Why would any TOP DC come to Dallas knowing

[Woods]

that this is probably BP's final year coaching?

The only reasons I could think of is that either (1) JJ were to promise the DC the Head Coaching job after BP left, or (2) JJ guaranteed him money for (atleast) 3 years (even though the DC may be out of a job after 1 year).

But neither of these reasons would be in JJ's interest as a businessman or GM of the Cowboys.

You can't promise someone today a HC position a year from now.

And I think JJ is too astute to basically guarantee someone for around 3 years of service knowing that when BP leaves after 1 year, the new HC will want to put in his own staff.

Doesn't it just seem (very) likely that the new DC is already on our staff?

I think this is just one of the realizations on having a coach who isn't going to be around after the 2007 season.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

we're hiring from within if BP comes back

 

[Rampage]

thats why i wish we would get that steelers dc

 

[Woods]

we're hiring from within if BP comes back

I've also come to this conclusion.

But here lies the problem:

If this coaching staff couldn't "figure out" how to fix the defense this December, how will they manage next season?

Unless we're saying that the problem wasn't the coaching staff, but rather the lack of quality players.

But I think many on this Board believe the problem is probably a bit of both, the staff and players.

 

[Woods]

thats why i wish we would get that steelers dc

You mean as a HC right now, instead of BP?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've also come to this conclusion.

But here lies the problem:

If this coaching staff couldn't "figure out" how to fix the defense this December, how will they manage next season?

Unless we're saying that the problem wasn't the coaching staff, but rather the lack of quality players.

But I think many on this Board believe the problem is probably a bit of both, the staff and players.

it's both, BP's scheme which relies on players winning their individual matchups, and players covering in the cover-2, which in the 3-4, places more emphasis on the LBs than in the 4-3, and that just wasn't happening outside of Ware, Ferg and AKin

we need another pass-rusher, we need a FS, Deon Grant or Pat Watkins maturing, and we need Spears and Canty to step up, which I believe another offseason of strength and conditioning and more experience will fix

 

[Rampage]

You mean as a HC right now, instead of BP?

sure or have him be dc next year than take over for parcells in 08. either way i would rather have him than anybody.

 

[Woods]

it's both, BP's scheme which relies on players winning their individual matchups, and players covering in the cover-2, which in the 3-4, places more emphasis on the LBs than in the 4-3, and that just wasn't happening outside of Ware, Ferg and AKin

we need another pass-rusher, we need a FS, Deon Grant or Pat Watkins maturing, and we need Spears and Canty to step up, which I believe another offseason of strength and conditioning and more experience will fix

So do you think that if we can get another pass rusher and FS that either Bowles and/or Pasq. can get the job done?

At this stage, I really don't know.

I don't know if the problem is BP not giving enough leeway to his assistants, or that his assistants aren't as qualified to run the 3-4.

But from Zimmer's departing remarks, he seemed to say that he just couldn't figure it out . . . . and he came to work earlier and earlier but he couldn't fix it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think you guys are putting way too much emphasis on the coaching, this isn't like high school or college, these guys know what they're supposed to do, it's assimilating that information w/o thinking too much which is the challenge, and that is only overcome by experience, remember, most of these guys now only have 2 years experience in the 3-4, except for Ferg and Canty, and Canty plays too high

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I've also come to this conclusion.

But here lies the problem:

If this coaching staff couldn't "figure out" how to fix the defense this December, how will they manage next season?

Unless we're saying that the problem wasn't the coaching staff, but rather the lack of quality players.

But I think many on this Board believe the problem is probably a bit of both, the staff and players.

The problem is the coaching (BP), no matter how you spin it.

Parcells hand picked these players and either he can't coach them up or he missed realy bad on all these players he brought in to play his schemes.

He bought the groceries and burned the meal.

 

[Woods]

I think you guys are putting way too much emphasis on the coaching, this isn't like high school or college, these guys know what they're supposed to do, it's assimilating that information w/o thinking too much which is the challenge, and that is only overcome by experience, remember, most of these guys now only have 2 years experience in the 3-4, except for Ferg and Canty, and Canty plays too high

I see what you're saying, but what about a coach like Billicheck (sp?), for example.

Last season, he was forced to use a WR to play in the Secondary. In fact, if I remember correctly, most of his Secondary was decimated with injuries. Yet, the Pats sported a top quality team. And weren't several of his LBs also out with injuries (i.e., Bruschi sp?)?

We have one LB on IR, and our defense just melts down the stretch. Doesn't top quality coaching come into effect here as well? Yes, the players are accountable, but when you hear comments from Zimmer and players like Newman, it really makes me wonder.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I see what you're saying, but what about a coach like Billicheck (sp?), for example.

Last season, he was forced to use a WR to play in the Secondary. In fact, if I remember correctly, most of his Secondary was decimated with injuries. Yet, the Pats sported a top quality team. And weren't several of his LBs also out with injuries (i.e., Bruschi sp?)?

We have one LB on IR, and our defense just melts down the stretch. Doesn't top quality coaching come into effect here as well? Yes, the players are accountable, but when you hear comments from Zimmer and players like Newman, it really makes me wonder.

All that prooves is that Belicheck was the brains of the operation when he was coaching under Parcells.

 

[EndGame]

If I were an aspiring DC, I'd be interested in this job BECAUSE of Parcells almost certainly leaving after next season. I'd be entrenched in an organization with an opening for a HC, and no real offensive coordinator. If I did a good job, and the organization were to hire from within, I'd have the job wrapped up with a bow on it.

 

[Rampage]

All that prooves is that Belicheck was the brains of the operation when he was coaching under Parcells.

 

[COWBOYSNUM1]

thats why i wish we would get that steelers dc

I would rather have Jim Mora Jr. come in as Def. Coordinator with the agreement that he has the job when Parcells does leave. But I would also rather Parcells leave now so we would not have this issue every year.

 

[iceberg]

I think you guys are putting way too much emphasis on the coaching, this isn't like high school or college, these guys know what they're supposed to do, it's assimilating that information w/o thinking too much which is the challenge, and that is only overcome by experience, remember, most of these guys now only have 2 years experience in the 3-4, except for Ferg and Canty, and Canty plays too high

jerry jones de-emphasized coaching when he brought in switzer. were you ok with that cause hey - it's just a coach?

 

[theogt]

A guaranteed opportunity to take over the HC spot next year. He'd be the front-runner, at that, if he coaches this top-5 defense (in terms of talent) into a top-5 defense.

That seems like an awfully big incentive to me. Much more so than going to (or staying put at) a team that has a HC locked up for 3-4 years.

 

[Bleu Star]

we're hiring from within if BP comes back

Yep... This is the bottom line. Just as the initial poster mentioned, no DC in his right mind would place himself in the position of coaching next year and possibly being out of a job after just one year. Bowles.. .here we come.

 

[iceberg]

Yep... This is the bottom line. Just as the initial poster mentioned, no DC in his right mind would place himself in the position of coaching next year and possibly being out of a job after just one year. Bowles.. .here we come.

or we hire a DC externally with the stipulation that if all goes well and he has a good year, he's the top candidate for the job.

al-la the ryan kid. : ) (he pays me to pimp him, sorry)

 

[Bleu Star]

or we hire a DC externally with the stipulation that if all goes well and he has a good year, he's the top candidate for the job.

al-la the ryan kid. : ) (he pays me to pimp him, sorry)

I would be all over that idea like white on rice. (especially when it pertains to Rex)