Why Smith over Constanzo?

[28 Joker]

I stopped reading at "strongest hand punch", which is just a bold faced lie. Smith has a lot if things in his favor, a strong punch is not one of them.

Go read what Bryan Broaddus said about his hand punch. Calling me a liar is pretty low. I'll get you a link. By the way Broaddus drafted Tra Thomas for the Eagles at 11, and he is a former NFL scout.

 

[supercowboy8]

I stopped reading at "strongest hand punch", which is just a bold faced lie. Smith has a lot if things in his favor, a strong punch is not one of them.

actually his hand punch is quite strong. I have seen many games as when Tyron Smith knocks defenders back with one punch in pass protection. He has real long arms and a great punch. My only problem with Smith is when people call him a LT. He isn't a LT right now I don't want him to play LT next year, in 5 years lets see where he is. You can argue taking a RT at 9 but San Fran took Davis at 11 last year. My other problem with Smith is in run blocking, he can get to the second level no problem, its his initial off the line hit. He goes to high at times and miss his block. But thats just coaching which he will get. I wouldn't draft him at 9 if I needed a LT this year, but he can come in and start day one at RT.

I'm sick of all this talk and just ready for the draft.

 

[28 Joker]

I stopped reading at "strongest hand punch", which is just a bold faced lie. Smith has a lot if things in his favor, a strong punch is not one of them.

You need to do your research before you call me a liar, Count Dracula. Seasme Street 101..Get your ducks in a row before you count them.

Broaddus on Tyron Smith's hand punch:

Has (Castonzo) better punch in the running game than he does in pass protection. Smith has the best punch of the tackles I have seen.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowb...raft-watch-boston-college-ot-anthony-castonzo


Broaddus on Carimi's hand puch:

Mauler, brawler type of player that is a push/shove blocker. He will try to hammer his man at the point of attack with a physical punch, but there are times where he really lacks sustain to finish the block.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4679038/draft-watch-wisconsin-ot-gabe-carimi

By the way, Broaddus pretty much nails Carimi on this report. Carimi is nothing more than a mauler (who doesn't excell in space) and push/shove blocker.

Tyron Smith has a very strong, jolting hand punch. That information is out there.

 

[supercowboy8]

Go read what Bryan Broaddus said about his hand punch. Calling me a liar is pretty low. I'll get you a link. By the way Broaddus drafted Tra Thomas for the Eagles at 11, and he is a former NFL scout.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4679067/draft-watch-usc-ot-tyron-smith

all I could find

 

[gimmesix]

actually his hand punch is quite strong. I have seen many games as when Tyron Smith knocks defenders back with one punch in pass protection. He has real long arms and a great punch. My only problem with Smith is when people call him a LT. He isn't a LT right now I don't want him to play LT next year, in 5 years lets see where he is. You can argue taking a RT at 9 but San Fran took Davis at 11 last year. My other problem with Smith is in run blocking, he can get to the second level no problem, its his initial off the line hit. He goes to high at times and miss his block. But thats just coaching which he will get. I wouldn't draft him at 9 if I needed a LT this year, but he can come in and start day one at RT.

I'm sick of all this talk and just ready for the draft.

I have no problem taking a right tackle at 9. I just don't want Dallas to take a potential right tackle at 9 who fails to live up to that potential.

I'm fine if that doesn't describe Smith, as 41 says, but I'd rather go with the safe guy who might never be a Pro Bowler than the potential bust if it does.

I just wanted some assurances that Smith is not just another Alex Barron-type who wows with his athletic potential but doesn't know how to use it.

 

[28 Joker]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4679067/draft-watch-usc-ot-tyron-smith

all I could find

That is a good one. Think about the explosive outside runner that Felix Jones is for the Cowboys and think about Garrett wanting to attack vertically and compare that Smith report to his Carimi report.

 

[supercowboy8]

I have no problem taking a right tackle at 9. I just don't want Dallas to take a potential right tackle at 9 who fails to live up to that potential.

I'm fine if that doesn't describe Smith, as 41 says, but I'd rather go with the safe guy who might never be a Pro Bowler than the potential bust if it does.

I just wanted some assurances that Smith is not just another Alex Barron-type who wows with his athletic potential but doesn't know how to use it.

no Smith is no where near Barron. Barron is slow.

Smith isn't a potential starter at RT. He is a starting RT, now he is a potential LT. Costanzo isn't a RT, he doesn't have the strength I don't think. If I had to take a day one starting LT I would take Castanzo or Sherrod due to their experience at LT. At RT I would take Smith or Carimi.

 

[28 Joker]

I have no problem taking a right tackle at 9. I just don't want Dallas to take a potential right tackle at 9 who fails to live up to that potential.

I'm fine if that doesn't describe Smith, as 41 says, but I'd rather go with the safe guy who might never be a Pro Bowler than the potential bust if it does.

I just wanted some assurances that Smith is not just another Alex Barron-type who wows with his athletic potential but doesn't know how to use it.

Here is a really good breakdown of Tyron Smith's game from Greg Gabriel (National Fooball Post). He talks about his hand punch and power.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Tyron-Smith-and-Nate-Solder.html

In pass protection he sets very quickly with excellent lateral movement. You always see him in good football position. He has a strong base with very good knee bend. He can slide laterally to mirror and can shift his weight and move back to the inside. He has good hand use, keeping his hands inside with a compact punch. With his power he easily handles bull rushers.

People can like Smith or not. I don't care. I have a strong conviction about the player's fit in Dallas. I don't like being called a liar, though. That really isn't necessary. You didn't do that.

 

[UnoDallas]

Because of his weight, Tyron gets the tag as a finesse player but is actually a much better run blocker than he gets credit for. He has very good natural strength,gets consistent push in the run game and is more than just a positional blocker. He's also one of the best OT's at the second level I can remember in recent years. Now I'm not under the impression that he's going to overpower guys at the next level (especially when he drops back down to 285 as the season goes on) but he'll be a stronger, more physical run blocker than D'Brick was early on in his career.
Tyron Smith shut down a top 10 pick in Cameron Jordan.

Charles Johnson was the LT when Tyron Smith first moved to RT.

And Matt Kalil was Smith's back-up all of '09 despite being a year and a half older.

Lane Kiffen moved Kalil to LT last season instead of Smith because he knew Kalil would be coming back in 2011.

Kalil red shirted as a freshman while the younger Smith was active and then backed Smith up the following season.

Don't try to play the LT card.

If Kalil was better, he'd have gotten on the field sooner.

He couldn't take RT from Smith and had to wait his turn.

And Kalil will be a first round selection when he goes pro, IMO, he's a good player.


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f0551a/USC-pro-day-report?module=HP_video

 

[gimmesix]

no Smith is no where near Barron. Barron is slow.

Smith isn't a potential starter at RT. He is a starting RT, now he is a potential LT. Costanzo isn't a RT, he doesn't have the strength I don't think. If I had to take a day one starting LT I would take Castanzo or Sherrod due to their experience at LT. At RT I would take Smith or Carimi.

Barron was not considered slow coming out of college. His bio reads a lot like Smith's, except his knocks are a little worse.

The problem with Barron is not speed, but his football IQ. He guesses on what the defensive lineman is going to do and gets himself out of position and can't adjust. Bad form plus bad IQ equals bad player.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I just wanted some assurances that Smith is not just another Alex Barron-type who wows with his athletic potential but doesn't know how to use it.

Here's a related kind of question... I still don't see why everyone is so sold on Smith but most people think Solder, who has a very similar profile as a very rangy, athletic guy who hasn't yet reached his potential, is a bum.

And all this as Von Miller, who most people consider the best passrusher in the draft, said Solder was better than the two tackles taken #4 and #6 overall in last year's draft.

I have no reason to favor Solder -- I dislike Colorado a lot, and will miss the Big 12 being able to beat up on them -- but I just don't see the logic here. I guess it's all that Smith is 20 years old.

 

[supercowboy8]

Barron was not considered slow coming out of college. His bio reads a lot like Smith's, except his knocks are a little worse.

The problem with Barron is not speed, but his football IQ. He guesses on what the defensive lineman is going to do and gets himself out of position and can't adjust. Bad form plus bad IQ equals bad player.

I don't care what his scouting bio said all I remember is what I saw from Barron when he played in college and he was slow. He might have been a athletic freak but on the field he was slow off the snap.

I don't see any Barron in Smith. I see more of a Ferguson, Jason Smith, and Ryan Clady.

 

[gimmesix]

Here's a related kind of question... I still don't see why everyone is so sold on Smith but most people think Solder, who has a very similar profile as a very rangy, athletic guy who hasn't yet reached his potential, is a bum.

And all this as Von Miller, who most people consider the best passrusher in the draft, said Solder was better than the two tackles taken #4 and #6 overall in last year's draft.

I have no reason to favor Solder -- I dislike Colorado a lot, and will miss the Big 12 being able to beat up on them -- but I just don't see the logic here. I guess it's all that Smith is 20 years old.

I read he looked bad in Senior Bowl practices and the game, was beaten a lot.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't care what his scouting bio said all I remember is what I saw from Barron when he played in college and he was slow. He might have been a athletic freak but on the field he was slow off the snap.

I don't see any Barron in Smith. I see more of a Ferguson, Jason Smith, and Ryan Clady.

Fair enough.

 

[gimmesix]

BTW, I'm officially amped for the draft. I usually start champing at the bit over it before March ends, but I think the lockout/decertification crap caused it to sneak up on me this year.

That's good in a way because I won't have to fixate on it as long as I usually do.

 

[TheCount]

Go read what Bryan Broaddus said about his hand punch. Calling me a liar is pretty low. I'll get you a link. By the way Broaddus drafted Tra Thomas for the Eagles at 11, and he is a former NFL scout.

I wasn't calling YOU anything.

Smith's punch is unimpressive and he is susceptible to power. Smith is the quintessential "Wall-Off" blocker. He's capable of taking a guy out of a play by putting himself between the defender and the play and riding him out, people are trying to make him seem like a power blocker and I have seen almost zero evidence of that.

Saying he has the strongest punch of any tackle in the draft is, in my opinion, complete hyperbole.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think when Tyron gets a full head of steam in the open field he is a punishing run blocker.

We know Count is the resident Tyron hater but I agree that he could use a punch more(Talking about Tyron).

I think hes so quick he sometimes tries to just do one of these...

[youtube]4Tb7yCCT4nM&feature=related[/youtube]

 

[tm1119]

The Tyron cool-aide sure is strong and plentiful around here.... You would swear he's already made a pro bowl by the way people here talk about him. Yes, he's a great athlete, and yes this could lead to him being a great tackle. But there is still a lot more to playing in the nfl. He's going to need to improve his footwork and become a student of the game if he wants to be a good LT in the NFL. And it's not a lock that he will do these things, not a lock that he won'teither though. I agree that Smith should be the 1st o-lineman drafted, but I also believe Camiri and Castonzo are both capable RT's that we can trade back for while acquiring an additional 2nd + either a 3rd or 4th. That's my main argument against drafting Smith at 9. Why draft him when we can get a suitable RT + either a starting OG or defensive player on top?

 

[Gaede]

Here's a related kind of question... I still don't see why everyone is so sold on Smith but most people think Solder, who has a very similar profile as a very rangy, athletic guy who hasn't yet reached his potential, is a bum.

I asked this a while ago and no one answered. (Also, why would most ppl be happy with Aldon Smith but not JJ Watt? Watt has only played his position for 2 years and has elite athleticism as well.)

Solder has very little tackle experience and yet played extremely well already and is very athletic, while Smith played really good and is also very athletic. But why is it only one of the two players has 'all-pro' potential and the other is a bust in the making?

 

[TheCount]

We know Count is the resident Tyron hater but I agree that he could use a punch more(Talking about Tyron).

:laugh2:

Oh brother. Go back a few months and read where I was one of the few defending Tyron when everyone was saying he was too light and would never be able to gain or maintain a good playing weight without losing his athletisim.

I've been realistic about the kid the entire time.

He showed up at the combine at over 300 lbs and a lot of people lost their mind, now all of a sudden he's Joe Thomas, Jake Long and D'Brickashaw Ferguson in one. He's going to be a starting NFL tackle for 10 years and be a perennial pro bowler.

Ever since he gained the weight no one wants to see any flaws, which is fine, but refusing to see them doesn't mean they aren't there.