Why Roy Williams and Tony are not connecting

[Juke99]

Roy's like a poor mans Key Johnson and that ain't all that good.

Yep. Very physical. That's pretty clear. He's got more speed than Johnson.

I'm hating the thought that Jerry got played by the LIONS!

 

[JonJon]

I attempted to have a conversation about this a few weeks back...specifically, saying that I've never read so much being made about a QB and a WR needing to get their timing down...and well, I seemed to be in a minority about this.

I dunno...I see a kid here in NY who already has a better chemistry with Braylon Edwards...not that their numbers have been great...but they're better than Romo and Williams.

And that old guy in Minnesota doesn't seem to be having too many problems with his new WR's.

I'm thinking maybe, just maybe, Roy Williams ain't that good.

I hope this is not the case. I am holding out labeling him as not being good at least until the end of the season.

I hope he is just having timing/trust issues along with nagging issues that are holding him back, while hoping he will get it together in time for the post season.

 

[Sportsbabe]

My personal thoughts are that Roy Williams is still having trouble running the correct routes. A lot of the successful connections between he and Romo have been where Romo can see Roy's path prior to throwing the football (like the post pattern against the Bucs), but the quick breaks and hot routes have been hit and miss. The good news is that this is correctable, but the question is "when" this correction will occur and when these two can get in sync.

I am not standing up for Roy, because it has certainly been long enough that he and Tony should be in tune by now, but I am saying that if they get in tune come November and December, then Roy and Miles could prove to be a very scary combo at the wide-out position.

Just one member's opinion.

Bottom line, Tony doesn't trust Roy to be where he's supposed to be. Tony doesn't like throwing INT's ... contrary to popular belief.

 

[Duane]

Yep. Very physical. That's pretty clear. He's got more speed than Johnson.

I'm hating the thought that Jerry got played by the LIONS!

What do you expect by now my friend?

He's great at making money but horrible as a GM. And the owner isn't firing the GM anytime soon so all we can do is hope that he learns from his mistakes.

 

[Big Dakota]

Yep. Very physical. That's pretty clear. He's got more speed than Johnson.

I'm hating the thought that Jerry got played by the LIONS!

Jerry didn't learn a damn thing from the Galloway trade. If the Lions wanted to dump him we should have offered a 2nd and 5th. 1 and 3 is bringing the KY to the party.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The question is on the actual misses from Romo to Roy. They appeared to be waaayyy off, especially considering how "on target" Romo was with the rest of his throws.

Um, Romo is a favorite of mine. But I must object. Romo is waaayyy off a lot of the time


My personal thoughts are that Roy Williams is still having trouble running the correct routes.

Dude, Roy Williams' trouble is not with running correct routes. It is . . . how shall I put it . . . um . . . ROY''S DROPPING THE BALL!!!!!!

Honestly, if RW was a supporting actor who came to us at minimum cost I could let his drops go. I'd chalk it up to You get what you pay for. But this bust of a player cost plenty. And he's not producing. Crayfish has never been a favorite of mine but I have to say that Crayfish shows up for EVERY game, he works at it and he didn't cost us an arm and a peg leg in the draft. And he pouts a lot less than RW and he does not seem to feel entitlted to star billing like RW. Roy was king at Permian Basin High. He was king at UT and he feels entitled. But it turns out he's no T.O. He's no Irving. My God, he is not even a Crayfish.

 

[tunahelper]

Never? How about on a slant?

You got me. I meant as a rule, but Roy stated it first over the summer, so I guess you know better?

 

[DallasEast]

You got me. I meant as a rule, but Roy stated it first over the summer, so I guess you know better?

I've seen Roy Williams get good separation. Williams stated over the summer that he never got good separation?

 

[Biggems]

only 1 reason.......Roy is dropping the ball when Romo throws it to him. You need no other explanation. If Roy catches that TD on the jump ball earlier this year, as well as the two he dropped on Sunday, none of this nonsense is even an issue.

I feel that Roy would have caught the first one if he would have had his hands reversed. He was running an in route from the left side of the formation. When he went to catch the ball, he had his right hand above his left. Had his left hand been on top, he would have formed a basket for the ball to drop into.

 

[tunahelper]

I've seen Roy Williams get good separation. Williams stated over the summer that he never got good separation?

Go review what he said I am not trying to convince you. Some of you want to argue so much it really is telling about your personal lives? See ya!

 

[DallasEast]

Go review what he said I am not trying to convince you. Some of you want to argue so much it really is telling about your personal lives? See ya!

Bye.

Williams probably did not say that.

 

[BHendri5]

Ibelieve they will start clicking as soon as Roy's ribs let him play with out pain and being gun shy. Roy does not need to become a decent route runner all of a sudden, he just needs to be in the spot that Romo expects him to be, however he get there.
Romo needs to trust Roy. Roy has great hands he snatches the ball out of the air, I have seen him do it here in Austin many many times. But Roy needs to give himself time to heal, he will not help the team down the stretch if he cannot get the proper rest to heal those ribs. He needs to sit and let the other receivers prove to the staff that they to can help the team.

 

[FLcowboy]

Williams was avoiding contact against Atlanta, especially after he was called for Off PI. I think he also doesn't like going over the middle, especially with his bruised ribs.

 

[zrinkill]

Bye.

Williams probably did not say that.

:laugh2:

 

[Eskimo]

I attempted to have a conversation about this a few weeks back...specifically, saying that I've never read so much being made about a QB and a WR needing to get their timing down...and well, I seemed to be in a minority about this.

I dunno...I see a kid here in NY who already has a better chemistry with Braylon Edwards...not that their numbers have been great...but they're better than Romo and Williams.

And that old guy in Minnesota doesn't seem to be having too many problems with his new WR's.

I'm thinking maybe, just maybe, Roy Williams ain't that good.

Bingo - the amount of excuses this guy generates is obscene versus his level of play as a member of this team. 28 catches for less than 500 yards in the equivalent of a season for a guy making $9M/yr - those are Stepfret Williams (WR) types of numbers.

This guy is just done.

We should move on and put him on the bench. He can compete with Hurd and Ogletree for #3WR position.

 

[Eskimo]

Roy's like a poor mans Key Johnson and that ain't all that good.

The parts that he does have are height, and poor football speed.

The part he doesn't have unfortunately is toughness.

 

[Eskimo]

Yep. Very physical. That's pretty clear. He's got more speed than Johnson.

I'm hating the thought that Jerry got played by the LIONS!

Juke, he may have more long speed than Key but he is painfully slow getting out of his breaks for the curls. Furthermore, his speed is never respected by the CB on those curls - they sit on the route either because they aren't afraid of him blowing by them or he doesn't sell the route enough.

Thus despite his 4.4 numbers, he plays the equivalent of about 4.6 to 4.8.

 

[Eskimo]

Jerry didn't learn a damn thing from the Galloway trade. If the Lions wanted to dump him we should have offered a 2nd and 5th. 1 and 3 is bringing the KY to the party.

Jerry was worried they were either going to franchise him at the end of the year (very unlikely) or trade him to someone else (no other GM in the league dumb enough to give up a 1st for him). Jerry definitely got played and this was not the first time and it won't be the last time either.

He is a very good owner - to bad he is such a horrible GM.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jerry was worried they were either going to franchise him at the end of the year (very unlikely) or trade him to someone else (no other GM in the league dumb enough to give up a 1st for him). Jerry definitely got played and this was not the first time and it won't be the last time either.

He is a very good owner - to bad he is such a horrible GM.

I wouldn't say horrible, he listens and makes some good, even great, signings, but there are times where he can't take his eye off that one player, and has to have him, Roy is just that player

 

[Mavs Man]

Bob Sturm has a good breakdown over at the D Magazine blog. Roy Williams only catches the ball 40% of the time that Romo throws to him. Austin catches about 60%, and Witten is just money (80%), especially on 3rd down (100% this year on 8 throws, all caught, 5 for first downs).

if I was Romo, I'd throw to Witten or Austin, too.