Williams: 'Good starting point for us'

[Eskimo]

That's a very good analogy. I think Roy is a lot like Plex.

Eli figured it out. Romo is still trying.

RW and Plex are quite similar physically but i think Roy has more speed and Plex has more bulk and ran better routes.

 

[Eskimo]

Nah, Lets not get carried away Plax is a much better receiver than Roy. They are physically similar and are good at the same things, but I'd take Plaxico Burress with the bullet in his leg over Roy.

Don`t forget that Plex also has been a troubled player and sulker throughout much of his career. It is only the perception of him that changed after the Super Bowl win.

Roy was about as productive as Plex before he came to the Cowboys - hopefully RW can regain his earlier form. I do think it is possible with hard work.

 

[BlindFaith]

Then I think its a case of Romo not looking his way. Witten and Austin are his first reads in most cases (even if the play is drawn up for Roy).

And that's another very good point. I do think Romo looks away from Roy, even if Garrett calls a play his way.

But as long as they continue to rack up the passing yards, it doesn't matter.

It matters to Roy, because he obviously wants to make catches and score touchdowns. This effects any future contract he may get. So he wants to be productive.

As long as Romo can continue to understand how Roy plays and what he can do, things will come. Teams can't double everyone. If they continue to double Miles and Witten, then Roy will get his chances.

 

[theogt]

Then I think its a case of Romo not looking his way. Witten and Austin are his first reads in most cases (even if the play is drawn up for Roy).

Romo has had his share of unfair criticism about turnovers and such this year, especially after the Giants game. So him avoiding Roy had more to do with him not wanting to turn the ball over and going to his more trusted receivers, than Roy not getting open.

Even though last year, I blame it on the injury, but Roy wasn't getting a lick of separation. So I can understand why its taken Roy some time to earn Romo's trust.

As much as people claim that Romo throws to who's open, I actually think he has a habit of telegraphing his plays by sticking with his pre-determined first read a lot and not recognizing when someone else has favorable coverage. That goes with both sticking with Roy if he's covered and sticking with Austin if he's covered.

Look at that Austin TD last week. He had a corner playing man, a safety taking away the underneath and a deep safety in the middle of the field. I'm not sure I'd stick with Austin as the first read there if I'm Romo. Roy is in one on one coverage and the deep safety has no chance at covering the in route. Luckily, the DB bit and Romo/Austin look great. When things works out for you, it looks like the right decision was made. If that doesn't work out, people (me included) say it's a stupid decision not to go to Roy on that play.

Wade Phillips was asked what changed about the defense not having missed tackles now like they did early in the season. His response was, "We're on a four game winning streak and people don't notice the missed tackles when you're winning."

 

[BlindFaith]

Nah, Lets not get carried away Plax is a much better receiver than Roy. They are physically similar and are good at the same things, but I'd take Plaxico Burress with the bullet in his leg over Roy.

What do you base that on? Plax is also a mental midget in the TO mold. He also had his best years on a team that went to the Super Bowl. Roy played most of his career on a team that had no rushing game at all and every team knew they were throwing the ball.

Give me Roy over Plax.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Desean seems to be much more of a finesse player, homerun threat.

Like Terry Glenn, I think Ogletree will be able to run all of the routes and even take some shots over the middle to convert 3rd downs.

I have watched alot of Otree play and he could be a mix of both.

 

[theogt]

Nah, Lets not get carried away Plax is a much better receiver than Roy. They are physically similar and are good at the same things, but I'd take Plaxico Burress with the bullet in his leg over Roy.

Plaxico Burress
61.2 yards per game
.44 TDs per game

Roy Williams (excluding 2008)
62.8 yards per game
.46 TDs per game

2008 was a very odd year for Roy, having been traded mid-season to a team that's starting a 40 year old Brad Johnson and a Tony Romo with a broken hand/finger.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Plaxico Burress
61.2 yards per game
.44 TDs per game

Roy Williams (excluding 2008)
62.8 yards per game
.46 TDs per game

now thats comparable

 

[Apollo Creed]

One guy played in a pass happy offense that was always behind and slinging te ball down the field. The other played for the steelers and g men arguably two of the most conservative teams in football.

Plax performed in the playoffs and demands double teams, the other struggles against every teams 2nd best corner in man coverage.

 

[Bleu Star]

make it stop

Austin + Ogletree = happiness

 

[jazzcat22]

Tony's always had a problem throwing slants. So if they can connect on those, it really is a nice starting point.

I think Tony and TO connected pretty good on slants. It's just they didn't call that play a lot. But when they did, it worked for good yardage.

So why not try it with RW, unless that's not agood route for him. But it worked earlier in the year a few times.

 

[Eskimo]

I think Tony and TO connected pretty good on slants. It's just they didn't call that play a lot. But when they did, it worked for good yardage.

So why not try it with RW, unless that's not agood route for him. But it worked earlier in the year a few times.

The problem with TO on slants was his questionable hands - he would drop some and one popped up causing an interception.