Word of Muth: Hope For Dallas?

[TonyRomo17]

His weekly review, this time about the Patriots game.Have to say that reading this confirmed some of my thoughts..Looks like Martin is healthy again folks

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/word-muth/2015/word-muth-hope-dallas

Center Travis Frederick looked much better than he did in the first Dallas game I wrote about this year. He returned to last year's form when it came to reaching defensive tackles. Tyron Smith played great, like he has all year. He was dominant as a pass blocker and did a nice job in the running game as well. But the guy I want to focus on this week is Zack Martin at right guard, who was fantastic.

 

[RunDMC]

Yeah the big three on the line looked good. Problem was Free and Leary were liabilities yet again. Collins will be an upgrade. Not much we can do about Free right now though.

 

[fortdick]

"I thought right tackle Doug Free and left guard Ronald Leary both played worse against New England than they typically do . . . . . but neither was terrible. "

So, does this statement mean they normally play well? It just seems to be double speak to emphasize a point you are trying to make.

Do I expect Leary or Free to play to the level of our three pro bowl linemen? No, I don't, anymore than I would expect Williams to play to the level or Dez. Yet people for some reason want to hold them to that standard.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

"I thought right tackle Doug Free and left guard Ronald Leary both played worse against New England than they typically do . . . . . but neither was terrible. "

So, does this statement mean they normally play well? It just seems to be double speak to emphasize a point you are trying to make.

Do I expect Leary or Free to play to the level of our three pro bowl linemen? No, I don't, anymore than I would expect Williams to play to the level or Dez. Yet people for some reason want to hold them to that standard.

He is saying both played below expectations but not so far below as to qualify as terrible.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah the big three on the line looked good. Problem was Free and Leary were liabilities yet again. Collins will be an upgrade. Not much we can do about Free right now though.

I only takes one bad block to ruin a running play and that includes TEs.

An OL of 5 really good player is better than one with 3 great players and 2 questionable players.

Hopefully Collins is good but he had some mistakes when he played before.

It's really hard to overcome Free's limitations. He has single handedly killed many run plays this season.

 

[xwalker]

"I thought right tackle Doug Free and left guard Ronald Leary both played worse against New England than they typically do . . . . . but neither was terrible. "

So, does this statement mean they normally play well? It just seems to be double speak to emphasize a point you are trying to make.

Do I expect Leary or Free to play to the level of our three pro bowl linemen? No, I don't, anymore than I would expect Williams to play to the level or Dez. Yet people for some reason want to hold them to that standard.

This guys reminds me a little of Broaddus. He knows some things but can't quite put it all together logically.

 

[RunDMC]

I only takes one bad block to ruin a running play and that includes TEs.

An OL of 5 really good player is better than one with 3 great players and 2 questionable players.

Hopefully Collins is good but he had some mistakes when he played before.

It's really hard to overcome Free's limitations. He has single handedly killed many run plays this season.

Should've re-signed Parnell and let Free go.

Stupid to keep the older player who had hit his ceiling versus letting the young and clearly superior player leave in free agency.

 

[xwalker]

Should've re-signed Parnell and let Free go.

Stupid to keep the older player who had hit his ceiling versus letting the young and clearly superior player leave in free agency.

It was their biggest mistake other than keeping Weed.

I think Parnell would have accepted the contract they gave Free because he couldn't know how much he would get in free agency.

 

[kiheikiwi]

This is why I have not and will not criticize the use of a 3rd round pick on Chaz Green. He was/is the eventual replacement for Free. Just to bad he got hurt early in camp, if not for that, he would have been practicing all this time, and could have relieved Free at times. As it looks like he is not over the 2 surgeries yet. Depending if Green comes off IR or they shelve him till next year, but at least they were aware and planning for the future. Greens injury just derailed it for awhile.

 

[Idgit]

It was their biggest mistake other than keeping Weed.

I think Parnell would have accepted the contract they gave Free because he couldn't know how much he would get in free agency.

I think that's highly unlikely. Parnell was well-positioned for FA. He's have been getting horrible advice if he offered Dallas anything other than a nominal right-of-first-refusal on whatever the market brought him.

 

[Iago33]

This is why I have not and will not criticize the use of a 3rd round pick on Chaz Green. He was/is the eventual replacement for Free. Just to bad he got hurt early in camp, if not for that, he would have been practicing all this time, and could have relieved Free at times. As it looks like he is not over the 2 surgeries yet. Depending if Green comes off IR or they shelve him till next year, but at least they were aware and planning for the future. Greens injury just derailed it for awhile.

I've been trying to get an update on Green. This sounds like you've heard something. Update?

 

[kiheikiwi]

I've been trying to get an update on Green. This sounds like you've heard something. Update?

Just saw the Broaddus (spl) said that he is still getting healthy. No idea if he will come off IR or not.
Just like that they had a plan.
Bummer he got injured.
Hopefully it's not a red shirt type of deal. Don't expect him to do much this year, but I am hopeful for next.

 

[xwalker]

I think that's highly unlikely. Parnell was well-positioned for FA. He's have been getting horrible advice if he offered Dallas anything other than a nominal right-of-first-refusal on whatever the market brought him.

It would have been a situation before the start of free agency where they said, here is the offer, if you don't take it were going to give it to Free. It just seems like a big risk for a guy with 8 career starts to turn down 5 million per year.

The main point is that I don't think they made him any type of offer because they were dead set on retaining Free. I think Garrett was the main person "standing on the table" to retain Free. I like Garrett as the HC, but he seems to get attached to certain players. He went on and on defending Weed after they made the announcement that Cassel was going to be the starter.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I only takes one bad block to ruin a running play and that includes TEs.

An OL of 5 really good player is better than one with 3 great players and 2 questionable players.

Hopefully Collins is good but he had some mistakes when he played before.

It's really hard to overcome Free's limitations. He has single handedly killed many run plays this season.

to your point, they're really missing Hanna's run-blocking at TE.

 

[DogFace]

That last play shows exactly why many, including me were wrong about Murrays importance. Although, I still don't think he was worth the money. That should've been a Td. Easily. Maybe Cmike can do better.

 

[xwalker]

to your point, they're really missing Hanna's run-blocking at TE.

Yes, I've seen some runs fail or be limited due to the blocking of the TEs. I do think Swaim will get to Hanna's level at some point if he gets enough snaps. He is very tenacious when blocking and causes some LBs to try to fight him. His only issue is just perfecting the technique/timing.

 

[Sydla]

Since I have no idea because I am not paying attention, but how is Parnell even playing in Jax?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

"I thought right tackle Doug Free and left guard Ronald Leary both played worse against New England than they typically do . . . . . but neither was terrible. "

So, does this statement mean they normally play well? It just seems to be double speak to emphasize a point you are trying to make.

Do I expect Leary or Free to play to the level of our three pro bowl linemen? No, I don't, anymore than I would expect Williams to play to the level or Dez. Yet people for some reason want to hold them to that standard.

Leary was really good last year. And Free was very good in the run game and solid in pass protection.

I hold Leary to that standard because he's young and played at such a high level last season. Even in the season prior, he was stout in pass protection. This year he is noticeably slow off the ball and with his footwork and loses his leverage too easily.

Free seems to lack endurance. And the fact is that he needs to have some help in order to be productive...usually from Witten or Hanna.

I think we are seeing the same issue that Cleveland has had despite having a top notch O-Line. If you don't have playmakers then you're not going to be effective even if you had an O-Line consisting of Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, Dwight Stephenson, Larry Allen and Art Shell.




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[xwalker]

Since I have no idea because I am not paying attention, but how is Parnell even playing in Jax?

I studied him in 2 games this season. He was better than their LT who was the #2 overall pick in the 2013 draft.

I actually expected him to struggle at the beginning of the season in a new scheme because he only had 8 career starts; however, he was quite good. They had him block down on Suh at times in the Miami game and he was able to get movement on Suh which is something many OLinemen can't do. His pass blocking was good, not perfect, but good. Their QB tends to hold the ball a long time which puts a strain on the OL in pass blocking.

Back to the Cowboys, they've had running plays fail because Free couldn't block a 6-2, 240 pound LB. It's very sad.

 

[fortdick]

Leary was really good last year. And Free was very good in the run game and solid in pass protection.

I hold Leary to that standard because he's young and played at such a high level last season. Even in the season prior, he was stout in pass protection. This year he is noticeably slow off the ball and with his footwork and loses his leverage too easily.

Free seems to lack endurance. And the fact is that he needs to have some help in order to be productive...usually from Witten or Hanna.

I think we are seeing the same issue that Cleveland has had despite having a top notch O-Line. If you don't have playmakers then you're not going to be effective even if you had an O-Line consisting of Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, Dwight Stephenson, Larry Allen and Art Shell.



YR

But Cleveland has yet to turn JFF loose!