Witten and Garrett's Offense

[TunaCaserole]

Driving home from work this evening I was listening to Movin' the Chains with Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan on Sirius.....A Giants fan called in to the show to talk about the NFC East....the caller thought Witten was best TE in the league. Kirwin disagreed. Said that teams that play the 'Boys design the defensive schemes to allow Witten to get open. Witten alone will not kill a defense. Defenses can double up on receivers going vertical and then converge to tackle Witten underneath.

At first I disagreed until I saw this years stats.
94 receptions 1030 yards 2 TD's

I think there's a scheme flaw in Red's offense if this is the case. Any opinions?:

 

[the truth of it all]

That may be partially true imo but his lack of td's and amount of yards are more an indication of the offenses problem. The red zone.
We seemed to have not much of a problem getting to it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I told you Kirwan was a moron.

 

[CF74]

There's some truth to that. We rack up yards between the 20's and then bog down in the redzone, gotta fix that...

 

[Rampage]

the tightends that put up bigger td numbers these days are the more athetic ones like Gates,Davis and Clark. Witten isn't anywhere near as athetic as those guys. he's a chain mover.

 

[dadymat]

Driving home from work this evening I was listening to Movin' the Chains with Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan on Sirius.....A Giants fan called in to the show to talk about the NFC East....the caller thought Witten was best TE in the league. Kirwin disagreed. Said that teams that play the 'Boys design the defensive schemes to allow Witten to get open. Witten alone will not kill a defense. Defenses can double up on receivers going vertical and then converge to tackle Witten underneath.

At first I disagreed until I saw this years stats.
94 receptions 1030 yards 2 TD's

I think there's a scheme flaw in Red's offense if this is the case. Any opinions?:

no...what is flawed is Kirwins credentials that dont live up to his arrogance.....he does this pony show every day on his show....someone brings up a known fact (ie Witten's talent) and he throws trash against the wall and preaches down upon the peons to believe him or they are ignorant...hes a putz with a failed NFL career...........Belichick says Witten is the guy to stop on our offense.....who ya gonna believ

 

[casmith07]

almost 100 catches, 1000+ yards and you think Witten doesn't have anything to do with it?

You think every defense we play schemes for Witten to get 10 and 20 yard gains and keep drives alive on 3rd down so that we can go 11-5 and win in the playoffs?

Okay.

 

[Eskimo]

the tightends that put up bigger td numbers these days are the more athetic ones like Gates,Davis and Clark. Witten isn't anywhere near as athetic as those guys. he's a chain mover.

Of course, none of those guys is nearly the blocker that Witten is. Those other guys are mostly used as oversized WRs.

I do agree Witten isn't the best pure receiving TE in the league - that honour goes to Gates and Clark. However, he is the best overall TE. Now if he could only avoid all those false starts, he'd be true greatness.

 

[theogt]

Kirwin > Belichick

 

[dadymat]

Kirwin > Belichick

at what?

 

[theogt]

at what?

Mustaches?

 

[dadymat]

Mustaches?

True that.......




and in wardrobe.....lol

 

[jrumann59]

that guy looks like victor from young and the restless circa 1985

 

[RainMan]

that guy looks like victor from young and the restless circa 1985

This is the second Victor-from-Young-and-the-Restless reference made on this site in the past several days.

I'm genuinely worried about CowboysZone's well-being right now. :laugh2:

 

[theebs]

I told you Kirwan was a moron.

Amen to that.

Who on earth would design a scheme to allow witten to get open. That is plain dumb.

and there are many reasons why wittens td numbers were down. Alot of it had to do with the team taking alot of shots to bennett/williams and crayton along with the running game.....In fact When rewatching alot of the games you can see teams paying a ton of attention to witten in that area which is the exact opposite of what kirwin thinks.

I think next year witten will get alot of those opportunities again.

 

[dbair1967]

I think there's a scheme flaw in Red's offense if this is the case. Any opinions?:

Was their a "scheme flaw" in 2006?

Witten only had 1 td that year, and only 64 receptions for the entire season.

 

[dbair1967]

Amen to that.

Who on earth would design a scheme to allow witten to get open. That is plain dumb.

and there are many reasons why wittens td numbers were down. Alot of it had to do with the team taking alot of shots to bennett/williams and crayton along with the running game.....In fact When rewatching alot of the games you can see teams paying a ton of attention to witten in that area which is the exact opposite of what kirwin thinks.

I think next year witten will get alot of those opportunities again.

Its not like he never scores tds...he's had 6 twice and 7 once in his career.

Teams definitely pay alot of attention to him down there.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I can tell you right now if a defensive coordinator said, "Hey coach, I have this great plan to use against Dallas. We're going to leave the Tight End open for underneath passes all day, not even cover him. Sure, they'll move it down the field, but we can try to hold them to field goals!" that guy would be looking for a new job fast.:laugh2:

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Witten is the best te
Wrs who line up as tes don't count

 

[Screw The Hall]

I'll remember to tell my grand kids when they're looking at Witten's bust in the HOF that it didn't have anything to do with him being great but instead it was due to all of those well paid defensive coordinators that didn't want Patrick Crayton and Roy Williams to have big gains instead of him.

Only the the President of Mensa could dream up a theory like that.