Will Sutton, DT Arizona State

[MichaelWinicki]

I would like to see the Cowboys draft this kid... But not in the 2nd round.

 

[tm1119]

You may want to look up Jernigan arm length and Sutton in 2012 has a far better burst than stand up Jernigan does.

Jernigan has 31 5/8 arms
Sutton has 31 1/4 arms

Jernigan is slow out of his stance and stands up at the line and reads the play then reacts. Sutton shoots the gaps and makes plays. 2012 Sutton was unstoppable.

Lol well yeah because that's what his defense asked him to do. You really think he did that by choice? Jernigan is a better overall athlete than Sutton and is MUCH stonger and better in the run game. They really aren't even in the same realm as NFL prospects.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Lol well yeah because that's what his defense asked him to do. You really think he did that by choice? Jernigan is a better overall athlete than Sutton and is MUCH stonger and better in the run game. They really aren't even in the same realm as NFL prospects.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys had 2nd round grades on both players.

 

[supercowboy8]

Lol well yeah because that's what his defense asked him to do. You really think he did that by choice? Jernigan is a better overall athlete than Sutton and is MUCH stonger and better in the run game. They really aren't even in the same realm as NFL prospects.

Your right Sutton is a much better 3 tech. To each his own. I don't believe in drafting a player on what you want him to do when he has never proved it.

We will just have to disagree.

This Is just like the debate we had on Donald when I told you before the combine he would be a top 20 pick and was way better than jernigan and I was correct.

 

[supercowboy8]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys had 2nd round grades on both players.

I agree. I think both are 3rd round player but both could be taken in the 2nd.

 

[Tobal]

You are saying Jernigan is a third round player? I like Sutton, but not better than Jernigan.

 

[Alexander]

I would like to see the Cowboys draft this kid... But not in the 2nd round.

Sutton is the opposite of Aaron Donald. Lousy senior year, poor Senior Bowl, Combine and Pro Day. I have a hard time picturing him in the top 64 if you evaluate him where he is right now, trying to shed bad weight he put on. He would be a decent 3rd round choice based off his 2012 results.

 

[tm1119]

Your right Sutton is a much better 3 tech. To each his own. I don't believe in drafting a player on what you want him to do when he has never proved it.

We will just have to disagree.

This Is just like the debate we had on Donald when I told you before the combine he would be a top 20 pick and was way better than jernigan and I was correct.

And you're drafting Sutton praying that 2012 wasn't a fluke....based on his 2013 play and workout performances he's a 5th round pick at best.

Plus I never once said Aaron Donald wouldn't be a top 20 pick. I said he wouldn't go before 16, which still may or may not be true.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

I think you have this player confused with someone else or you have no idea what you are talking about.

Sutton gaining weight is exactly what cost him big money this past season. His natural playing weight, where he was the most productive, was less than 300. His optimal weight was at 285-290.

ASU has him listed at 305lbs at 6'1". He was 315lbs at the senior bowl, 303 at the combine, and is now just shy of 300 (297 lbs at his pro day).
That degree of fluctuation in playing weight in a matter of 3 months or so, means that this is likely to happen down the road, and he will probably play above 300lbs in the pro level.

Whether his optimal weight is 285-290 is irrelevant if he does not stay within that range during the season. All things considered, if ASU has him listed at 305, that's roughly what he'll play at at the pro level given the weight he was at the combine.

In short, don't imply someone doesn't know what they're talking about when you've given no indication you're absolutely sure of the median weight he has played in until today. You gave me an opinion as a reply to my post, not a factual statement.

 

[Alexander]

ASU has him listed at 305lbs at 6'1". He was 315lbs at the senior bowl, 303 at the combine, and is now just shy of 300 (297 lbs at his pro day).
That degree of fluctuation in playing weight in a matter of 3 months or so, means that this is likely to happen down the road, and he will probably play above 300lbs in the pro level.

Whether his optimal weight is 285-290 is irrelevant if he does not stay within that range during the season. All things considered, if ASU has him listed at 305, that's roughly what he'll play at at the pro level given the weight he was at the combine.

In short, don't imply someone doesn't know what they're talking about when you've given no indication you're absolutely sure of the median weight he has played in until today. You gave me an opinion as a reply to my post, not a factual statement.

The factual part is that he was dominant in 2012 at under 300 pounds. He was told to gain weight and it was a disaster when he played as heavy as 336 during the season and has been scrambling to lose it since the season ended. What he is playing at now, and even heavier, during the season, is what is causing him problems.

You are suggesting he stay where he is at, play 1-T at a weight that he has shown he is not all that effective. Even now, he is considered sluggish even at 300 or so.

 

[ThreeandOut]

The factual part is that he was dominant in 2012 at under 300 pounds. He was told to gain weight and it was a disaster when he played as heavy as 336 during the season and has been scrambling to lose it since the season ended. What he is playing at now, and even heavier, during the season, is what is causing him problems.

You are suggesting he stay where he is at, play 1-T at a weight that he has shown he is not all that effective. Even now, he is considered sluggish even at 300 or so.

I wouldn't call winning PAC 12 player of the year a disaster.

His playing weight will probably be determined by the team that drafts him. Dallas would likely want him around 295.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sutton is not my favorite DT in this draft but Sutton can play ball. He'll come to every game and hell make it a long day for whomever lines up on the other side. He's a bit limited in what he can do physically, which is not to say that he can not make plays or be productive but the rest is all there.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Sutton is not my favorite DT in this draft but Sutton can play ball. He'll come to every game and hell make it a long day for whomever lines up on the other side. He's a bit limited in what he can do physically, which is not to say that he can not make plays or be productive but the rest is all there.

I don't see Sutton as a 1st or even 2nd round caliber prospect.

But I think the kid can play and if the Cowboys drafted him I think, even as a rookie he could give them a good 25 snaps a games helping man either DT spot.

 

[Common Sense]

Sutton is a good 3rd round prospect. Jernigan is a good late 1st/early 2nd.