Woman gets three days in the slammer for wearing short shorts to court

[silverbear]

You guys are missing the point.

I know full well that judges will look at you and treat you differently based on something as silly as how you look. If I was called into court I certainly wouldn't wear shorts or a t-shirt.

I see-- all your woofing is just hot air... you will show the court a measure of respect, you just want us all to think you're too principled to do so...

The point is that the judge, IF HE IS DOING HIS JOB, is not going to be concerned with what someone is wearing. They should be unbiased about how they carry out their work. Facts are material, the rule of law is material. How you dress is not (unless it's relevant to the case somehow). All you guys have been doing is pointing out how judges are arrogant or corrupt and go above what they are supposed to be doing. They aren't doing their jobs well. And people are supposed to respect that??? If the judge expects respect, he better show respect as well.

We're not supposed to insult fellow posters, but you really are a fool... the ONLY point that matters is the judge has the power, and YOU DON'T... so even if you don't feel respect for the judge, for the court, you'd best by Gawd PRETEND that you do...

Or you too might find yourself sitting in a jail cell... the judge has the legal authority to find anybody who basically pisses him off to be in contempt of court... you might not like that, but what you like or dislike is simply not relevant...

And for the record, no, I don't think that judge was "arrogant or corrupt" when the woman showed her contempt for the court for the THIRD TIME... he let it slide twice, warning her both times, and she was STILL too freakin' stupid, or too freakin' stubborn, to listen to him...

Well, she wound up in jail... guess she's learned the lesson now...

A second point is that I HAVE always treated the courts with respect, and as a result, I have often gotten considerations that maybe I didn't fully deserve... just like I have sometimes gotten considerations from the police when hauled over for traffic violations, because I treat them with courtesy and respect... gotten out of a few citations just by doing that... meanwhile, you're probably the type who would show the cops attitude...

Throwing someone in jail for shorts is a complete lack of respect, and self control, and a complete abuse of authority.

Not when she'd been warned TWICE before that her attire was offensive to the court... the previous time, she'd even showed up braless... that's displaying a total contempt for the court, and when she did it a third time, it would have taken a positive saint of a judge NOT to cite her for contempt, and jail her... I actually think he showed restraint only jailing her for three days, and I'll bet the next time she shows up in court, she'll be dressed appropriately...

A judge is not better than someone simply because they are a judge. It is their job, they've worked hard to get there, good for them. Doesn't make them better than anyone else who works their tail off at whatever profession they have. You guys seem to give the judge a pass simply because he CAN do what he did, not because he should.

Yup, I give him a pass because he can throw my butt in jail... and y'know, when it comes right down to it, it doesn't require that much of a "sacrifice" to show up to court dressed acceptably... jeans are obviously OK, just don't wear the ripped up kind... even a t-shirt has become more or less acceptable, just don't wear one with something ignorant or vulgar written on it... judges understand that some of the folks who come before him are downright poor, and can't afford what I would call "nice clothes"... but at least show up in your personal "good clothes", and make sure they're CLEAN...

And how flippin' hard is that??

And SB, there are plenty of jobs where dressing in a suit would be completely stupid and make you look like a fool.

We're not talking about the job itself, we're talking about INTERVIEWING for the job... even if you're content with going for a factory job, you get a leg up by showing up looking your best... I for one didn't say a suit, I only own one suit, and I wear it to funerals and weddings, nowhere else... I might wear a sports jacket, I have a couple of those, but as I said, I don't care much for wearing a tie...

And if you're aiming for a GOOD job, one that pays good wages, then you'd be well-advised to make a positive first impression... you see, there will be all kinds of people lining up for those, and most of them will be in suits, or coat and tie... and the interviewers WILL make note of your personal appearance when you interview for that type of job... trust me on that one...

Again, by the tone of your post, I'm guessing you're quite young, and haven't yet had to experience the REAL world... probably a college kid, who hasn't yet had to get a job to pay bills... IOW, a classic "rebel without a clue"...

Well, hoss, the real world is not gonna be impressed with your independent, rebellious attitude... the real world will eat you up and spit you out if you show it this kind of 'tude, 'cause the real world doesn't think you're anything special... you'd best wise up and figure that out, quick...

And for God's sake, never, EVER even consider a career in the military... LOL...

There are times in life when a man is best served by putting a cork on his attitude, and giving the people in power the "yes sir, no sir, whatever you say, sir" treatment... it might choke in your craw a little, but it's in your best interest...

 

[Kevinicus]

I see-- all your woofing is just hot air... you will show the court a measure of respect, you just want us all to think you're too principled to do so...



We're not supposed to insult fellow posters, but you really are a fool... the ONLY point that matters is the judge has the power, and YOU DON'T... so even if you don't feel respect for the judge, for the court, you'd best by Gawd PRETEND that you do...

Or you too might find yourself sitting in a jail cell... the judge has the legal authority to find anybody who basically pisses him off to be in contempt of court... you might not like that, but what you like or dislike is simply not relevant...

And for the record, no, I don't think that judge was "arrogant or corrupt" when the woman showed her contempt for the court for the THIRD TIME... he let it slide twice, warning her both times, and she was STILL too freakin' stupid, or too freakin' stubborn, to listen to him...

Well, she wound up in jail... guess she's learned the lesson now...

A second point is that I HAVE always treated the courts with respect, and as a result, I have often gotten considerations that maybe I didn't fully deserve... just like I have sometimes gotten considerations from the police when hauled over for traffic violations, because I treat them with courtesy and respect... gotten out of a few citations just by doing that... meanwhile, you're probably the type who would show the cops attitude...



Not when she'd been warned TWICE before that her attire was offensive to the court... the previous time, she'd even showed up braless... that's displaying a total contempt for the court, and when she did it a third time, it would have taken a positive saint of a judge NOT to cite her for contempt, and jail her... I actually think he showed restraint only jailing her for three days, and I'll bet the next time she shows up in court, she'll be dressed appropriately...



Yup, I give him a pass because he can throw my butt in jail... and y'know, when it comes right down to it, it doesn't require that much of a "sacrifice" to show up to court dressed acceptably... jeans are obviously OK, just don't wear the ripped up kind... even a t-shirt has become more or less acceptable, just don't wear one with something ignorant or vulgar written on it... judges understand that some of the folks who come before him are downright poor, and can't afford what I would call "nice clothes"... but at least show up in your personal "good clothes", and make sure they're CLEAN...

And how flippin' hard is that??




We're not talking about the job itself, we're talking about INTERVIEWING for the job... even if you're content with going for a factory job, you get a leg up by showing up looking your best... I for one didn't say a suit, I only own one suit, and I wear it to funerals and weddings, nowhere else... I might wear a sports jacket, I have a couple of those, but as I said, I don't care much for wearing a tie...

And if you're aiming for a GOOD job, one that pays good wages, then you'd be well-advised to make a positive first impression... you see, there will be all kinds of people lining up for those, and most of them will be in suits, or coat and tie... and the interviewers WILL make note of your personal appearance when you interview for that type of job... trust me on that one...

Again, by the tone of your post, I'm guessing you're quite young, and haven't yet had to experience the REAL world... probably a college kid, who hasn't yet had to get a job to pay bills... IOW, a classic "rebel without a clue"...

Well, hoss, the real world is not gonna be impressed with your independent, rebellious attitude... the real world will eat you up and spit you out if you show it this kind of 'tude, 'cause the real world doesn't think you're anything special... you'd best wise up and figure that out, quick...

And for God's sake, never, EVER even consider a career in the military... LOL...

There are times in life when a man is best served by putting a cork on his attitude, and giving the people in power the "yes sir, no sir, whatever you say, sir" treatment... it might choke in your craw a little, but it's in your best interest...

Your entire post proves my point thank you. You care nothing about whether it's right or wrong, or if it should be an issue. Just that the judge can throw you in jail so it's all ok by you. If only you had the same respect for the president.

I'm not going to get myself thrown in jail. It's not something I care that much about. I have the means to dress "nicely" for court and would do so if the need came up. But just because I'm not going to do anything to get myself in trouble if I were in court doesn't mean I can't express my displeasure and annoyance at stupid, arrogant, high on their horse judges who are so full of themselves and their almighty power that they make an issue of stupid, asinine BS like whether or not someone wears shorts, or heaven forbid doesn't wear a bra, to court. Especially not when simply expressing that viewpoint on a message board.

And I was talking about the interview, not the actual job. And I was referring to good paying jobs too. Not all good paying jobs are so uppity that they are impressed by suits (one of the worst inventions ever btw) and the like.

And you are terribly off on your assessment of my life situation.

 

[the kid 05]

Why?

What does a collar do?

allows for poppage which means your "cool"

 

[silverbear]

Your entire post proves my point thank you. You care nothing about whether it's right or wrong, or if it should be an issue.

You're right, I don't... I don't because I, like you, don't have any say in the matter... what is, is, and all your "principled" bleating won't change it...

Just that the judge can throw you in jail so it's all ok by you.

I didn't say it was OK, I said that's the way it is... unlike you, I don't care much for playing Don Quixote, tilting at windmills...

Welcome to the real world; your name is apparently well-chosen, inasmuch as you apparently have a childlike view of the world... you seem to believe it's a fair place...

Guess again...

I'm not going to get myself thrown in jail. It's not something I care that much about. I have the means to dress "nicely" for court and would do so if the need came up.

Then you're not as stupid as the redneck woman you're defending... LOL...

But just because I'm not going to do anything to get myself in trouble if I were in court doesn't mean I can't express my displeasure and annoyance at stupid, arrogant, high on their horse judges who are so full of themselves and their almighty power that they make an issue of stupid, asinine BS like whether or not someone wears shorts, or heaven forbid doesn't wear a bra, to court. Especially not when simply expressing that viewpoint on a message board.

Yeah, this is just a message board, so you can sound off all you want; did I ever suggest you couldn't?? But you've just admitted that all your outraged rhetoric is just that, rhetoric, and if you were faced with a court date, you'd make sure to dress so as not to piss the judge off...

Which renders all your belligerent, principled braying somewhat less than compelling...

And I was talking about the interview, not the actual job. And I was referring to good paying jobs too. Not all good paying jobs are so uppity that they are impressed by suits (one of the worst inventions ever btw) and the like.

And what kind of job do you currently hold?? I repeat, if you want a GOOD job, you get a leg up by dressing well for the interview...

And just how old ARE you??

You can bet the woman that set you off on your little tirade is working some dead-end job... if she's working at all...

 

[Sarge]

I just dont value clothes the way some people do..

I'm in court 4-5 days per week. It's what I do. It is NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU VALUE clothes-wise, it's about the system and respect for same. If you show up wearing shorts etc., you're going to get thrown out - you're case will not be heard, many times. You're only hurting yourself.

Having said that, I've been doing this for many years and some will NEVER get it.......some in this very thread as a matter of fact.

 

[Hostile]

Well, I simply don't know what to say any more. There simply are certain things that are stupid to do and to in any way make a Judge think you are mocking his/her court is one of the stupidest.

Think about that word Judge for a minute. That person is going to do just that. Judge you. You never get a 2nd chance to make a good 1st impression.

If ya'll want to disrespect a court and a Judge and expect him/her to be fair and unbiased then good luck with that fairy tale. Look where it got the woman in the video. At least you'll have company.

Give me common sense over an altruistic stance that has as much use as spitting into the wind. Good luck with your pie in the sky philosophies. I hope you can change your little portion of the world. I'm not going to hold my breath. Blue is my favorite color, but not for my skin.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I went to court with my wife, she had a bad wreck and had to go to driving school, and there was a guy that was running his mouth saying how the judge couldn't make him do anything. He was also wearing some Terminator looking sunglasses inside. When the judge enters the room everyone BUT him stands. The judge just looked at him like WELL. He got an attitude when told to stand and take off his glasses. Finally gets up and starts to walk out. The judge calls him up to have a talk with him lol. She changed his attitude really quickly. :laugh2:

 

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

Am I the only one to notice that the judge in this case was a woman?

Also, if ever you have to go to court, even if you're the plaintiff, you had better dress respectfully.

This girl was clearly trying to press the judge's buttons, and it worked. She got what she deserved.

 

[Kevinicus]

You're right, I don't... I don't because I, like you, don't have any say in the matter... what is, is, and all your "principled" bleating won't change it...



I didn't say it was OK, I said that's the way it is... unlike you, I don't care much for playing Don Quixote, tilting at windmills...

Welcome to the real world; your name is apparently well-chosen, inasmuch as you apparently have a childlike view of the world... you seem to believe it's a fair place...

Guess again...



Then you're not as stupid as the redneck woman you're defending... LOL...



Yeah, this is just a message board, so you can sound off all you want; did I ever suggest you couldn't?? But you've just admitted that all your outraged rhetoric is just that, rhetoric, and if you were faced with a court date, you'd make sure to dress so as not to piss the judge off...

Which renders all your belligerent, principled braying somewhat less than compelling...



And what kind of job do you currently hold?? I repeat, if you want a GOOD job, you get a leg up by dressing well for the interview...

And just how old ARE you??

You can bet the woman that set you off on your little tirade is working some dead-end job... if she's working at all...

Wow, you spent all your time to respond to something and weren't even really responding to what I've been saying. I never said this was some major principle issue to me. I never said that things aren't like they are. All I did was say how STUPID it is that things are like they are, and how STUPID it is for judges to get so bent out of shape over something so asinine. Were there ever any calls for the judge's head? Any calls to set her free? You don't even say you disagree that it's stupid or wrong for a judge to get worked up over such an asinine thing. You just say, well this is the way it is, blah blah blah. Well DUH!!

Of course the world isn't fair, but that doesn't mean we should just accept it, or not have an opinion about it, or point out where it could easily be more fair without any detriment to anyone.

And you're just ignorant if you don't think there are jobs out there, GOOD PAYING JOBS, that don't much concern themselves with how someone is dressed for their interview, or that would actually consider it a negative if someone came to an interview in a suit instead of something far more casual. You just must be way too hold, probably in your 60's, stuck in your ways, unable to keep up with the changes in the world.

As for me, I work in a supervisory position for a government contractor. I'm in my 30's and have plenty of bills that I manage just fine, no thanks to people with the same politcal outlook as you who like to steal that money to give it to lazy people who won't get a decent job. It's no wonder you're so accepting that judges and/or government has the kind of control over things they were never meant to.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

my dad used to say this to me while I was growing up, and when I would put my elbows on the table:

you may not like this rule, but you need to follow it to function as part of society

society functions on norms, you're just gonna have to grin and bear it if you want to be apart of it, although some norms have been judged ammoral ie. the South being a slave-driven society, but showing up to court dressed respectfully is pretty benign and really simple to follow

 

[DallasCowpoke]

I've always been taught that dressing appropriately for the situation or environment you're in, was more a sign of respect for yourself, rather than those around you.

Pretty easy reading through this thread, who has no concept of this, and likely never will.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've always been taught that dressing appropriately for the situation or environment you're in, was more a sign of respect for yourself, rather than those around you.

Pretty easy reading through this thread, who has no concept of this, and likely never will.

I think it goes both ways

but right on

 

[Cowboysfan22]

Her innocence act was pretty good.

I know.

 

[DallasEast]

Okay. Just watched the video. She does have a good excuse. She's dumb as a brick.

For those who do not believe that you shouldn't have to dress appropriately for court because clothing should not have any bearing on one's appearance in court, if you get into trouble and have to appear before a judge, just show up nude. That'll teach the judge to appreciate Daisy Dukes from that point forward.

 

[Cochese]

I just missed jury duty this week, but if I got picked I was going to wear jeans and a long sleeved polo. Out of line, or what?

In my county, we get paid $10 a day for jury duty, so if they want a less than minnimum wage juror, I was prepared to give them one.

 

[jterrell]

First off let me state my wife works in a court. She is the one with a gun. Members of the Cowboys have appeared in her court wearing blue jeans.

She absolutely detests her judge. Says he is an arrogant idiot that talks about nothing outside of court but his finances.

There is definitely a line not to cross but there plenty of people who do not even own a suit or tie. Expecting someone to dress in a court beyond common decency is again ********.

BTW, the ACLU will take and win any case against a judge for charging you with contempt with wearing shorts or a t-shirt to court.

Plenty of judges wear shorts underneath those robes.
If they want people to wear a uniform just hand them a robe as they enter the courtroom.

The biggest problem with our legal system is it so biased towards money. As if a nice suit makes one less of a scumbag for being their in the first place.

 

[Hostile]

First off let me state my wife works in a court. She is the one with a gun. Members of the Cowboys have appeared in her court wearing blue jeans.

She absolutely detests her judge. Says he is an arrogant idiot that talks about nothing outside of court but his finances.

There is definitely a line not to cross but there plenty of people who do not even own a suit or tie. Expecting someone to dress in a court beyond common decency is again ********.

BTW, the ACLU will take and win any case against a judge for charging you with contempt with wearing shorts or a t-shirt to court.

Plenty of judges wear shorts underneath those robes.
If they want people to wear a uniform just hand them a robe as they enter the courtroom.

The biggest problem with our legal system is it so biased towards money. As if a nice suit makes one less of a scumbag for being their in the first place.

I don't think anyone said you should wear a suit and a tie.

I said, I wear a tie when there is a certain gravity to the case. I said defendants in capital cases wear suits and ties.

I have appeared in court in jeans, tennis shoes, and a collared shirt. As long as they are clean.

I would not even consider a t-shirt, shorts, sandals, or a lot of things women wear like mini skirts, tank tops, tube tops, etc. I would never wear work clothes to court. I would never wear lounge cothes to court. I also would never have a cell phone turned on in a court room.

There are some things you just don't do if you are wanting that person with the gavel to think kindly on you.

 

[jterrell]

I don't think anyone said you should wear a suit and a tie.

I said, I wear a tie when there is a certain gravity to the case. I said defendants in capital cases wear suits and ties.

I have appeared in court in jeans, tennis shoes, and a collared shirt. As long as they are clean.

I would not even consider a t-shirt, shorts, sandals, or a lot of things women wear like mini skirts, tank tops, tube tops, etc. I would never wear work clothes to court. I would never wear lounge cothes to court. I also would never have a cell phone turned on in a court room.

There are some things you just don't do if you are wanting that person with the gavel to think kindly on you.

I wouldn't do that either but I know there are people out there who wouldn't be intentionally offending anyone. There are women who really do only own those ridiculous clothes.

I just personally believe the way to respect the laws and those who are paid to enforce/judicate them is to not break them.

And that if you do break them, hire a lawyer and have him argue with the judge for you because it is simply not meant in our legal system to be friendly to individuals without an attorney.

I wouldn't show up at court in a mankini or even in a t-shirt nowadays but if I made 8 bucks an hour and didn't own any nicer clothes it would be quite messed up to judge me harshly for wearing a t-shirt and jeans.