Why Smith over Jack

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The knee is stabilized by tendons such as the PCL and ACL. The knee is cushioned by a spongy cartilage behind the kneecap called the meniscus. There is a nerve that comes out from under the knee cap and runs down the front of your shin called the peroneal nerve.

When the collateral ligaments are torn the knee can twist. If the knee is also compressed during the twists it can shred the meniscus. When this happens it can result in a bone on bone situation. This causes inflammation and swelling perpetually unless the knee is fixed. Further this can leave debris in the knee and can worsen over time with general wear and tear.

If the knee is made unstable and torqued you can stretch the peroneal nerve. Depending on the individual and how much force is applied by the stretch the nerve can be stunned for a week all the way to severing or splitting the nerve. There are 5 degrees of nerve injury depending on what parts of the nerve are hurt.

Jack twisted his knee and tore his meniscus. It is a degenerative condition even if it's not yet bone on bone. Once the inflammation sets in the only way to fix it is to try microfracture which has a mixed success rate although there are braces and the like you can use to transfer how the load on the knee is distributed and help.

Smith was pushed after he tore his knee. when he planted to stop himself and the CLs were gone the peroneal was stretched. From the sounds of it he has a second degree injury it's called axonotmesis. This means that the outer portion of the nerve called the epineurium is intact but the myelin and axons inside are damaged.

The outer portion controls blood flow and if that is damaged it can cause some serious issues. If the inner portion is damaged then it leaks charge and cannot transmit nerve impulses but still has life support so to speak. Myelin regenerates from the spine out and takes time. That is why you keep hearing an inch of repair a month as it works its way down the injury.

If Smith's injury is the second degree axonotmesis then you can expect a full recovery whereas there is no natural recovery from a meniscus tear.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Clarence Hill‏ @clarencehilljr
Per a source, the Cowboys felt better about Jaylon Smith's medical than they did about Myles Jack.And Smith won't play next year. Says a lot

 

[movaughn88]

way down the injury.

If Smith's injury is the second degree axonotmesis then you can expect a full recovery whereas there is no natural recovery from a meniscus tear.

Fuzzy, if you didn't paste this from google, then you are my new favorite poster.

If you didn't paste, isn't the fact that he's running (and jumping on camera from the pick, I winced) a good sign for nerve recovery?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, if you didn't paste this from google, then you are my new favorite poster.

If you didn't, isn't the fact that he's running (and jumping on camera from the pick, I winced) a good sign for nerve recovery?

It's from googling the subject and an amalgamation of what I have learned over the last couple of hours. It's my own reckoning of the situation from that.

If you look closely at those videos you can see his left foot is still dropping when he lifts it. It's going to take 6-7 months for the nerve to repair those 6" and he's only 3.5 months into it though.

He says he is regaining sensation in the foot. In addition to actuating the peroneal tendon which lifts the foot the nerve transmits sensation from the front and outside of the foot and leg. This would indicate that the nerve is regenerating normally.

I'm not a doctor and I have no experience with this injury so I cannot give you examples of other recoveries.

 

[Tabascocat]

It's from googling the subject and an amalgamation of what I have learned over the last couple of hours. It's my own reckoning of the situation from that.

If you look closely at those videos you can see his left foot is still dropping when he lifts it. It's going to take 6-7 months for the nerve to repair those 6" and he's only 3.5 months into it though.

He says he is regaining sensation in the foot. In addition to actuating the peroneal tendon which lifts the foot the nerve transmits sensation from the front and outside of the foot and leg. This would indicate that the nerve is regenerating normally.

I'm not a doctor and I have no experience with this injury so I cannot give you examples of other recoveries.

Give me a rundown of what happened to the dendrites

 

[MRV52]

I don't think you understand that nerve regeneration is not predictable. Even his surgeon can't predict that. Right now you see him moving because his ligaments are healing nicely but that nerve is going to be the big IF.

Jaylon already said that some days he feels the nerve. Thats progress and he has been running for 3 1/2 weeks. He will be back.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think you understand that nerve regeneration is not predictable. Even his surgeon can't predict that. Right now you see him moving because his ligaments are healing nicely but that nerve is going to be the big IF.

Actually it depends on the severity of the injury. First and second degree injuries heal normally. If the outside membrane which controls blood flow gets jacked then that can cause complications but that does not appear to be the case.

I read an article that stated the exterior of the nerve was intact.

 

[btcutter]

Jaylon already said that some days he feels the nerve. Thats progress and he has been running for 3 1/2 weeks. He will be back.

What do you expect him to say? " I can't lift my feet?"

 

[Zman5]

This reminds me of a story Parcells told about Jones in a interview. He said something like if you ask Jerry for $1000 and promise him you'll pay him back $5,000 in few years, he won't lend the money. But if you ask him for a $1 million and promise him you'll pay him back $5 million in few years, he'll give you the money.

If Jerry is going to take a chance, he isn't interested in playing it safe. He rather go all in and go for the bigger prize.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who said anything about on demand? The nerve was stretched until it shut off with no damage, it is just a waiting game until it goes back to normal.

No damage to the exterior. If it was completely undamaged then he would have control of the foot.

 

[MRV52]

What do you expect him to say? " I can't lift my feet?"

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What do you expect him to say? " I can't lift my feet?"

I would expect him to say he has no sensation in his foot if that was the case. Calling him a liar so you can be right is a nice touch though.

 

[btcutter]

Actually it depends on the severity of the injury. First and second degree injuries heal normally. If the outside membrane which controls blood flow gets jacked then that can cause complications but that does not appear to be the case.

I read an article that stated the exterior of the nerve was intact.

It's really all speculation by our part. These are no secrets to other teams. If it were so simple wouldn't you expect another team to take that risk (which isn't so much given that much of this board feels that 100% recovery is imminent) at end of round 1.
We are listen to Smith's phone call and his interview with Bryan Broadus. He was NOT expecting to get pick so early. We could have easily moved down 10 spots picked up an extra 3 and still have him...maybe even in 3rd.
JJ is just a gambler. He can't help it. He just believe he is smarter than everyone else.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Smith can probably play the MIKE. I was thinking about him and Jack before today and was thinking that if both really fell (say 4th round) that Smith would be the better fit for us since Lee is still at the WILL. You put Jack at the MIKE and I don't think it's a good way to use him. Of course, you could move Lee back to the MIKE, but I would rather not. With Jack, if you listen to the scouts, they believe he could play SS and be great at it. That would intrigue me. A guy that big and fast that hits like a linebacker and cover like a corner.



YR

Reminds of Darren Woodson, I think he was an LB in college.

 

[calvin]

It's really all speculation by our part. These are no secrets to other teams. If it were so simple wouldn't you expect another team to take that risk (which isn't so much given that much of this board feels that 100% recovery is imminent) at end of round 1.
We are listen to Smith's phone call and his interview with Bryan Broadus. He was NOT expecting to get pick so early. We could have easily moved down 10 spots picked up an extra 3 and still have him...maybe even in 3rd.
JJ is just a gambler. He can't help it. He just believe he is smarter than everyone else.

Its as if people repeat what they think as if it were fact.



BTW, Tennessee also had 3 picks in the 2nd round and two of them were between 46-48.

BTW II, A kicker went in the 2nd round.

BTW III, Myles Jack, a player who has a worse knee condition than Smith went with the 36th pick (which I might add is almost a full 10 picks ahead of where you would have traded down to if YOU had wanted to draft Smith.)

And yet despite all that you really think that Jaylon Smith, arguably a top 4 pick, would have lasted until rd 3? If you really believe that I simply don't know what to tell you.

 

[btcutter]

I would expect him to say he has no sensation in his foot if that was the case. Calling him a liar so you can be right is a nice touch though.

I am sure he has some sensation. I didn't call him a liar. I am happy for the kid. It's still a reach IMO. I am trying to be objective even though I am a fan. Yes, I have a different perspective then you. Just the way I see it. You want to drink the Kool-aid. That's ok too. It's a free country.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's really all speculation by our part. These are no secrets to other teams. If it were so simple wouldn't you expect another team to take that risk (which isn't so much given that much of this board feels that 100% recovery is imminent) at end of round 1.
We are listen to Smith's phone call and his interview with Bryan Broadus. He was NOT expecting to get pick so early. We could have easily moved down 10 spots picked up an extra 3 and still have him...maybe even in 3rd.
JJ is just a gambler. He can't help it. He just believe he is smarter than everyone else.

He said he didn't know when he was being picked. You don't speak for other teams. There are multiple reports that teams were going to draft him in the second like Rappoport saying the Pats were interested with their second rounders.

That’s because the lateral damage stretched Smith’s nerve “enough to make it go to sleep, but it wasn’t stretched enough to be structurally elongated or visually very damaged” like more severe injuries, Cooper told USA TODAY Sports. There’s normally a one-month lag time before the nerve regrows at all, and once it begins, the rate is only about 1 inch per month

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...aylon-smith-knee-nerve-injury-draft/83416394/

You going to make me bust out the definition for axonotmesis or a second degree injury? It's not speculation but verified fact.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am sure he has some sensation. I didn't call him a liar. I am happy for the kid. It's still a reach IMO. I am trying to be objective even though I am a fan. Yes, I have a different perspective then you. Just the way I see it. You want to drink the Kool-aid. That's ok too. It's a free country.

Your question 'what do you expect him to say' implies that he is only saying that because of expectations and not reality.

You seem overly emotional and quite irrational.

 

[btcutter]

He said he didn't know when he was being picked. You don't speak for other teams. There are multiple reports that teams were going to draft him in the second like Rappoport saying the Pats were interested with their second rounders.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...aylon-smith-knee-nerve-injury-draft/83416394/

You going to make me bust out the definition for axonotmesis or a second degree injury? It's not speculation but verified fact.

Nice googling.

No neurosurgeon will say complete recovery. I've never met one that will at least. Nerves are just too delicate. He has a good chance of recovery and that's great. I hope he does. But I still disagree with drafting him at 34.

 

[btcutter]

Your question 'what do you expect him to say' implies that he is only saying that because of expectations and not reality.

You seem overly emotional and quite irrational.

Not emotional at all nor irrational. Just analyzing what's out there like everyone else and reaching our own conclusions. I don't get personal either.