Will Dez ever be elite again?

This is just my humble opinion on Dez, he doesn't look as near as explosive and seems to have trouble separating on most DB's. Take away everything he does outside the hash marks{go route, jump balls, back shoulder throws} and there isn't much left in his bag of tricks.
 
T-RO said:
If you want to belittle catch rate...you have to belittle a Quarterback's completion percentage. Both statistics are cut from the same cloth. They include plenty of statistical noise but also provide valuable information. 41% this year and 43% last year does tell us something.
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Okay?

That's not a dilemma. Fine by me. Not all statistical measures are equally useful. But highlighting the deficiency of another (completion %) has no bearing on the criticism of "catch-rate."

If you do want to hang your hat on catch-rate, Dez registered %'s from 2012-2014 of 67%, 58% and 64%.

Did Dez suddenly forget how to catch or play WR, or have there been other compounding factors impacting that % the past two seasons?
 
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Proof said:
Lol you can't see the Forrest from the trees. Yes it was disappointing that he focused on complaining at that point and I don't like to see that from him but this ridiculous not a team player bs is beyond stupid.

Just heard a post game interview where they said "what does it say that the team can have the day they did when you don't have a Dez game?"

His response? "I mean I care, but really I don't care. We're winning. We're winning and the chemistry is crazy and that's what important."

Hmm.

Lol @ you being fine with him. Jesus I can't deal with the sheer stupidity of some of these fans.
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:facepalm: And you are buying what he said? I have swamp land for you in Florida. If he didn't care him wouldn't have been a silly baby on the sideline pissed he was interfered with and didn't get his catch even when we scored 7.
 
Dez has always been the rocket launcher in a video game. You save that sucker for the boss when you need it.
 
rat2k8 said:
:facepalm: And you are buying what he said? I have swamp land for you in Florida. If he didn't care him wouldn't have been a silly baby on the sideline pissed he was interfered with and didn't get his catch even when we scored 7.
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I believe he was incensed at bad refereeing, not his production. But let's put that aside. ITS LITERALLY IRRELEVANT BECAUSE HIS COMMENTS WHETHER GENUINE OR NOT REFLECT BEING A GOOD TEAMMATE.

Save the swampland and swim in it with steaks around your neck
 
And besides that, fans like you want to be upset with Dez despite the fact we're winning, but then use that same logic to vilify him. Lol. Im not going to call you a clown, but I have my suspicions on the color of your nose
 
Proof said:
And besides that, fans like you want to be upset with Dez despite the fact we're winning, but then use that same logic to vilify him. Lol. Im not going to call you a clown, but I have my suspicions on the color of your nose
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Don't worry about it, it is way over you head what I am referring too. You just don't understand what he did and how it affects team chemistry we don't need those antics. Now go play Madden on your PS4.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Okay?

That's not a dilemma. Fine by me. Not all statistical measures are equally useful. But highlighting the deficiency of another (completion %) has no bearing on the criticism of "catch-rate."

If you do want to hang your hat on catch-rate, Dez registered %'s from 2012-2014 of 67%, 58% and 64%.

Did Dez suddenly forget how to catch or play WR, or have there been other compounding factors impacting that % the past two seasons?
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I'm not sure you get it even now, though maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. Catch rate is just a subset of a quarterback's completion percentage. It's this: what is the quarterback's completion percentage when he targets a particular receiver.

As I've said both in this thread and in a similar one two weeks ago...I think it's pretty obvious that Tony is comfortable throwing some very challenging precision passes down the field, putting the ball out where Dez can use his strength, size and leaping ability.

At this juncture Dak doesn't feel comfortable throwing those. Maybe that's just how he's wired. He is very risk averse. Tony was very risk tolerant.

Given the nature of our offense I think risk aversion is a good thing, especially at this early stage of Dak's development.
 
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Don't worry about it, it is way over you head what I am referring too. You just don't understand what he did and how it affects team chemistry we don't need those antics. Now go play Madden on your PS4.
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True. The team look extremely disrupted. Im shocked they recovered.

The fact of the matter is either his post game comments were genuine meaning he's a team player, or they weren't, in the interest of preserving chemistry and celebrating the win ... meaning he's a team player.

Bottom line is that it was an unfortunate display, less for any impact on the team, more for giving morons ammo.
 
starfrombirth said:
He hasn't been elite since he got "paid" IMO.
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What a shock. I said at the time it was a mistake but not too many in here wanted to hear it. Sad thing is, I think he would have been great for few years if not for the injuries. (thereby proving me wrong) Kinda bummed.
 
Dez isn't going to have same type of impact without Romo. Not the way he is used in this offense. This isn't not a knock on Dak or Dez . If you watch the All-22, it's very evident.

Dez is mainly asked to run routes that take long time to develop. Romo would hold on to the ball until Dez gets open, Dak mostly doesn't. He'll look at him and if Dez isn't open he goes to the next read instead of waiting for Dez to get open. I think that's what he is coached to do.

Another thing is, Dak isn't good at throwing the fade near the endzone. Not yet anyways. With Romo, it's almost automatic TD.

Unless the coaches change how Dez is used, he will not have the stats he used to get with Romo.
 
Isn't he one week removed form making a catch only 3 or 4 guys on Earth can make?

He got 4 targets today. Caught one. Dropped one (bad). Had two others where he was interfered with (albeit given who Dez is I expect him to pull that TD in one handed).

The best way you measure whether Dez is still an elite WR or not is go back and look at Beasley's TD. He drew 3 defensive backs leaving Beasley wide open. Fans may not view Dez as elite anymore but strangely defensive backs and coordinators are. Go figure.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Isn't he one week removed form making a catch only 3 or 4 guys on Earth can make?

He got 4 targets today. Caught one. Dropped one (bad). Had two others where he was interfered with (albeit given who Dez is I expect him to pull that TD in one handed).

The best way you measure whether Dez is still an elite WR or not is go back and look at Beasley's TD. He drew 3 defensive backs leaving Beasley wide open. Fans may not view Dez as elite anymore but strangely defensive backs and coordinators are. Go figure.
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what catch was that... being serious here. I don't remember him catching anything that most other receivers could catch. I'll go back and watch but I don't remember any.
 
T-RO said:
I'm not sure you get it even now, though maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. Catch rate is just a subset of a quarterback's completion percentage. It's this: what is the quarterback's completion percentage when he targets a particular receiver.
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There's no confusion. Completion % is completions/attempt to all targets, whereas catch rate is the number of completions/attempt for a specific target. The inherent problem with both statistics is that it's over simplistic and provides no context (i.e. was it a bad throw? was the pass defended? was it dropped? et cetera).

I'm objecting to its usage as a basis to draw critical conclusions of Dez. I gave those reasons in detail.

T-RO said:
Further, in the context of how it was invoked in this thread, folks are trying to attribute a deficiency in a perceived poor catch-rate % to the receiver when they have no basis to make that assumption.

As I've said both in this thread and in a similar one two weeks ago...I think it's pretty obvious that Tony is comfortable throwing some very challenging precision passes down the field, putting the ball out where Dez can use his strength, size and leaping ability.

At this juncture Dak doesn't feel comfortable throwing those. Maybe that's just how he's wired. He is very risk averse. Tony was very risk tolerant.

Given the nature of our offense I think risk aversion is a good thing, especially at this early stage of Dak's development.
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I think that's a pretty accurate take of the situation, but I'll also add, Dak flat-out missed some throws to Dez last week against the Eagles.
 
Dez is largely a Romo creation like many others.

He's quickly becoming just a guy.
 
The Natural said:
I just wonder where were all these posts last week? You guys go into hiding whenever he has a good game
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4 catches on 14 targets isn't what I would call spectacular. He had a good game last week, but let's not act like that was the production of an elite wide receiver.
 
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