.

Come on now - you wouldn't take a better guard than Kosier if we could get it? Ask Lions fans... he's okay, but he ain't 16-game-a-year starting material. He's probably going to be rotated anyway.
 

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I like the idea of having 4 guys to rotate for 2 DE positions.
 

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Come on now - you wouldn't take a better guard than Kosier if we could get it? Ask Lions fans... he's okay, but he ain't 16-game-a-year starting material. He's probably going to be rotated anyway.

I think Kosier is going to be alright and if he isn't we still have Gurode and Peterman to compete for the spot.

Tackle is a potential disaster if Fabini isn't healthy because I really don't trust Pettiti, Columbo or the rookies.
 

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I like the idea of having 4 guys to rotate for 2 DE positions.

Yeah, this is a little early to be getting rid of any of our DEs. What happens with just one injury? These things build up....the Cowboys had 5 LBs on IR at the end of the season. Two injuries to the DE rotation and it would be bad. So, no precipitous trading of Ellis. What til camp is in full swing, you have a better idea of how things are going to play out, and other teams might come in to more need of a good DE. In any case, you got to have depth for the stretch run, so I am not too keen on getting rid of steady vets...

I mean, look what happened to the OLine when just one guy went out.
 

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Now thats a good comment, I say two things first , do not trade him yet.
first, he is the only vet on defensive ends that we have with experience. I am sure your all aware of when Parcells pulled Ellis at the end of the year, along with Glover, and our defense suffered. True, Dat was hurt with Singleton, but thats just my point. Remember when we had our young great defensive line in 91, Tolbert, Jones, Jeffcoat, Lett- the youngest pup. WE all suffered through growing pains with them from 89 to 90.

IN 92, we got Casillas, and Haley, then what happened, Super Bowl. A fierce pass rush, with Maryland too. But experience was on defensive line. Then, think about 73, 74, with Ed Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin, youth was good, but we surrered experience wise, It generally takes a young defensive line 3 years to get to the top. Think about the steel curtain, with Mean Joe Green, it took them 3 years to jell with experience.

Marcus Spears one year experience, Chris Canty one year experience, DeMarcus Ware one year experience, Ratliff 1/2 year experience, Coleman about 4 years of experience, but just a good run blocker, not good pass rusher. Thomas one year experience, WHOM MAY I ADD IS OUR MOST EXPERIENCED DEFENSIVE LINEMAN-GREG ELLIS.

Only way I trade Ellis, say some team offers us a # 1 draft pick, which is highly unlikely, best you can get for him is a #2, or # 3 pick, or say some team, that has a ALL PRO OFFENSIVE GUARD, OR ALL PRO DEFENSIVE END wants out, too, and he is about 27-28, then I say yes. But he needs to be a young offensive lineman. Say someone like Robert Gallery with Raiders, or Bryant McKinnie with Vikings or Leonard Davis with Cardinals. Someone that is just right on edge of ALL PRO, or is, and they want out too.

To me, we do need a young dominant offensive linemen, or dominant WR, our young defense is being built, if not this year, our defense will be NASTY IN 2007. I am talking about a defense like steel curtain, or doomsday with ed jones, harvey martin, thomas henderson, john dutton, randy white, bob brunig, etc. Then you offset that with a young offense like Dallas trio of Emmitt Smith, Micheal Irwin & Troy Aikman with Mark Stepnoski, Erik Williams, Nate Newton, Jay Novachek.

So, I say wait, sometimes teams get hurt, like we did last year, when Flozell went down, then Riveria got hurt, and they dont have a good backup left offensive tackle. Some team may have their star defensive linemen go down, and need Greg Ellis, then you can make that trade. If not, if this team is going to be as good as I think it is. Then, Ellis will still get his sacks, etc, make the Super Bowl, then you can trade him the following year, with Super Bowl honors to some team that would pay for him. Since someone pointed out, that we have him under contract with a 7 year extension in 2003.

So, I say wait, see what happens this year, either some other teams star defensive player goes down, then Ellis has great value, or we go to the Super Bowl like I think we will and Ellis would have better trade value in the draft. At least a # 2 pick, with maybe a 4th or 5th rounder, maybe even future consideration the next year.
 

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Eskimo said:
I think Kosier is going to be alright and if he isn't we still have Gurode and Peterman to compete for the spot.

Tackle is a potential disaster if Fabini isn't healthy because I really don't trust Pettiti, Columbo or the rookies.

Fabini is reported to be 100% from the trainers and ready to go. the tackles in the third wouldnt have been better than Pettiti.
 

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It's not only that but Ellis continues to whine and moan even to this very day about wanted to be traded due to increased competition.

He's turning out into one of the biggest whiners player wise that we've had on this team in quite some time.
 

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Come on now - you wouldn't take a better guard than Kosier if we could get it? Ask Lions fans... he's okay, but he ain't 16-game-a-year starting material. He's probably going to be rotated anyway.
like the lions or their team or gm knows a damn thing about talent. anyone could rot away in that abyss.
 

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The reason people talk about trading Ellis is because we no longer have Designated Dex (Dexter Coakley) to talk about trading.

People always want to talk about trading someone for something.
 

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Galian Beast said:
First let me say I am one of the biggest Ellis fans out there. But I am a bigger Dallas Cowboys fan. So I care more about what is in the clubs best interest. I also think he could be primier player in a 4-3 club that simply lets him rush the passer.

#1 This is Greg Ellis' final year under contract
#2 Greg Ellis is making a lot of money (For a backup anyways)
#3 We have become stocked at defensive end with the drafting of Hatcher
#4 Greg Ellis has trade value
#5 We probably won't be able to resign Ellis after this year.
#6 I'd rather see Hatcher get playing time than Ellis (for the futures sake (sack)).


That said I think I'd like to see us trade Ellis for a veteran guard. That would tighten up our offense, and give us a more realistic opportunity to win a super bowl this year. We should have traded him before the draft, and signed Bentley.

Great idea....shore up the offensive line by trading Ellis.....Mr. Jones are you reading the Zone?
 

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It's not just about how he fits in the 3-4 allignment. You need Ellis on defensive special teams formations as well, where you don't use a 3-4. He brings veteran leadership and solid ability at a low cap hit. And that he fits a 4-3 scheme means he brings verstility also. Wht trade that away for OL? If you do you fill one hole (maybe/maybe not) but defenitely create another. Makes no sense. Keep him; Period; End!

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It's not only that but Ellis continues to whine and moan even to this very day about wanted to be traded due to increased competition.

He's turning out into one of the biggest whiners player wise that we've had on this team in quite some time.

What in the world are you talking about? Ellis is the definition of a pro.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
The reason people talk about trading Ellis is because we no longer have Designated Dex (Dexter Coakley) to talk about trading.

People always want to talk about trading someone for something.

Lets trade Scott Shanle for a roast beef sandwich.......... sorry, haven't had breakfast yet.
 
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