Williams: 'Good starting point for us'

[theogt]

"For me, I practice at the same tempo in practice that I do in the game," Romo said. "So if I'm doing it out there and I'm seeing things out there, I expect it to be the same in the game. That's what I believe, that's how I've always practiced and that's how I believe you can get better."



That quote says what the real problem is. Roy is not playing in practice as he does in a game.

Gotta be...

Not really because he says all the time that Roy does the right things in practice and that they connect in practice, which is what makes him think it will translate to the game.

 

[Eskimo]

I think that may be true. And ruins my theory that it's due to Tony being so short.

On a side note, could you imagine Romo today with a 27-28 year old Terry Glenn? Holy cow that would fun to watch.

I want to see what Romo can do with a core of Austin, Witten, a rejuvenated RW and Ogletree (serving the Terry Glenn type role).

 

[theogt]

I want to see what Romo can do with a core of Austin, Witten, a rejuvenated RW and Ogletree (serving the Terry Glenn type role).

Austin is playing Glenn's position now. I like Austin's size and speed, but man I really loved Glenn's speed and smarts. He really knew how to use his speed to work a secondary, getting in between zones, as well as getting behind someone.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think that may be true. And ruins my theory that it's due to Tony being so short.

On a side note, could you imagine Romo today with a 27-28 year old Terry Glenn? Holy cow that would fun to watch.

Dude you're telling me man.

Out of all the WRs we've had since Irvin left - Galloway, Keyshawn, Owens, Roy, etc. Terry Glenn was my absolute favorite.

Thats why I've been begging for us to draft a guy like - quick, runs crisp routes, and can stretch the defense. Thank God for Miles Austin or else we would be in very bad shape at the WR position this year.

 

[theogt]

Dude you're telling me man.

Out of all the WRs we've had since Irvin left - Galloway, Keyshawn, Owens, Roy, etc. Terry Glenn was my absolute favorite.

Thats why I've been begging for us to draft a guy like - quick, runs crisp routes, and can stretch the defense. Thank God for Miles Austin or else we would be in very bad shape at the WR position this year.

Miles may feel like a godsend (and he is), but I do think if we hadn't had Austin on the roster we would have done things differently -- e.g., keeping TO and/or drafting WRs in the past two drafts.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Miles may feel like a godsend (and he is), but I do think if we hadn't had Austin on the roster we would have done things differently -- e.g., keeping TO and/or drafting WRs in the past two drafts.

I also like to think we would've spent one of those draft picks for Roy on a WR.

Percy Harvin would've been nice. Oh hindsight.

I was an avid Owens supporter, but he would've crippled our offense this year. He hasn't completely fallen off physically, but he used to be dominant enough that you could exchange the drama for the production. This was the perfect year to sell.

 

[theogt]

The Cowboys had Harvin taken off their draft board due to red flag issues, so he wasn't really an option. With a healthy Romo, I think Owens could have put together another huge year. If you watch him in Buffalo he still has speed and strength. Trent Edwards and Fitzpatrick just can't get him the ball (they have a 68 combined QB rating).

 

[Apollo Creed]

The Cowboys had Harvin taken off their draft board due to red flag issues, so he wasn't really an option. With a healthy Romo, I think Owens could have put together another huge year. If you watch him in Buffalo he still has speed and strength. Trent Edwards and Fitzpatrick just can't get him the ball.

Just like we took Desean Jackson off our board too.

 

[theogt]

Just like we took Desean Jackson off our board too.

You're going to lose out on some talent when you do that kinda thing. But it's hard to fault them for it.

 

[Future]

Romo hasnt thrown 9 passes a game to Austin.

Its a typo.

Are you sure? Didn't Austin have 10 catches against KC?

He doesn't get any separation, another reason Romo looks elsewhere. For a Qb that gets knocked for being careless, I would hate the idea of throwing to a guy even if he's covered.

RW is the kind of guy who sometimes you just have to throw to even if he is covered. If he's in man-to-man thirty yards down the field against a 5'9" corner, I'd toss it up there mroe often than not.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Are you sure? Didn't Austin have 10 catches against KC?


RW is the kind of guy who sometimes you just have to throw to even if he is covered. If he's in man-to-man thirty yards down the field against a 5'9" corner, I'd toss it up there mroe often than not.

I'll say it again.

How much sense does it make for a QB - that everyone gives **** for turning the ball over. Jamming the ball into a tight space with a WR he has obviously barely any chemistry with.

If I'm 9, I'd avoid through his way too.

 

[Eskimo]

Austin is playing Glenn's position now. I like Austin's size and speed, but man I really loved Glenn's speed and smarts. He really knew how to use his speed to work a secondary, getting in between zones, as well as getting behind someone.

Austin is a very different kind of player than Glenn was although they both have speed and quickness to generate separation.

Ogletree seems to have that rare combination of extreme quickness and speed. He also looked like he understood how to setup CBs to gain separation along with solid hands in the preseason. If he can add the smarts, he could do a reasonable imitation of Glenn.

 

[theogt]

Are you sure? Didn't Austin have 10 catches against KC?

Austin has averaged 5.6 pass attempts per game.

RW is the kind of guy who sometimes you just have to throw to even if he is covered. If he's in man-to-man thirty yards down the field against a 5'9" corner, I'd toss it up there mroe often than not.

While that's true, it's also the case that Roy Williams gets a lot of separation, as well. If you go to the games, it's a heckuva lot easier to see who's getting separation. Roy gets open, a lot.

 

[sbark]

That's because he can't get open on a post, or a fly.

...brings up Plexico Burress & Eli.......not sure that Plexico got much more separation on a post or a fly than RW.....but Eli & Plex figured it out hook up pretty dang often....and slants were a part of it....but they figured out how to use Plex size to advantage

as the G-men slide after loosing 5 in a row......its clear that Eli misses Plex and or a big throw it up for grabs type WR to bail him out more often than not

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Austin is a very different kind of player than Glenn was although they both have speed and quickness to generate separation.

Ogletree seems to have that rare combination of extreme quickness and speed. He also looked like he understood how to setup CBs to gain separation along with solid hands in the preseason. If he can add the smarts, he could do a reasonable imitation of Glenn.

i think Kevin could be our Desean Jackson

 

[BlindFaith]

He doesn't get any separation, another reason Romo looks elsewhere. For a Qb that gets knocked for being careless, I would hate the idea of throwing to a guy even if he's covered.

This, I think, is something that Romo still needs to learn about Roy. Roy isn't the type of receiver that will just shake a defender with his quicks. His seperation comes from using his height and playing the ball at it's highest point. Roy also has deceptive speed. He's a long strider, so it doesn't looke like he's moving that fast when he actually is.

He's soemwhat like TO, except TO was probably a little quicker and overall a little faster. But TO couldn't play the ball to save his life. He never showed the ability to go up over a defender and snatch the ball. If it wasn't delivered in stride or on him it was usually a drop.

Tony has never had a receiver that could do what Roy can do. I think he's still learning how to throw to him based on that.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Austin has averaged 5.6 pass attempts per game.

While that's true, it's also the case that Roy Williams gets a lot of separation, as well. If you go to the games, it's a heckuva lot easier to see who's getting separation. Roy gets open, a lot.

Then I think its a case of Romo not looking his way. Witten and Austin are his first reads in most cases (even if the play is drawn up for Roy).

Romo has had his share of unfair criticism about turnovers and such this year, especially after the Giants game. So him avoiding Roy had more to do with him not wanting to turn the ball over and going to his more trusted receivers, than Roy not getting open.

Even though last year, I blame it on the injury, but Roy wasn't getting a lick of separation. So I can understand why its taken Roy some time to earn Romo's trust.

 

[BlindFaith]

...brings up Plexico Burress & Eli.......not sure that Plexico got much more separation on a post or a fly than RW.....but Eli & Plex figured it out hook up pretty dang often....and slants were a part of it....but they figured out how to use Plex size to advantage

as the G-men slide after loosing 5 in a row......its clear that Eli misses Plex and or a big throw it up for grabs type WR to bail him out more often than not

That's a very good analogy. I think Roy is a lot like Plex.

Eli figured it out. Romo is still trying.

 

[Eskimo]

i think Kevin could be our Desean Jackson

Desean seems to be much more of a finesse player, homerun threat.

Like Terry Glenn, I think Ogletree will be able to run all of the routes and even take some shots over the middle to convert 3rd downs.

 

[Apollo Creed]

That's a very good analogy. I think Roy is a lot like Plex.

Eli figured it out. Romo is still trying.

Nah, Lets not get carried away Plax is a much better receiver than Roy. They are physically similar and are good at the same things, but I'd take Plaxico Burress with the bullet in his leg over Roy.