Will Newman get tested this year?

[speedkilz88]

It depends, is Adam more of a threat to take an INT to the house? Absolutely, is he more of a threat to return a punt or a kick? Absolutely. Now will Adam get as many INT's or tackle as many RB's at the second level? Unlikely.

Playmaker means turnovers. Anthony Henry is known as a playmaker but he isn't a guy that you expect to make a great interception return unless the path is clear.

Even though Adam is more elusive than Newman its not like Newman is some kind of slouch when it comes to returning interceptions or punt returns. Last year Newman was basically playing on one leg and had 129 interception return yards. Adam's last year he had 130 yards in interception returns.

 

[Alexander]

Adam isn't any more of a playmaker than Newman.

That depends on what you define as "playmaker".

Adam Jones singlehanded took over a game against the Giants in 2006 and basically won it for them. Newman has never, ever done that.

If you want to bean count statistics and think it proves a point, suit yourself.

But in terms of raw ability to make a score when he has the ball in his hands, I think Jones has more than demonstrated he is superior. To me, that's playmaking.

This isn't about who is a better coverage player. That's really not debateable.

Jones is never going to be a smooth cornerback. He's more of a gambler and you have to be patient with DeAngelo Hall moments. But to make plays, you have to take risks. And that is what holds Newman back.

 

[speedkilz88]

That depends on what you define as "playmaker".

Adam Jones singlehanded took over a game against the Giants in 2006 and basically won it for them. Newman has never, ever done that.

If you want to bean count statistics and think it proves a point, suit yourself.

But in terms of raw ability to make a score when he has the ball in his hands, I think Jones has more than demonstrated he is superior. To me, that's playmaking.

This isn't about who is a better coverage player. That's really not debateable.

Jones is never going to be a smooth cornerback. He's more of a gambler and you have to be patient with DeAngelo Hall moments. But to make plays, you have to take risks. And that is what holds Newman back.

You forget the playoff year with Quincy at qb then. The reason they won so many games was because Newman was playing so well at corner that they were able to double the other side and blitz.

 

[Alexander]

You forget the playoff year with Quincy at qb then. The reason they won so many games was because Newman was playing so well at corner that they were able to double the other side and blitz.

What does "playing well at corner" have to do with playmaking?

I thought that was the point of contention I was addressing.

I am not claiming Adam Jones is a better all-around cornerback than Newman. I was however disputing your notion that Newman isn't any less of a playmaker.

 

[speedkilz88]

What does "playing well at corner" have to do with playmaking?

I thought that was the point of contention I was addressing.

I am not claiming Adam Jones is a better all-around cornerback than Newman. I was however disputing your notion that Newman isn't any less of a playmaker.

Again, playmaking is about interceptions and Adam has had four in one season which Newman has done 3 times out of six years while not getting thrown at particularly very often. Adam did have some crucial interceptions in two games but if you went back through Cowboys games you could find those for Newman also. Adams rep is added too when you remember his punt returns also. Adam is also more of a gambler that will try to bait the qb, thus he gets thrown at more.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well, one thing that is overlooked is how young Pacman is. Point blank, Pacman was a starting CB in the NFL at the same age TNew was in college. Kinda hard to know what he will develop into, but if he can stay out of trouble, the key word is "develop" cause he is still very young.

As horrible as our return teams have been, Pacman's addition is like striking oil in your backyard. Comparisons between him and TNew will probably happen all season, but really I figure TNew will see a few more targets if Pacman starts, but not that many in the grand scheme of things.

What will be more scary is I figure Roy will be targeted more.

 

[Alexander]

Again, playmaking is about interceptions and Adam has had four in one season which Newman has done 3 times out of six years while not getting thrown at particularly very often.

That's your definition. And like I said, if bean counting is your thing, indulge yourself if it makes you happy.

Adam did have some crucial interceptions in two games but if you went back through Cowboys games you could find those for Newman also.

I have yet to see Newman dominate a game or get into a QBs head like he did in that Giants game. That was impressive, especially when you added the special teams into it. Had he not played that day, the Titans lose. I have yet to see Newman take over a game in that fashion. That's not an indictment, just a fact. They are different types of players.

One is a game-breaker. One isn't.

Adams rep is added too when you remember his punt returns also. Adam is also more of a gambler that will try to bait the qb, thus he gets thrown at more.

Jones gets thrown at more because he plays a different style. It is obvious that Newman is one of the most consistent and conservative cornerbacks in the league. That is why you don't see shots deep on him. He doesn't take risks. That's what "makes plays" and also gives them up if it is done with excessive regularity.