Will first-round pick Bobby Carpenter be inactive for the whole season?

[joseephuss]

I don't disagree that it never hurts to add depth to your football team, but LB wasn't as big a priority in the draft as some may think. Especially since we added Boiman and Ayodele in FA to begin with. Also Parcells must have knew all along that Ellis was going to be moved if he was going to be on this team in 2006.

Shanle has 13 tackles in 2 games for the saints, and teams he's played on are now 8-2 with him in the starting lineup....we made a huge mistake drafting this bust carpenter and cutting him lose. Sean Peyton and the NO front office is likely laughing in our face that they got this guy for a 4th rounder....

No matter which you spin it, Carpenter was a wasted pick especially when Manny The Freak Lawson was sitting there for us to grab. He was the perfect fit for this defense too...this really ticks me off.

I'm confused. You were against Carpenter because LB was not a priority, but then you want Lawson who is also a LB.

 

[QT]

And so you're projecting him out to be Katzenmoyer.

Based on.....what you've seen from him in practice? what you've seen from him in extensive game action? I don't understand how you know what he "is" any more than we know what Fasano "is", what Bunkley "is", what Justice "is, etc...

Unless you can read minds - or see into the future. Did you thumb your nose at Bradie James two years ago, too?

Actually, no I wasn't too down on Bradie. Carpenter hasn't showed any signs of progress. He doesn't look like a playmaker. If you remember, Bradie was pushing at the door steps of Dexter Coakley.

 

[StarAmongStars]

I'm confused. You were against Carpenter because LB was not a priority, but then you want Lawson who is also a LB.

Just saying that Lawson was the best option at LB, he is a hybrid freak of nature....I had him graded as a top 10 prospect, SF made out like bandits and in a few years this kid is going to be one of the best players in the league while Carpenter is playing flag football at Ohio State with fellow washout Andy Katzenmoyer.

 

[superpunk]

Actually, no I wasn't too down on Bradie. Carpenter hasn't showed any signs of progress. He doesn't look like a playmaker. If you remember, Bradie was pushing at the door steps of Dexter Coakley.

Not in his first year.

You're judgement is baseless. You have no evidence, nothing. Carpenter is where he is because of our LB depth, and stellar starting 4. It was not as good-looking pre-draft.

Time to let it go, and accept the fact that his contributions are going to be limited while Ellis is here.

 

[Hostile]

I always like dthat old Irish proverb...

"Lord, make my words soft today, for tomorrow I may have to eat them."

 

[joseephuss]

Just saying that Lawson was the best option at LB, he is a hybrid freak of nature....I had him graded as a top 10 prospect, SF made out like bandits and in a few years this kid is going to be one of the best players in the league while Carpenter is playing flag football at Ohio State with fellow washout Andy Katzenmoyer.

I agree Lawson was a great prospect, but he is best suited to play Ware's position. He would not be utilized in Dallas instead of Ware and he would also be behind Ellis if they tried to play him on the opposite side. He could not shine in Dallas if he doesn't see the field.

The team had a greater need for offensive linemen than linebacker in my opinion. I did not think Carpenter was a great pick in the 1st round, but it is way too early to call him a bust.

 

[BARRYRAY]

Well he might have been active but he sure wasn't very"active", nary a pick,a sack, or evena tackle that was memorable. And yet BP says he was o.k., I think he stank up the joint, this guy is a first round pick, you'd think he'd rate a tackle or two, give us something here, we got rookie free agents that have done more, what really bugs me is how people cut him slack, when's he gonna show us something here for the millions...

 

[Stautner]

Well he might have been active but he sure wasn't very"active", nary a pick,a sack, or evena tackle that was memorable. And yet BP says he was o.k., I think he stank up the joint, this guy is a first round pick, you'd think he'd rate a tackle or two, give us something here, we got rookie free agents that have done more, what really bugs me is how people cut him slack, when's he gonna show us something here for the millions...

You expected an MVP type game out of a guy who only got limited playing time in certain situations ....... ?

How unreasonable and illogical are you?

No, he didn't do much, but so what? It's game 2 of his rookie year. All of you guys that treat a player as a bust after that little time and opportunity show an incredible ignorance of the NFL and it's history.

 

[tomson75]

Can we just make a sticky, or perhaps a second forum, for all of the talent scouts on here to pat themselves on the back. This is all blindzebra's fault...

 

[Established1971]

What a awful 1st round pick. Hell the guy didnt even play in Ohio St. bowl game against Notre Dame and their defense didnt even miss him.

I guess you win some and lose some with the draft but who drafts a LB in the 1st round when he isnt even the best LB on the team?

Im not saying I disagree but your argument isnt a tight one since that better linebacker was off the board already

 

[Stautner]

And so you're projecting him out to be Katzenmoyer.

Based on.....what you've seen from him in practice? what you've seen from him in extensive game action? I don't understand how you know what he "is" any more than we know what Fasano "is", what Bunkley "is", what Justice "is, etc...

Unless you can read minds - or see into the future. Did you thumb your nose at Bradie James two years ago, too?

He is what he is and he will develop how he will develop based on how far his abilities and efforts can take him.

And guys who claim to know it all before it happens are as credible as the Psychic Hotline.

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

Well, he's pretty much nothing now.

he'll either be a good linebacker unless he isn't, then he won't be.

so who knows

 

[jterrell]

What a awful 1st round pick. Hell the guy didnt even play in Ohio St. bowl game against Notre Dame and their defense didnt even miss him.

I guess you win some and lose some with the draft but who drafts a LB in the 1st round when he isnt even the best LB on the team?

That makes zero sense.

1st Hawk isn't exactly tearing it up in Green Bay so we don't know that Caprenter won't be the best of the group in 5 years. We do know he's not faster but since when does Speed make the ultimate determinate in a linebacker?

After his rookie year Bradie James had 12 total tackles, thats assists and solo with special team play factored in. He played in 12 games.

We just signed him to a big extension and figure him as a Pro Bowl candidate this season.

Might wanna tap the brakes on the whole it was a bad selection talk. It wasn't an entirely great draft class a whole(not just the Boys) it appears but again its early.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

You do have to be able to play the run. Everyone wants to say there isn't a strong/weak side, but, historically, that side of the defense is the strong side. Look at what is considered a prototype RT vs. LT. Run blocker vs. pass protecter.

You needed someone strong at the POA. That wasn't Lawson and the FO basically said as much. They didn't figure Lawson would contribute for a couple of years and would have swapped Ware over to that side....something they didn't want to do.



I agree Wimbley would have been the guy if he was there. However, Lawson obviously wasn't the second best guy or the team would have taken him. Taking on an air of superiority and acting like you know what the team wanted when they do the exact opposite doesn't exactly support your cause.

Haven't watched Lawson in SF much, but I suspect he is only really being asked to get up the field. A stand up DE only. The OLBs in Dallas have more responsibilities than that.

You're right and by no means am I saying I'm a better evaluator of talent than a Hall of Fame coach, I just think you can never go wrong with speed. I will say one thing about Lawson that had me worried is I was worried he was too much of a speed guy. A lot of his college play didn't seem to involve him ever putting any moves on the linemen, plus you had Mario Williams collapsing the pocket from the other side and running the QB into him sometimes. So yeah, Lawson was definitely just as risky as Bobby C on draft day. Either he was going to mature into an NFL player or be a horrible bust. Bobby C was probably the safest pick, maybe not as much all pro potential as Lawson, but also not as deadly in the bust department. Too bad the Browns got to Wimbley. Eitherway, I'm not disappointed because Ellis looks pretty darn good, and there haven't been any late first round monsters yet from that draft.

 

[junk]

Actually, no I wasn't too down on Bradie. Carpenter hasn't showed any signs of progress. He doesn't look like a playmaker. If you remember, Bradie was pushing at the door steps of Dexter Coakley.

In his second year. And if you remember correctly, he was terrible. As in looking like he should be out of the NFL completely terrible.

 

[junk]

Trade up for Brodrick Bunkley

Trade down & take Santonio Holmes

Trade down & John McCargo

Trade down Winston Justice

Not really sure with the draft so long ago.

Dallas isn't playing the 4-3 anymore. Not really much of a place for gap shooting defensive tackles like Bunkley and McCargo.

How do you know the team didn't try to trade down? Takes two to tango.

Seems silly to bash a pick without any real knowledge of an alternate scenario.

 

[Stautner]

In his second year. And if you remember correctly, he was terrible. As in looking like he should be out of the NFL completely terrible.

James was NOT pushing the doorsteps of Coakley 2 games into his career. If you are going to use an analogy it should be a fair one.

James was essentially invisible his first year, not earning any real playing time. His 2nd year he was supposed to essentially split time with Coakley, but didn't play well enough to stay on the field as much as intended. Last year (his 3rd year) it clicked.

 

[junk]

James was NOT pushing the doorsteps of Coakley 2 games into his career. If you are going to use an analogy it should be a fair one.

James was essentially invisible his first year, not earning any real playing time. His 2nd year he was supposed to essentially split time with Coakley, but didn't play well enough to stay on the field as much as intended. Last year (his 3rd year) it clicked.

That is what I was saying if you read the entire exchange.

Some guy was claiming James was pushing Coakley his rookie year. I thought I clearly dismissed that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

this thread sucks

 

[Stautner]

That is what I was saying if you read the entire exchange.

Some guy was claiming James was pushing Coakley his rookie year. I thought I clearly dismissed that.

I'm sorry, I meant to quote QuanTrans post, not yours.