Will first-round pick Bobby Carpenter be inactive for the whole season?

[QT]

Yeah he might... but his performance thus far is not exactly making me regret taking Carp. He wouldn't be doing much in Dallas either.

We will probably draft a WR high next year and this would have addressed it this year. I still think he could have learned alot from TO and Glenn. Probably wouldn't have gotten much playing time, but once TO or/and Glenn leave, we might have a pretty good WR.

 

[StarAmongStars]

No matter which you spin it, Carpenter was a wasted pick especially when Manny The Freak Lawson was sitting there for us to grab. He was the perfect fit for this defense too...this really ticks me off.

 

[Stautner]

I don't disagree that it never hurts to add depth to your football team, but LB wasn't as big a priority in the draft as some may think. Especially since we added Boiman and Ayodele in FA to begin with. Also Parcells must have knew all along that Ellis was going to be moved if he was going to be on this team in 2006.

Shanle has 13 tackles in 2 games for the saints, and teams he's played on are now 8-2 with him in the starting lineup....we made a huge mistake drafting this bust carpenter and cutting him lose. Sean Peyton and the NO front office is likely laughing in our face that they got this guy for a 4th rounder....

Hmmmmm ........ let's look at this.

* Ayodele was going to have to make a switch from OLB to ILB.

* Ellis, even if Parcells had already contemplated the move, was going to be switching from DE to OLB. Even if he panned out there was a chance the best he would be as an OLB was a pass rush specialist rather than the all purpose OLB the team wanted.

* We can see now just how much help Boiman was - and even so, he wasn't even a starter, he was a special teams guy.

* Shanle only started last year because of injuries to Dat and Fowler, and was considered expendable enough this year that we kept an undrafted FA instead of him.

* IN ADDITION, you have ignored the fact that Burnett had ANOTHER knee surgery (3 or 4 total over the last 3-4 years) and Singleton was coming back from injury and was never considered a strong 3-4 OLB anyway.

Of course none of this is news - even from this thread where most of these points have already been made - but you still ignore it all and think we were in great shape at LB before the draft.

 

[StarAmongStars]

Hmmmmm ........ let's look at this.

* Ayodele was going to have to make a switch from OLB to ILB.

* Ellis, even if Parcells had already contemplated the move, was going to be switching from DE to OLB. Even if he panned out there was a chance the best he would be as an OLB was a pass rush specialist rather than the all purpose OLB the team wanted.

* We can see now just how much help Boiman was - and even so, he wasn't even a starter, he was a special teams guy.

* Shanle only started last year because of injuries to Dat and Fowler, and was considered expendable enough this year that we kept an undrafted FA instead of him.

* IN ADDITION, you have ignored the fact that Burnett had ANOTHER knee surgery (3 or 4 total over the last 3-4 years) and Singleton was coming back from injury and was never considered a strong 3-4 OLB anyway.

Of course none of this is news - even from this thread where most of these points have already been made - but you still ignore it all and think we were in great shape at LB before the draft.

LB simply wasn't the top priority for this in the draft and we should have traded down anyway. We probably still could have picked up Carpenter in the 2nd round too. The only reason the bum made this team is because he was a first round pick.

As for Shanle, the bottom line is that he is one of those players that despite not having starpower, still made a difference....7th round pick, former walk on at nebraska...this kid has developed into a rock solid starting linebacker in the NFL and has already made a huge impact in NO as they have started 2-0. I can only imagine the crowd will be raucous monday night as they look to upset the falcons and shut down mike vick. We are going to regret losing him if we get hit by injuries believe me.....

 

[peplaw06]

Where am I complaining about this? I think it was a good move also. I was pointing out to someone who said when we drafted Carp we didnt have any LB's and I mention about Shanle being here when we drafted Carp because that person left him out of the LB list when he was trying to say we needed Carp. Then the guy basically said he Shanle wasnt any good and thats not the case either. He's not great but he was going to be a back up anyways here to Akin.

Your sole point in this thread is to complain. You say we didn't NEED Carp because we had Shanle?? When you have an opportunity to upgrade a position, by taking a value pick at a given spot, you do it. Carp was an upgrade. Shanle probably STILL would have been cut/traded even if Carp wasn't drafted.

Its like you cant even make a comment about something with everyone not jumping down your throat. Carp is a disappointment. No 2 ways about it. He wasn't even active the first game for crying out loud. None of this means he wont develop into a great player. But as of now he is a disappointment.

That's because the way you're making your "comment" is dismissive of all other view points... Look at what you bolded. It's all your opinion, but there are "no two ways about it"?? I happen to disagree, so there ARE two ways about it... His status in the first game notwithstanding.

The reason we jump down your throat is because we're tired of all the instant-gratification, "what have you done for me lately?" posters coming in and complaining about every little thing. If it's not Carp/Lawson -- or WHOEVER you wanted... which you refuse to go out on a limb and name -- it's Ware/Merriman, or some other guy we should have taken who is tearing it up on some other team. Get over it.

 

[BigD_95]

We didn't have enough players at that spot when we drafted him.

We had no idea Ellis could make that switch.

We had no idea if Akin could make the transition to the 3-4.

We had no idea how Burnett would do coming back from his injury.

Carpenter was the right player at the right time, and will be a very good player down the road.

We had no idea Adams could make it back from knee surgery

We had no idea Kosier could fill the whole left by Allen

We had no idea who are RT was going to be

We had no idea if Rivera would become the guy we paid for in free agency or be the disappointment he was last year.

We had no idea who is playing behind Ferguson at DT since we left La'Roi Glover go.

We had no young WR to step up if injury prone Glenn or TO get hurt.

..........etc


I believe all these questions are a lot more important then the LB's ones.

 

[peplaw06]

We will probably draft a WR high next year and this would have addressed it this year. I still think he could have learned alot from TO and Glenn. Probably wouldn't have gotten much playing time, but once TO or/and Glenn leave, we might have a pretty good WR.

Fact is, the WR draft class next year will be MUCH better than this season's draft class was. I'm not going to complain about that. If we take a WR higher next season, he'll probably be better than Jackson.

 

[peplaw06]

No matter which you spin it, Carpenter was a wasted pick especially when Manny The Freak Lawson was sitting there for us to grab. He was the perfect fit for this defense too...this really ticks me off.

We have gone over this ad nauseum... Lawson doesn't fit... He'd be behind Ware. They're the same player, but Ware is 15 pounds heavier. Lawson can't play the strong side because he doesn't have the bulk. Ellis has it, Carp has it.

 

[Stautner]

LB simply wasn't the top priority for this in the draft and we should have traded down anyway. We probably still could have picked up Carpenter in the 2nd round too. The only reason the bum made this team is because he was a first round pick.

As for Shanle, the bottom line is that he is one of those players that despite not having starpower, still made a difference....7th round pick, former walk on at nebraska...this kid has developed into a rock solid starting linebacker in the NFL and has already made a huge impact in NO as they have started 2-0. I can only imagine the crowd will be raucous monday night as they look to upset the falcons and shut down mike vick. We are going to regret losing him if we get hit by injuries believe me.....

The most irrational people are know it all's who have all the answers before situations even have a chance to play out.

Why don't you just save us all the trouble and tell us what games we will win and lose this year and what the scores will be.

To claim you know absolutely that Carpenter will never pan out is ridiculous and proves that you fly by the seat of your pants without the burden of having logic and reason to support you.

The only facts are these: We MAY regret letting Shanle go (or not), Carpenter MAY eventually prove to be a good player (or not) .........

The NFL is not always black and white and you do not have a crystal ball.

I can respect opinions, but I have little tolerance for those who present opinions as if they are facts.

Bottom Line: Those of us that are rational will wait a year or so before condemning (or praising) Carpenter.

 

[superpunk]

We have gone over this ad nauseum... Lawson doesn't fit... He'd be behind Ware. They're the same player, but Ware is 15 pounds heavier. Lawson can't play the strong side because he doesn't have the bulk. Ellis has it, Carp has it.

Are you cereal?

It can't be gone over anymore. Lawson, on this defense, would play LESS than Carpenter is. There's no way he'd be out there on nickel packages, and he wouldn't start over Ware or Ellis.

It's time to let it go.

 

[BigD_95]

We didn't have enough players at that spot when we drafted him.

We had no idea Ellis could make that switch.

We had no idea if Akin could make the transition to the 3-4.

We had no idea how Burnett would do coming back from his injury.

Carpenter was the right player at the right time, and will be a very good player down the road.

We had no idea Adams could make it back from knee surgery

We had no idea Kosier could fill the whole left by Allen

We had no idea who are RT was going to be

We had no idea if Rivera would become the guy we paid for in free agency or be the disappointment he was last year.

We had no idea who is playing behind Ferguson at DT since we left La'Roi Glover go.

We had no young WR to step up if injury prone Glenn or TO get hurt.

..........etc


I believe all these questions are a lot more important then the LB's ones.

 

[peplaw06]

LB simply wasn't the top priority for this in the draft and we should have traded down anyway. We probably still could have picked up Carpenter in the 2nd round too. The only reason the bum made this team is because he was a first round pick.

Your irrational and unjustified hatred for Carp is blinding you. NE was going to take Carp later in the first if we hadn't. He may be starting there, because they've been attacked by injuries too... and I wonder what you'd be saying after seeing him start for NE??

As for Shanle, the bottom line is that he is one of those players that despite not having starpower, still made a difference....7th round pick, former walk on at nebraska...this kid has developed into a rock solid starting linebacker in the NFL and has already made a huge impact in NO as they have started 2-0. I can only imagine the crowd will be raucous monday night as they look to upset the falcons and shut down mike vick. We are going to regret losing him if we get hit by injuries believe me.....

This is the most ridiculous paragraph I've read in months. Shanle wasn't going to be on the roster here... BOTTOM LINE. We were going to lose him one way or another.

And NO will face their first real team this week, and will get their first loss. 9 tackles and 1 FF through 2 games is hardly a HUGE impact... yet he's a "rock solid starting LB in the NFL" He's a starter in NEW ORLEANS!!! No one who starts in the New Orleans LB corp is a "rock solid" LB. They're all castoffs.

 

[junk]

WR Chad Jackson comes to mind. That would have gave him time to learn from Glenn and TO. Chad might turn out to be a very good WR.

Carpenter will have time to learn from Ellis/Ware/James. Bobby might turn out to be a very good LB.

Jackson certainly isn't contributing much in a WR hungry arena like NE. I doubt he'd be doing much in Dallas especially behind Glenn and TO.

 

[peplaw06]

We had no idea Adams could make it back from knee surgery

We had no idea Kosier could fill the whole left by Allen

We had no idea who are RT was going to be

We had no idea if Rivera would become the guy we paid for in free agency or be the disappointment he was last year.

We had no idea who is playing behind Ferguson at DT since we left La'Roi Glover go.

We had no young WR to step up if injury prone Glenn or TO get hurt.

..........etc


I believe all these questions are a lot more important then the LB's ones.

So who were we supposed to take?? I STILL haven't seen you stick your neck out there and name a guy.

 

[Galian Beast]

People were saying the same thing about Kevin Burnett last year, and Bradie James the year before that...

Linebacker is one of the hardest positions to learn in the nfl from college. Probably the hardest after cornerback. Then you have to realize who he is in competition to supplant. If Coakley was still here, James would probably still be riding the bench.

And linebacker was the top priority in the draft. We needed to have a complete 3-4 defense this year. But we went into the draft with...

Ware - James - Ayodele - Singleton

...

By week 8 you'll see Carpenter started in the nickel, and you'll see Fowler riding the bench.

Its a good thing we have burnett and carpenter on our second team linebacker corps. Both of them could probably find themselves starting on some teams. They wanted a linebacker, not another defensive end. Lawson might be a better pass rusher, but I guarantee you that Carpenter is going to be an all round better player. Which is what we needed in our defense. Lawson would also be riding the bench here, with Ellis' development.

Lawson has two sacks, on a defense that is ranked 16th against the run and are 1-1 after playing st. louis and arizona... It's also about WHO you're playing. Fact is we're going to lead the league in sacks per game after we play Tennessee..

As for what we draft next year... I don't think we're going to draft a receiver high. With Owens working out, and the advant of Hurd and Rector, I think they'll stave off drafting a receiver really high for at least another year. Any receiver we draft would be no better than a 3rd receiver. And that would push crayton to 4th, and either hurd or rector off of the team.

I think the focus will be on cementing the defense and improving the offensive line for the future.

The cowboys didnt want to gamble on any of the tackles available in the first.

Kosier was a free agent pick up... they were pretty sure they knew what they had when they got him.

They signed fabini for right tackle, knew what they had in pettiti, and had hopes for colombo

Rivera was already healthy before the draft...

They let go of glover knowing there was no sure replacement. They also didnt sign any free agent tackles before or after the draft. but they did draft stanly hoping he could work out there.

you spend the money on t.o. and glenn the way the cowboys did, and you have your #1 and #2 locked up...

 

[QT]

Carpenter reminds me of Andy Katzemoyer. A BUST from Ohio St. You guys can defend him all you want, but "He is what he is".

 

[superpunk]

Carpenter reminds me of Andy Katzemoyer. A BUST from Ohio St. You guys can defend him all you want, but "He is what he is".

How do you know what he is?

Are you "bulimic?"

 

[BigD_95]

So who were we supposed to take?? I STILL haven't seen you stick your neck out there and name a guy.

Trade up for Brodrick Bunkley

Trade down & take Santonio Holmes

Trade down & John McCargo

Trade down Winston Justice

Not really sure with the draft so long ago.

 

[QT]

How do you know what he is?

Are you "bulimic?"

Well, he's pretty much nothing now.

 

[superpunk]

Well, he's pretty much nothing now.

And so you're projecting him out to be Katzenmoyer.

Based on.....what you've seen from him in practice? what you've seen from him in extensive game action? I don't understand how you know what he "is" any more than we know what Fasano "is", what Bunkley "is", what Justice "is, etc...

Unless you can read minds - or see into the future. Did you thumb your nose at Bradie James two years ago, too?