Will Spears ever be a dominant player?

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I have to ask, because I just haven't been impressed with Spears all year. So far, he has a 1/2 sack along with 19 tackles and he's been starting since the 8th game I believe. His 1/2 sack, came in the 2nd quarter against the Deadskins two months ago. I know he was a highly touted DL coming out, but some also predicted him to be a boom or bust player as well. In comparison, Chris Canty has 2 1/2 sacks, 24 tackles and simply creates more havoc than Spears. After 11 games, I wonder if Spears will ever become a dominant type player or even show flashes of it for that matter. If we hadn't picked Spears, I wonder how much farther he would have dropped?

Here are some facts:

Marcus Spears (6-4 298) was the 20th player selected in the 2005 draft. He signed a 5-year, $9.35 million contract with $6.7 million guaranteed in options and roster bonus. Basically, Spears was drafted for his size and ability to play in a 4-3 or 3-4 and possibly slide over to DT in certain situations.

College stats...Spears closed out his senior campaign with 49 tackles (32 solo), nine sacks, 17 stops for losses, six pressures, two forced fumbles, a fumble recovery, an interception and two pass deflections. Through 48 games as a Tiger, he started 38 times. Spears closed out his career with 152 tackles (101 solo), 19 sacks for minus-131 yards, 34½ stops for losses of 180 yards, 47 quarterback pressures, two forced fumbles, four interceptions, 10 pass deflections and a blocked kick. Only Jarvis Green (20, 1998-2001), Gabe Northern (21, 1992-95), Ron Sancho (23, 1985-88) and Rydell Malancon (25, 1980-83) had more sacks in a career at Louisiana State. His 34½ stops behind the line of scrimmage rank seventh on LSU's all-time list.

Agility tests...5.03 in the 40-yard dash … 405-pound bench press … 530-pound squat … 308-pound power clean … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-1 broad jump … 33 3/8-inch arm length … 10 3/8-inch hands … Right-handed.


Not bad right?

Ok, let's look at another DL we could have traded down for and picked up a 3rd or 4th rounder in the process.

Shaun Cody (6-4 292) is about the same size as Spears and was the 37th player drafted. He was drafted by the Lions, who traded up 4 spots with the Titans to get him. Cody was originally recruited by USC as a defensive end, spent four years starting at defensive tackle with Mike Patterson. He displayed the speed and agility to be dominant at getting to the quarterback when working off the edge. Right now, Cody is playing behind Shaun Rogers at right DT and has 1 1/2 sacks and 24 tackles so far.

College stats...Cody closed out his senior campaign with a career-high 45 tackles (29 solo), 10 sacks, 13 stops for losses, two forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and three pass deflections while serving as team captain for the USC Trojans. Cody closed out his career with 130 tackles (89 solo), 21 sacks for minus-162 yards, 31½ stops for losses of 185 yards, four fumble recoveries, three forced fumbles, five pass deflections and five blocked field goals.

Agility tests...4.95 in the 40-yard dash … 425-pound bench press … Bench presses 225 pounds 24 times … 550-pound squat … 326-pound power clean … 31½-inch vertical jump … 31¾-inch arms … 10-inch hands.


Obviously, Cody was the next best DL after Ware, Pollack, James and Spears. Cody was definitely the stronger and faster DL, since he practically matched Spears' production playing on the inside. If Spears doesn't "get it" as Parcells puts it, not trading down for Cody and that extra pick will loom ever larger as time goes by.

JMO



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I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt being a rookie and in a rotation. Therefor, I answered that it is "too early to tell".

But I will say that he has been underachieving for sure. I wonder if he'll ever really be a dominant player by any means.
I think he will be a great leader and a constant force on the line, but I don't see him ever being a backfield terror.

I personally don't like the big DE types although Canty has been impressive and if you insist on running a 3-4 then you have to have them.

If Spears doen't start showing up a little more by season's end, I'd start to wonder a little.
 

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It's way, way too early to call him a bust, though I was certainly expecting more out of him.

If your going to compare him to Canty, go ahead. But i'm pretty sure Canty has played in a 3-4 while Spears hasn't.
 

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So far, I'm saying he's a bust.

He simply doesn't create any havoc or even shows flashes of it IMO.

Might as well be Coleman in there.
 

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After 11 games you've declared a rooie a bust? That's just not good logic sir.

By the way, weather Spears has completely shown up on the stat sheet or not is pretty much irrelevant. He's been a part of a defense that was completely overhauled and is much better than it has been since probably the Super Bowl years.

Spears very often is in on pressures. Our ability to shut down teams like Denver's running games, or the likes of Shaun Alexander no doubt has something to do wth Spears. You can't be a good defense if you are compromised on your front line. Spears is doing his part.

I wouldn't say he has dominated games just yet, but he's been pretty good.

Based on him switching from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 End, and the change of speed and skill at the pro level, I'd say he's done OK
 

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"Dominant" is a word I'd never use for his type of player. He wasn't a pass rusher in college, and he won't be significant in the NFL, which is why he lasted so long in round 1. He'll hopefully be a long term run stuffing DE, but I would not call that type of play "dominant."
 

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Obviously, Cody was the next best DL after Ware, Pollack, James and Spears. Cody was definitely the stronger and faster DL, since he practically matched Spears' production playing on the inside. If Spears doesn't "get it" as Parcells puts it, not trading down for Cody and that extra pick will loom ever larger as time goes by.


Obviously? Based on agility and strength test results?


If the intelligent people that get paid to scout/draft players thought like you no one would of taken a Jerry Rice or Michael Irvin in the first round.


There's not a d*** thing "Obvious" about workout numbers.
 

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Too early to judge a 1st round pick.

Perhaps you should scan the list of first round picks this year and see who is impressing you more. I think you will be surprised. Spears will be fine. He is still a rookie remember.
 

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IMO Spears injury in training camp really set him back.....he was coming on in camp and the coaching staff was praising him....then the injury.

He will start coming on and be very important in the playoffs.
 

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:rolleyes: Spears is doing great for a rookie ...... We as fans dont see what a clog up the middle guy does ...... because it aint exciting.


He is a Rookie ..... and Parcells has started him the last few games ...... that says enouth for me.
 

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Spears has done alright, he hasn't got great sack numbers but he has gotten to pressure on the QB. Cody was also a good pick for the Lions. I don't think you can just assume the Cowboys could have traded down a few spots and still got Spears though.
 

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Spears may very well be the next Greg Ellis. Not so much in career numbers, but by the fact that he will get the job done. Play hard every game and basically go unnoticed and unappreciated by fans because he's being outshined by some other player.

My opinion: I think it's too early to tell about all of the Cowboy rookies, including Canty, Ware, Burnett, et al.

I want to see what kind of leap they make from 1st to 2nd year.
 

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ALL OF YOU ARE JUMPING THE GUN!!! CHILL!!!

He missed all of training camp??? He missed all but 1 game of pre-season and he looked pretty darn good then!!

You all will be surprised and soon lament this thread later in his pro bowl days.
 

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CrazyCowboy said:
IMO Spears injury in training camp really set him back.....he was coming on in camp and the coaching staff was praising him....then the injury.

He will start coming on and be very important in the playoffs.


Agreed..

..he's had to come back from what was almost a season ending compound injury at the end of camp.

And even if he goes out and plays, it still may not be 100%.

I'd say after 3 years, we'll know what we have.

For now, he's helping Ellis dominate as a sack guy and helping Ware be effective from his OLB position and as a pass rusher, too.

He's doing Ok for now. Let's hope he at least doesn't regress as the season wears on. I'd just take that for now.

If he actually creates more noise from his position..that would be a plus.

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:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

God I hate these bust posts when a player hasn't even played his first full year.
 

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I don't know how anyone could tell at this point. He missed much of TC and got behind, but I would be on the side of seeing how much improvement we see after this first year and he has had the chance to work this next off-season.

I don't have a crystal ball and I don't think anyone else here does either.
 

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Spears is a bust because he isn't tearing up the league yet, so we should have drafted Shaun Cody .. who isn't even starting.

One of the most ridiculous posts ever, right behind the "Is Marion Barber a spare" post after week 3.
 

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Duane said:
:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

God I hate these bust posts when a player hasn't even played his first full year.
Yep...

Cody looks really good in Detroit, I admit that. But Spears has too much talent to even think about his being a failure yet. He IS starting already after missing most of camp with an injury, and his upside is tremendous.
 

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W/ his position, he needs to work on strength, just like Canty and Ware. Give them all a year or two and this draft could start to look amazing.
 
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