Williams vs. Hamlin: Poll

fortdick

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If we could keep only one, which would it be. I say Hamlin!
 

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Williams, since we're pretty much already married to tha guy. If contractual issues were different, this poll would have different meaning.
 

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Gangsta Spanksta;1863044 said:
Williams, since we're pretty much already married to tha guy. If contractual issues were different, this poll would have different meaning.

I would trade Roy right now and resign Hamlin. Davis can play SS as well as ROy. He isn't as strong against the run, but he is better in coverage.

Contractual issues make it unlikely that we can keep both. A lot of money already tied up in the secondary.
 

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fortdick;1863048 said:
I would trade Roy right now and resign Hamlin. Davis can play SS as well as ROy. He isn't as strong against the run, but he is better in coverage.

Contractual issues make it unlikely that we can keep both. A lot of money already tied up in the secondary.


holy crap I cannot even believe you said killer was better than roy, I am officially done clicking on roy williams' thread, its like friggin bizzarro world in here
 

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okay how can 15 people have voted when the thread only has 5 views?
 

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I don't understand the point of this poll. They don't play the same position and it's not an either/or situation. Williams is much better against the run and Hamlin is much better against the pass. Trying to quantify whether Roy's ability against the run is better than Hamlin's ability against the pass is dumb.
 

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In this current era of the NFL having guys who play the pass better is a higher priority.
Hamlin
 

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theogt;1863110 said:
I don't understand the point of this poll. They don't play the same position and it's not an either/or situation. Williams is much better against the run and Hamlin is much better against the pass. Trying to quantify whether Roy's ability against the run is better than Hamlin's ability against the pass is dumb.

And you're only thinking one angle of it.

I don't think we'll be able to afford both - and I'm thinking this is what the poster actually meant. In a cap situation, Hamlin, or Williams? Which do you want in your secondary? Sure, they play a different position - but it's the same as asking, Davis, or Adams? Sure, Adams is a better pass blocker, and Davis is better in run blocking - but if you had to pick one, which would you pick?

I'd rather have Hamlin in my secondary, as opposed to Williams. Hamlin is pretty good versus the run too, y'know.
 

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wastedfluid;1863119 said:
And you're only thinking one angle of it.

I don't think we'll be able to afford both - and I'm thinking this is what the poster actually meant. In a cap situation, Hamlin, or Williams? Which do you want in your secondary? Sure, they play a different position - but it's the same as asking, Davis, or Adams? Sure, Adams is a better pass blocker, and Davis is better in run blocking - but if you had to pick one, which would you pick?

I'd rather have Hamlin in my secondary, as opposed to Williams. Hamlin is pretty good versus the run too, y'know.
And I think anyone who believes we can't keep both is ignorant as far as our cap situation.

And Hamlin is decent against the run. But he's nowhere near as good as Roy. Just the same, Roy is decent against the pass, but he's nowhere near as good as Hamlin.
 

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So OGT: overall the question was if you cannot keep both then who do you choose?
 

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burmafrd;1863130 said:
So OGT: overall the question was if you cannot keep both then who do you choose?
I chose Roy. I think the type of player that he is is more unique. I think we could find a better coverage safety pretty easily if we needed, though. The only reason it's been hard to find one over the past several years is because we've been trying to get by on the cheap at the position.
 

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they don'r play the same position
roys contract has nothing to do with keeping hamlin or not
i don't see the point other than those who love to bash roy.
kinda like asking should we have cut t.o. to sign crayton. one has nothing to do with the other
 

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theogt;1863125 said:
And I think anyone who believes we can't keep both is ignorant as far as our cap situation.

And Hamlin is decent against the run. But he's nowhere near as good as Roy. Just the same, Roy is decent against the pass, but he's nowhere near as good as Hamlin.

LOL.

Too much controller lately? Who do you let go if you re-sign Hamlin? He's going to want big money, probably close to, if not more, than Sanders.

I guess I'm ignorant to our cap situation. We're set to have around $19 million (prior to Crayton's extension) next year. You have to sign Barber, or Jones. Hamlin. Draft picks... You need to start pushing cap forward, because Newman is going to demand a lot. Ware is up soon. Please, fill me in.
 

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wastedfluid;1863155 said:
LOL.

Too much controller lately? Who do you let go if you re-sign Hamlin? He's going to want big money, probably close to, if not more, than Sanders.

I guess I'm ignorant to our cap situation. We're set to have around $19 million (prior to Crayton's extension) next year. You have to sign Barber, or Jones. Hamlin. Draft picks... You need to start pushing cap forward, because Newman is going to demand a lot. Ware is up soon. Please, fill me in.
Seems so.
 

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what short memories some people have.. there is a reason that Roy Williams has made 5 Pro Bowls in a row.. fans, players, and coaches vote him in.. they think highly of him.. has Hamlin had a better year? maybe.. but there is a reason why this is Hamlin's 1st Pro Bowl and it's Roy's 5th..
 

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EMMITTnROY;1863164 said:
what short memories some people have.. there is a reason that Roy Williams has made 5 Pro Bowls in a row.. fans, players, and coaches vote him in.. they think highly of him.. has Hamlin had a better year? maybe.. but there is a reason why this is Hamlin's 1st Pro Bowl and it's Roy's 5th..
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stealth;1863088 said:
okay how can 15 people have voted when the thread only has 5 views?
The thread views are not immediate. It counts and adds the views a certain number of times per hour. It is entirely possible that actual views can be far higher than displayed views.
 

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This is JMO based on my observation.

Let me preface it by saying I like Hamlin, he has had a very good season and well deserved pro bowl selection. To me, it is safer to replace Hamlin with Watkins than K. Davis with Roy. I do not trust K. Davis in defense because more times than not, he is out of position and misses tackles than make them. I'm not saying Roy is great and he does make his share of mistakes but he is much, much better SS than K. Davis. Therefore, if I have to make a choice between them, I would keep Roy and replace Hamlin with Watkins, I think Watkins has been learning and has improved greatly from last season.
 
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