Willing to trade Carpenter?

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BulletBob said:
You guys are trading picks, trading active players, and coming up with 2007 draft strategies based on 1 regular season game?

I know that some of you guys are younger and not yet married - man, I'd love to hear about your dating strategies!

:popcorn:

I don't know if you've been watching for the last 4 years, but the offensive line has sucked. It wasn't one bad game, it was 4 years of bad Oline play.
 

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BulletBob said:
You guys are trading picks, trading active players, and coming up with 2007 draft strategies based on 1 regular season game?

I know that some of you guys are younger and not yet married - man, I'd love to hear about your dating strategies!

:popcorn:

:bow: :bow: :bow:
 

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neosapien23 said:
I don't know if you've been watching for the last 4 years, but the offensive line has sucked. It wasn't one bad game, it was 4 years of bad Oline play.

and who'd been the head coach for those 4 seasons now?

David
 

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neosapien23 said:
I don't know if you've been watching for the last 4 years, but the offensive line has sucked. It wasn't one bad game, it was 4 years of bad Oline play.

I've been watching alright. And no, I am not happy.

But the only person on the O-Line that's been here for the past 4 years is Flo.

We have 3/5 of the O-Line starting new players this season, and they only have 1 collective game under their belts.

I am also of the opinion that they really didn't play that awfully against a very stout defense.
 

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neosapien23 said:
Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

I think it's extremely optimistic to think we could get a 1st rounder for Carpenter - he wasn't a particularly high 1st rounder to begin with and now he is an NFL player who is looking at very little playing time.

As for trading for an O-lineman, there is no way to trade an unproven rookie LB for a proven O-lineman, or even an O-lineman that would have been worth taking as high as we took Carpenter.

I understand and agree that O-line is a need - the biggest need - but throwing away a high draft pick that hasn't had his chance to shine yet for whatever O-lineman we can get is not the answer.
 

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I think it's extremely optimistic to think we could get a 1st rounder for Carpenter - he wasn't a particularly high 1st rounder to begin with and now he is an NFL player who is looking at very little playing time.

As for trading for an O-lineman, there is no way to trade an unproven rookie LB for a proven O-lineman, or even an O-lineman that would have been worth taking as high as we took Carpenter.

I understand and agree that O-line is a need - the biggest need - but throwing away a high draft pick that hasn't had his chance to shine yet for whatever O-lineman we can get is not the answer.

I was thinking more along the lines of trading an unproven linebacker with loads of talent for some unproven lineman with loads of talent (ex..Justice and Guilles). However someone already stated that the cap hit for Carpenter was too high, so it is a moot point. There can be no mulligan for this draft.


BTW raise your hand if you think Rivera is done and the Cowboys need to stick a fork in him.
 

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neosapien23 said:
I was thinking more along the lines of trading an unproven linebacker with loads of talent for some unproven lineman with loads of talent (ex..Justice and Guilles). However someone already stated that the cap hit for Carpenter was too high, so it is a moot point. There can be no mulligan for this draft.

It's hard to say if that would be a good trade anyway - obviously Parcells thought Carpenter was the better choice over those guys on draft day.

I think it's way too early to say we need a mulligan on this draft anyway.
 

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neosapien23 said:
Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

:rolleyes:
 

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neosapien23 said:
Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

first I don't think giles is that great. he is a great straight ahead blocker but his feet are soooo sloww... don't ever ask him to pull.

Justice...hmmmm..... I heard he was soft.....but I have to see him play a little before I decide.

now, why trade carpenter when you start to build a good LB group you don't go breaking it up.

I would rather trade Burnett. he fits a 4-3 defense a lot more than a 3-4.

I take college as our RT...but again I would trade Burnett over Carpenter.
 

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Stautner said:
I think it's extremely optimistic to think we could get a 1st rounder for Carpenter - he wasn't a particularly high 1st rounder to begin with and now he is an NFL player who is looking at very little playing time.
Stautner said:
As for trading for an O-lineman, there is no way to trade an unproven rookie LB for a proven O-lineman, or even an O-lineman that would have been worth taking as high as we took Carpenter.

I understand and agree that O-line is a need - the biggest need - but throwing away a high draft pick that hasn't had his chance to shine yet for whatever O-lineman we can get is not the answer.

But....But....Carpenter is rated like 87 or something in Madden. That HAS to count for something! All you gotta do is find another 85-88 rated O-line player, throw in a 7th rounder and we get 'em.

-OR-

We could trade Carpenter AND Keith Davis for Steve Hutchinson!

J/K
 

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jdub2k4 said:
But....But....Carpenter is rated like 87 or something in Madden. That HAS to count for something! All you gotta do is find another 85-88 rated O-line player, throw in a 7th rounder and we get 'em.

-OR-

We could trade Carpenter AND Keith Davis for Steve Hutchinson!

J/K

I vote for the Hutchinson deal .........
 

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Carpenter will be solid once he is in the starting lineup. Patience is a virtue. Without it, you become reckless.
 

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dbair1967 said:
no they arnt...you can take average guys all the time and make them into a dependable, productive unit if you have good coaches working with them...we did it with Tony Wise and Hudson Houck here...New England has had a good line without highly drafted players for years...San Diego has a good OL and has for the past couple of seasons

David

Can you please explain this to Parcells.:D
 

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Tass said:
If you're going to trade someone, trade the older whiney dork Ellis and let the kid play the position we drafted him for.

Bingo!
 

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If you are going to play GM in Madden, at least put the salary cap on.

Aikman was winless his first year. Can't believe we didn't trade him for a 4th rounder.
 

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neosapien23 said:
It has nothing to do with Carpenter. I think he will be a fine starter. I just don't think linebacker is a weakness, I see O lineman as the crutch to keeping this franchise mediocre. I think Carpenter will be a terror is 3 years, but Oline needs help now. The linebacker core has alot of good depth, the Oline has none.


Have to admit...it makes sense...
 

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