Will the offensive scheme really change under Schott?

[Cowboyny]

I have been asking about the system/scheme for a minute now. Wondering if they are putting in new verbiage, new concepts, etc. that Prescott needs to learn.

No definitive response has been given. I hope the system is a new one.

We won't find out until camp or the actual games begin. You would think he makes his own tweaks, but have to see if to believe it!

 

[Cowboyny]

Yeah with all due respect to the OP, this is a comfort Dak Friendly transition offense keeping pretty much all the Kellen Moore principles in place.
Remember the former SB winning coach McCarthy stating there would remain 80 percent of the same Moore offense?
That still applies imo.

Some kinda simple tweak here or there maybe. But Im pretty sure it's not gonna resemble some new innovative cutting edge playcalling of the Reid/McVay/Shanahan/Payton variety with regards to nuance and/or complexity.
If anything maybe resembling Dak's original Linehan run offense with timely play action.

I don't think a more cerebral offense is coming.
If anything, even more simple.

And gosh help 'em once opposing defenses start loading the box to stop the run.
Because historically, this offense has had a hard time beating that.

The more that things change the more they stay the same.
jmo

Cowboys!

He is saying the right things about wanting a more modern scheme, wanting to marry up the run with the pass. Is this just coach speak or will they actually make the changes? You would think at the very least their run scheme will be updated from dinosour Solari.

 

[Cowboyny]

We have more receiving options now, but I really feel that Schott is going to really try his best to run the ball.
Let's hope that we can accomplish both this season.

As I have said, he was more run first with the Jets and more pass happy with Wilson in Seattle. Think he will devise his scheme around what talent he has.

 

[75boyz]

Past offensive success strongly suggests this QB's run support is the difference between winning and losing.

The historical numbers of when this team rushes for over 100 yards or more and the corresponding win rate further proves this.

So however Schott can produce anything resembling a balance is the key.

Theyll go down fast if they cant run the rock.
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[75boyz]

He is saying the right things about wanting a more modern scheme, wanting to marry up the run with the pass. Is this just coach speak or will they actually make the changes? You would think at the very least their run scheme will be updated from dinosour Solari.

My gosh bro I hope so.

Between Solari and McFraud they literally had no clue if they were a man or zone blocking unit or what outdated run plays to use.

 

[Chasing6]

When you promote an in-house assistant to HC you want to keep continuity and don't force your players to learn a brand new scheme. Terminology is going to be the same, but will the scheme really change under Schott? We have heard that he wanted to tweak MM's system to add more modern concepts, but that never happened.

What we do know:

-Schott will be the primary play caller this season
-Has brought in young, coaches that he has no prior affliction with.
-Our new OC, is a former OL and TE assistant coach, which suggests a strong run background.
-They brought in several college coaches from different backgrounds

-I was around for the Schott's years with the Jets; ground and pound. Elite rushing team. Had limitations at QB.
-Heard his Seattle stop, he wanted to have Wilson throw more, but Carroll wanted a more conservative run 1st offense.
Two drastic differences, which tells me he will devise his scheme around his players strengths, not his scheme.

On offense we replaced Martin and it is to be determined if we improved at RB. A lot of if's on the OLine - if Steele, Guyton, Beene improve and Booker is the the real deal we could be ok.

The only known thing we improved is our passing game with adding Pickens.

If our defense falls behind we will abandon the run and be back to airing it out 40+ times a game.

 

[JoeKing]

When you promote an in-house assistant to HC you want to keep continuity and don't force your players to learn a brand new scheme. Terminology is going to be the same, but will the scheme really change under Schott? We have heard that he wanted to tweak MM's system to add more modern concepts, but that never happened.

What we do know:

-Schott will be the primary play caller this season
-Has brought in young, coaches that he has no prior affliction with.
-Our new OC, is a former OL and TE assistant coach, which suggests a strong run background.
-They brought in several college coaches from different backgrounds

-I was around for the Schott's years with the Jets; ground and pound. Elite rushing team. Had limitations at QB.
-Heard his Seattle stop, he wanted to have Wilson throw more, but Carroll wanted a more conservative run 1st offense.
Two drastic differences, which tells me he will devise his scheme around his players strengths, not his scheme.

Just having a different play caller alone will change this offense for the better.

 

[Cowboyny]

Just having a different play caller alone will change this offense for the better.

Still need the players to execute the plays.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Just having a different play caller alone will change this offense for the better.

Disagree with you there. Honestly play design was a bigger factor in the offensive woes than play calling IMO. Ahead of both of those was simply a lack of execution by the players as well. Other than some tendency issues that become somewhat predictable I thought the Cowboys play calling on offense was actually pretty decent.

 

[slick325]

We won't find out until camp or the actual games begin. You would think he makes his own tweaks, but have to see if to believe it!

I'm just surprised players haven't mentioned trying to wrap their heads around a new playbook. Or coaches mentioning it.

 

[Pass2Run]

I know MM didn't like to use a lot of motion as he was so worried about pre-snap penalties. If they cannot play disciplined football they have to find the players who can.

I was an MM fan for a while. But in hindsight, what he did to Kellen Moore was sorry.

Plus, he has a record for most player off losses. Just isn't a good player offs coach.

 

[beware_d-ware]

The entire reason for hiring Schotty is that it won't.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

No, from Garrett to whatever coach will be here after Schotty there won't be changes. They hired him cause of his familiarity with the personell and because he knows what Dak likes. Dont kid yourself if you think your gonna see something different.

 

[Chasing6]

No, from Garrett to whatever coach will be here after Schotty there won't be changes. They hired him cause of his familiarity with the personell and because he knows what Dak likes. Dont kid yourself if you think you're gonna see something different.

Hopefully blocking schemes change and we at least add some motion. Then again, we already have a problem with false starts and penalties.

 

[KingCorcoran]

When you promote an in-house assistant to HC you want to keep continuity and don't force your players to learn a brand new scheme. Terminology is going to be the same, but will the scheme really change under Schott? We have heard that he wanted to tweak MM's system to add more modern concepts, but that never happened.

What we do know:

-Schott will be the primary play caller this season
-Has brought in young, coaches that he has no prior affliction with.
-Our new OC, is a former OL and TE assistant coach, which suggests a strong run background.
-They brought in several college coaches from different backgrounds

-I was around for the Schott's years with the Jets; ground and pound. Elite rushing team. Had limitations at QB.
-Heard his Seattle stop, he wanted to have Wilson throw more, but Carroll wanted a more conservative run 1st offense.
Two drastic differences, which tells me he will devise his scheme around his players strengths, not his scheme.

In 2023 Philly had two top tier wide receivers and a very good offensive line. They were eliminated in the wild card round. They needed to improve their run game if they were going to have a legitimate shot at returning to and winning a Super Bowl. They signed a great running back. It worked out well.

The Cowboys now have two tier wide receivers. It’s a start. They do not have a very good offensive line. They do not have a great running back. It is not going to work out well.

 

[Xizor]

Got a little sick of this play on 3rd and long.

 

[Gambit]

Williams RB has said that there seems to be a huge emphasis on running the ball so far in OTAs and from coaches in general. I honestly think the plan is going to be let Adams design the run game and to run the ball with a purpose now. I don't think Shotty was blowing smoke when he first got hired and said that is what he wants to do.

Another thing to keep in mind, we paid Turpin an awful lot to be ST only, I believe there will packages specifically for him to utilize his speed and elusiveness.

Adding Pickens is going to make us more dangerous, we are not that far removed from averaging over 30 a game. I think that returns with more ball control to go with it.

 

[Chasing6]

In 2023 Philly had two top tier wide receivers and a very good offensive line. They were eliminated in the wild card round. They needed to improve their run game if they were going to have a legitimate shot at returning to and winning a Super Bowl. They signed a great running back. It worked out well.

The Cowboys now have two tier wide receivers. It’s a start. They do not have a very good offensive line. They do not have a great running back. It is not going to work out well.

The OLine is a work in progress. The Dline is a disaster and the only thing we are working on is more pressure on the QB.

If you want to make a deep playoff run, it starts with winning your division.

Philly has the best run offense in the league. What did we do to counter that.........basically nothing.

 

[KingCorcoran]

The OLine is a work in progress. The Dline is a disaster and the only thing we are working on is more pressure on the QB.

If you want to make a deep playoff run, it starts with winning your division.

Philly has the best run offense in the league. What did we do to counter that.........basically nothing.

Barkley, Gibbs, Jacobs, K. Williams, Irving, A. Jones. Pretty clear what is important to be a playoff team in the NFC. It’s supposedly a “copy cat league”. Jerry needs to pay attention.

 

[baltcowboy]

When you promote an in-house assistant to HC you want to keep continuity and don't force your players to learn a brand new scheme. Terminology is going to be the same, but will the scheme really change under Schott? We have heard that he wanted to tweak MM's system to add more modern concepts, but that never happened.

What we do know:

-Schott will be the primary play caller this season
-Has brought in young, coaches that he has no prior affliction with.
-Our new OC, is a former OL and TE assistant coach, which suggests a strong run background.
-They brought in several college coaches from different backgrounds

-I was around for the Schott's years with the Jets; ground and pound. Elite rushing team. Had limitations at QB.
-Heard his Seattle stop, he wanted to have Wilson throw more, but Carroll wanted a more conservative run 1st offense.
Two drastic differences, which tells me he will devise his scheme around his players strengths, not his scheme.

I expect the Cowboys to run an offense similar to the Rams. Obviously Dak does not have the arm of Stafford so they will have west coast concepts. As much as it appeared this would be a running offense with the coaching hires, the best ability of Williams/Blue is their pass catching. The Cowboys best skill players are CeeDee/Pickens/Turpin. Dak makes 60 million a season. Jerry wants Dak to be among the best quarterbacks statistically so the contract can be justified. The Cowboys will be like the 2020 season before Dak’s injury offensively. Expect high scoring games and a television friendly team.

The hope is the Cowboys will score lots of points so the defense can unleash the pass rush and force turnovers. Sadly the run problem will continue to be the weakness defensively.