With Jenkins gone and F. Jones questionable return

[DallasCowpoke]

EDIT: Should read "Felix"

That would leave a grand total of ZERO players left on this roster from the 2008 & 2009 drafts. Right at the point a player should be in the prime of their career, not one is doing it here.

That's basically the equivalent of a 2-year "death penalty" for a college program. What a waste.

 

[DFWJC]

It's a very large reason why this team is playing catchup right now.
They should have 5-6 players minumim from those two drafts that are big contributors by now.

In the past...they are moving on now.

 

[hornitosmonster]

here we go again.

 

[Idgit]

here we go again.

Only, this is a legitimate issue. Though, i will say at some point we shouldn't expect to be having too many players left over from the 2008 draft. We're going on 6 seasons in the league for that batch of players.

2009 was a disaster.

The good news is, the picks from 2010 are just entering their primes. From there on out, we should be building a decent roster.

 

[gimmesix]

EDIT: Should read "Felix"

That would leave a grand total of ZERO players left on this roster from the 2008 & 2009 drafts. Right at the point a player should be in the prime of their career, not one is doing it here.

That's basically the equivalent of a 2-year "death penalty" for a college program. What a waste.

Dallas seems to be doing better the past few years.

You know, one of my concerns about Wade Phillips when he was brought in as coach was that the talent level went down in his previous stops after he took over as head coach. His teams did not draft well.

I thought Parcells had established a system with Jerry that might keep that from happening, but I was wrong. At least there seems to be an upswing there with Garrett.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

What happened to all that talk about getting early round compensatory picks for these guys? When the open market hit we saw that nobody coveted these guys the way we thought they would. We'd be lucky to get a 7th round compensatory for Jenkins. It's funny how every offseason the other 31 teams have zero interest in guys we thought were irreplaceable.

 

[newera]

Scandrick was drafted in 2008. But the point remains

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I'm just hoping for us to actually gain a couple compensatory selections next because of it. They just didn't fit Garrett's team. I'm a huge fan of Jenkins and wish he became what he could've been here as a CB.

 

[arglebargle]

Doesn't New England have only one player left from the 2009 draft as well? And they had four 2nd round picks, iirc.

Though this sort of thing isn't good for any team.

 

[gimmesix]

Doesn't New England have only one player left from the 2009 draft as well? And they had four 2nd round picks, iirc.

Though this sort of thing isn't good for any team.

2009 overall was a bad draft. It could have been better than it was for us, but there were certainly a lot of misses to go around.

 

[arglebargle]

2009 overall was a bad draft. It could have been better than it was for us, but there were certainly a lot of misses to go around.

Yeah, a very poor year, though I think the Ravens did well that draft. Another feather for Ozzie Newsome's cap.

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

2009 overall was a bad draft. It could have been better than it was for us, but there were certainly a lot of misses to go around.

The Packers got B.J. Raji and Clay Matthews in that draft
The Giants got Hackeem Nicks and Will Beatty
The Eagles got LeSean McCoy and Jeremy Maclin

It wasn't the strongest draft but there were certainly players to be found and many teams found a bounty of them.

 

[Stash]

The Packers got B.J. Raji and Clay Matthews in that draft
The Giants got Hackeem Nicks and Will Beatty
The Eagles got LeSean McCoy and Jeremy Maclin

It wasn't the strongest draft but there were certainly players to be found and many teams found a bounty of them.

I was going to add this too.

Can't make excuses for how truly awful the Cowboys did.

I know we could be in infinitely better shape on the offensive line if we had actually cared enough about it to do so.

And I remember getting bashed for daring to criticize that draft when it happened too.

 

[xwalker]

EDIT: Should read "Felix"

That would leave a grand total of ZERO players left on this roster from the 2008 & 2009 drafts. Right at the point a player should be in the prime of their career, not one is doing it here.

That's basically the equivalent of a 2-year "death penalty" for a college program. What a waste.

The 2009 draft has minimal impact on the 2013 season. The 2009 draft primarily affected the 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 seasons.

The reason is that draft picks are on 4 year contracts. If Mike Jenkins had been great, then he would have cost the same as Brandon Carr. There is no discount to the team just because it drafted that player. In 2013 Dallas has Carr instead of Jenkins. It makes no difference that Carr was drafted by KC and Jenkins by Dallas.

Buffalo drafted Andy Levitre in 2009 and Dallas didn't. In 2013 he will have the same value for both teams, Zero, because he signed with the Titans as a Free Agent.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The Packers got B.J. Raji and Clay Matthews in that draft
The Giants got Hackeem Nicks and Will Beatty
The Eagles got LeSean McCoy and Jeremy Maclin

It wasn't the strongest draft but there were certainly players to be found and many teams found a bounty of them.

Broaddus was on talking cowboys the other day and said that Jerry was actually trying to or looking to trade up to get Jeremy Maclin in that draft.

Personally whether you liked or don't like Felix or Jenkins...I would not have liked trading up to get Maclin.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The 2009 draft has minimal impact on the 2013 season. The 2009 draft primarily affected the 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 seasons.

The reason is that draft picks are on 4 year contracts. If Mike Jenkins had been great, then he would have cost the same as Brandon Carr. There is no discount to the team just because it drafted that player. In 2013 Dallas has Carr instead of Jenkins. It makes no difference that Carr was drafted by KC and Jenkins by Dallas.

Buffalo drafted Andy Levitre in 2009 and Dallas didn't. In 2013 he will have the same value for both teams, Zero, because he signed with the Titans as a Free Agent.

No.

If you get good drafted players and develop them and you like them and decide you are going to later extend them or sign them to another contract...You would not both Go and spend big on Carr and also draft another CB in the draft. Chances are you probably could have signed Jenkins to a smaller contract than car as he would have not hit the open market as they probably would have already resigned him before he did.

Also you would not have to worry about going in this draft to get another RB because the one you drafted in the first round would be a good player. Part of the problem with drafting Felix is the idea that they drafted him to be a backup/change of pace back instead of drafting a starter (even with Barber in the mix).

You try to get a back this year that can be a starter not just a change of back pace that way when Murray goes down (as he probably will) you don't have to worry about a change of pace backup who already has a history of injuries trying to fill in.

Trying to playoff that draft as it would or has no impact on this coming season is not going to convince too many people or pull too many people to your side of thinking because it is not really sound.

 

[CATCH17]

Broaddus was on talking cowboys the other day and said that Jerry was actually trying to or looking to trade up to get Jeremy Maclin in that draft.

Personally whether you liked or don't like Felix or Jenkins...I would not have liked trading up to get Maclin.

Yeah I heard that we had interest in Maclin.

Kinda glad we didn't get him though. He's not all that and we may have passed on Dez.

If Miles could ever get healthy than I would take him over Maclin too. Heck, Maclin has probably been off the field more than Austin though.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

To me, the draft is partially about not reaching for players, not giving up too many picks for a player and then the rest is player development.

The '09 draft was likely to be a bust given what they gave up for Roy Williams. But, I didn't see any reaches there. The players they took were about where they were projected. Buehler may have been the exception.

The '08 draft was much the same. Felix was graded by everybody as a 1st rounder, including Rick Gosselin. The only gripe is that we took him over Mendenhall, but Mendenhall's career with the Steelers hasn't exactly been smooth. We took him over Chris Johnson, who had 1 great year in college and had shoulder issues.

And with Felix and Jenkins, a big part of the reason they are no longer on the team is due to their injuries. It's kinda like calling Ki-Jana Carter a 'bust' when everybody projected him to be a star and the Bengals were just unfortunate that he had injuries that nobody could predict.

To me, it's not a scouting issue or even a draft selection issue.

It's a player development issue.

The coaches at USF told the Cowboys that Jenkins was talented and generally a good kid. But, you HAD to stay on him because too often he would rest on his success. And Wade did the opposite with him and that's the results we got.

With Felix, the team just misused him. When he was unstoppable early on, they would too often forget to use him. Then when they realized their mistake, they completely overused him trying to make him a starter.

Felix was a player that needed about 5-10 carries a game and about 3-5 receptions a game and to work as a kickoff returner which he was great at early on in his career.

I think part of this can fall on Wade. But, there's also Garrett who was in charge of using and managing Felix and he did a poor job. And that Jerry still didn't understand the flaws in giving up that many draft picks for a WR or that we generally don't do well with players with an attitude like Bennett's.

It comes down to once again we have the ability to find talent, but we struggle with player development because we miss out on key things like meshing skill sets on the roster and not taking players who are more interested in being popular than being a good football player.







YR

 

[Idgit]

To me, the draft is partially about not reaching for players, not giving up too many picks for a player and then the rest is player development.

The '09 draft was likely to be a bust given what they gave up for Roy Williams. But, I didn't see any reaches there. The players they took were about where they were projected. Buehler may have been the exception.

The '08 draft was much the same. Felix was graded by everybody as a 1st rounder, including Rick Gosselin. The only gripe is that we took him over Mendenhall, but Mendenhall's career with the Steelers hasn't exactly been smooth. We took him over Chris Johnson, who had 1 great year in college and had shoulder issues.

And with Felix and Jenkins, a big part of the reason they are no longer on the team is due to their injuries. It's kinda like calling Ki-Jana Carter a 'bust' when everybody projected him to be a star and the Bengals were just unfortunate that he had injuries that nobody could predict.

To me, it's not a scouting issue or even a draft selection issue.

It's a player development issue.

The coaches at USF told the Cowboys that Jenkins was talented and generally a good kid. But, you HAD to stay on him because too often he would rest on his success. And Wade did the opposite with him and that's the results we got.

With Felix, the team just misused him. When he was unstoppable early on, they would too often forget to use him. Then when they realized their mistake, they completely overused him trying to make him a starter.

Felix was a player that needed about 5-10 carries a game and about 3-5 receptions a game and to work as a kickoff returner which he was great at early on in his career.

I think part of this can fall on Wade. But, there's also Garrett who was in charge of using and managing Felix and he did a poor job. And that Jerry still didn't understand the flaws in giving up that many draft picks for a WR or that we generally don't do well with players with an attitude like Bennett's.

It comes down to once again we have the ability to find talent, but we struggle with player development because we miss out on key things like meshing skill sets on the roster and not taking players who are more interested in being popular than being a good football player.

YR

I agree with your point, overall. We need to do a better job developing talent. We're slow to elevate some good players--Austin, Barber, Free, Murray (though he got in fairly quick on injury), Parnell, maybe--to the starting roster, and then have to make tough calls on extending them.

Felix, though, I'm not so sure he was misused. He showed huge flashes early with breaking those one-cut plays outside. Teams adjusted, he got hurt, then he added weight and was elevated to the starting lineup and looked to have lost some of his burst. From there, he's never looked like the same player, to me. He looked really pedestrian for the first half of the season last year coming back from his injury. He eventually rounded into decent shape, but was never that big play guy he used to be. Right now, I think he's a rotation player, at best, on a team that doesn't have better options.

I like Felix a lot, too, as far as he public persona is concerned. Team guy, looks like Dave Chapelle. What's not to like? I wish him the best, but don't think it's in the cards for him to be a starter anyplace from here on out.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What happened in 2008 happens to most teams. You lose players. I have no problem with what we did in 2008. It would've been impossible to give Mike Jenkins, Martellus Bennett and Felix Jones big money.

What happened in 2009 should never happen again but that's beating a dead horse at this point. People really need to let it go. 2009 was a failure soon as we traded our 1st rounder away.