Worst QBs of all time

[Vintage]

I'm still hung up on someone calling Harrington an excellent QB.

 

[JRid21]

Totally agree... I'd say you need a minimum of 80-90 games before you can start talking about any QB comparison talk in today's NFL.

Look at Kurt Warner. They were elevating him to Johnny Unitas and Bart Starr status in '99 (his first full season) and he was washed up after the '01 season. Now look at him... he's fighting off a bunch of diaper donning kids to be a starter.

Long story short, a season or two doesn't mean much any more.

Kurt has also had struggles with injuries including broken finger, groin injuries,among others. He has had his share of injuries and im guessing he had some sort of shoulder injury in addition to the broken finger because i remember going into the 2002/2003 season he had lost some velocity on his passes and he was struggling which led to Bulger becoming the starter in St Louis. Warner has been pretty consistent in his career minus the 2002-2003 seasons. Here his a game by game log from last year

2007 Game LogPassingRushingWEEKOPPRESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
1@SF L 20-17 Did Not Play
2SEAW 23-20 Did Not Play
3@BAL L 26-23 15 20 258 75 37 2 0 150.0 0 0 0.0 0
4PITW 21-14 14 21 132 67 20 1 0 99.7 1 0 0.0 0
5@STL W 34-31 14 28 190 50 34 1 1 69.0 3 0 0.0 1
6CARL 25-10 2 2 21 100 16 0 0 110.4 0 0 0.0 0
7@WAS L 21-19 27 41 282 66 43 2 2 81.6 1 0 0.0 0
8 Bye
9@TB L 17-10 10 30 172 33 47 0 2 26.0 0 0 0.0 0
10DETW 31-21 26 36 259 72 20 3 1 108.4 4 -2 -0.5 0
11@CIN W 35-27 16 28 211 57 44 2 0 104.9 2 -2 -1.0 0
12SFL 37-31 (OT)34 48 484 71 62 2 2 99.7 0 0 0.0 0
13CLEW 27-21 18 30 169 60 19 2 1 83.9 1 0 0.0 0
14@SEA L 42-21 28 46 337 61 38 3 5 65.5 0 0 0.0 0
15@NO L 31-24 19 30 233 63 25 3 1 106.7 1 0 0.0 0
16ATLW 30-27 (OT)35 52 369 67 31 3 0 107.0 1 0 0.0 0
17STLW 48-19 23 39 300 59 26 3 2 87.6


He was 36 last year and was consistent all year minus the first St. Louis game, the Tampa Bay game, and the Seattle game.

 

[kinderwords51]

isnt Wright still playing?

Last time I heard he was playing for the Ravens and then Giants. And then I think he signed with Cincinnati.

 

[Tovya]

Kurt has also had struggles with injuries including broken finger, groin injuries,among others. He has had his share of injuries and im guessing he had some sort of shoulder injury in addition to the broken finger because i remember going into the 2002/2003 season he had lost some velocity on his passes and he was struggling which led to Bulger becoming the starter in St Louis. Warner has been pretty consistent in his career minus the 2002-2003 seasons. Here his a game by game log from last year

2007 Game LogPassingRushingWEEKOPPRESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD 1@SF L 20-17 Did Not Play 2SEAW 23-20 Did Not Play 3@BAL L 26-23 15 20 258 75 37 2 0 150.0 0 0 0.0 0 4PITW 21-14 14 21 132 67 20 1 0 99.7 1 0 0.0 0 5@STL W 34-31 14 28 190 50 34 1 1 69.0 3 0 0.0 1 6CARL 25-10 2 2 21 100 16 0 0 110.4 0 0 0.0 0 7@WAS L 21-19 27 41 282 66 43 2 2 81.6 1 0 0.0 0 8 Bye 9@TB L 17-10 10 30 172 33 47 0 2 26.0 0 0 0.0 0 10DETW 31-21 26 36 259 72 20 3 1 108.4 4 -2 -0.5 0 11@CIN W 35-27 16 28 211 57 44 2 0 104.9 2 -2 -1.0 0 12SFL 37-31 (OT)34 48 484 71 62 2 2 99.7 0 0 0.0 0 13CLEW 27-21 18 30 169 60 19 2 1 83.9 1 0 0.0 0 14@SEA L 42-21 28 46 337 61 38 3 5 65.5 0 0 0.0 0 15@NO L 31-24 19 30 233 63 25 3 1 106.7 1 0 0.0 0 16ATLW 30-27 (OT)35 52 369 67 31 3 0 107.0 1 0 0.0 0 17STLW 48-19 23 39 300 59 26 3 2 87.6


He was 36 last year and was consistent all year minus the first St. Louis game, the Tampa Bay game, and the Seattle game.

Don't get me wrong... I actually enjoyed his little run, and actually he still get sparks of it here and there even as late as last season...

My point wasn't that Warner was a fake talent. My point was that a lot can happen from one year to the next... this season's legend is next season's washout. Sometimes it's because of injuries, and sometimes it because you just have enough juice in you to make a single run at it.

Only time can really tell what a player will be remembered for...

Even if Tom Brady were to retire today, he will go down in greatness for his 3 rings (and for screwing up the perfect season, LOL, sorry just had to say it). But he'd be leaving a track record of success....

Warner was AMAZING in his little run, but his run crashed and he'll always be remembered for what he COULD have been.

Therefore, the same goes for Tony and Eli. If Romo (God forbid) or him were to blow out their throwing arms tomorrow, all of this talk wouldn't mean a whole lot. Eli would always be known as the sub-par QB who had just enough in him for a few spiffy plays to get his ring. And Romo would always be a thorn in our butts to remind us of what could have been...

What does this all mean? Not a lot really. It just means that we'll have to sit back and see where both QB go before we can declare the QB king of the NFC East. A lot can happen in one game... just ask Warner as you pointed out.

 

[Tovya]

FYI, when I actually started replying to the thread (see above posts) I actually got it confussed with our Romo/Manning thread... sorry! But interesting talk none-the-less. ;-D

 

[Wrangler87]

Never got a chance? BP's MO is and has always been sit and learn.

Henson sat two years and still couldn't read defenses fast enough to play at a high level in NFL Europa.

Henson is the one to blame here. He could have been a very solid QB had he not pursued baseball. Physical tools, smart. But that read and react stuff, you can't put that to bed for a couple of years and expect it to come back.

I don't know, he had some really good plays in Europa, until he was slowed by injury.

 

[DanTanna]

No one mentioned our QB Sweeney. Remember him?

 

[Nors]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=545

Statistical reference.

It's not going to translate if I copy/paste, so notable Dallas mentions were Troy Aikman's 89 and 90 seasons being the worst performance in the entire league for those two years.

Quincy Carter ranked as the worst Cowboys QB of all time - but it was notable that the Cowboys didn't have a QB on that list until you got to 30th worst, which is pretty impressive. The only teams ranking higher were Minnesota and Jacksonville.

Quincy Carter took that team to the playoffs.

 

[switzersflask]

Drew Henson
Chad Hutchensin
Tony Banks
Ryan Leaf

haha Drew Henson. A turd I knew was on his sack so hard. He bashed Romo so hard but was in so much love with Henson.

He did the same for Julius. Even when Barber proved he was the man, this goober religiously defended him.

Guess I can't say much though, I did the same for Hutch. But when Romo hit the scene and I watched him play, I called it and said he was a future great. I also said Dallas would have a great season then be 1 and done in the playoffs, which is why I try not to make predictions for postseasons, college or NFL.

I've been owned just a bit too much in the past few years with my college team. *pukes*

 

[Disturbed]

I've been owned just a bit too much in the past few years with my college team. *pukes*

You should add a gun with your flask....and Switzer was funny, I bet you could find a gem of a statement somewhere....:

 

[switzersflask]

You should add a gun with your flask....and Switzer was funny, I bet you could find a gem of a statement somewhere....:

LOL.... good ole switzer... I would love to sit back and talk football with him, Jimmy, and Jerry while drinking some whiskey out of some Jerry Jones whiskey glasses. lol

Them and possibly Frank Broyles from Arkansas. I bet they have some saucy football stories to tell.

 

[Disturbed]

LOL.... good ole switzer... I would love to sit back and talk football with him, Jimmy, and Jerry while drinking some whiskey out of some Jerry Jones whiskey glasses. lol

Them and possibly Frank Broyles from Arkansas. I bet they have some saucy football stories to tell.

Yeah, on and off the field. I bet Switzer could tell the biggest tales though...he just seems like he likes to live on the edge. To be honest, I'd probably be willing to buy the video of that session...

 

[switzersflask]

Yeah, on and off the field. I bet Switzer could tell the biggest tales though...he just seems like he likes to live on the edge. To be honest, I'd probably be willing to buy the video of that session...

I remember big Nate was on ESPN radio one day talking. He said you'll never leave a conversation with Switzer not liking the man.

It's too bad things couldn't work out, same goes for the Jimster too. Barry, Jimmy, and Jerry are the three headed monsters of all levels of football.

 

[burmafrd]

Warner will always now be considered a flash in the pan. He was a monster for 2 years only. Sort of like Culpepper was that one year. Or Rypien.
Just goes to show that you need more then a couple to really rate.
To me it takes at least 5 years of steady play to really figure out how good a QB is; and even then you have to take account of the talent around him and coaching he had. There have been some very good QBs that were doomed by garbage around them- Archie Manning probably the most notible. There is no telling how good he could have been if he had been able to escape NO after his rookie contract ran out.

 

[leeblair]

I still believe the difference between a great quarterback and a 'bust' is the organization that he is fortunate enough to land with.


If Troy Aikman had gone to Detroit, Miami, and then to Atlanta last year, he would have been labled a bust.


If Joe Montana had gone to Detroit, he would have been labeled a bust.

The thread should contain the worst GM's in the history of the NFL; because that's where the real blame lies.

 

[Hostile]

I still believe the difference between a great quarterback and a 'bust' is the organization that he is fortunate enough to land with.


If Troy Aikman had gone to Detroit, Miami, and then to Atlanta last year, he would have been labled a bust.


If Joe Montana had gone to Detroit, he would have been labeled a bust.

The thread should contain the worst GM's in the history of the NFL; because that's where the real blame lies.

There is a lot of truth to this and it's not just QBs. For a player to reach his potential it takes a lot of factors coming together.

For instance look at how good Herschell Walker was here. Then look at him with the Vikings. Nowhere close. Why? Because here he ran in the I formation behind a true FB and in gaps suited to his abilities. Minnesota never gave him that. At Georgia he scelled in the I. In the USFL he excelled in the I. Here, he excelled in the I. They were stupid not to stick with what worked but it didn't fit their system and it flopped.

 

[Tovya]

Warner will always now be considered a flash in the pan. He was a monster for 2 years only. Sort of like Culpepper was that one year. Or Rypien.
Just goes to show that you need more then a couple to really rate.
To me it takes at least 5 years of steady play to really figure out how good a QB is; and even then you have to take account of the talent around him and coaching he had. There have been some very good QBs that were doomed by garbage around them- Archie Manning probably the most notible. There is no telling how good he could have been if he had been able to escape NO after his rookie contract ran out.

HAHA, Mark Rypien! OMG, I remember that year. My uncle (who is a die hard 'Skins worshiper) was crowning him as the second coming of Joe Theismann in '91... and we all know what happened to him.

As for the the 5 years, that's the number I use too... There has just been to many fly-by-night successes in the NFL QB scene to use a single season (or 2 or 3) as the barometer of a QBs talent.