Would our GM draft a WR/QB when the defense goes begging?

[IrishAnto]

He's most definitely on his last legs.

Apparently 673 yards and 3 TDs with a 9.8 YPC is somehow setting the clock back on Father Time.

It doesn't matter, while he's here no one will get a "look in".

Escobar isn't a good blocker but he can catch.

Care to tell me how much of an influence he had on last season?

 

[stilltheguru88]

I was team OJ but to be honest, I'd pass on him even if he fell to us. We don't have any isssues scoring points imo.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It doesn't matter, while he's here no one will get a "look in".

Escobar isn't a good blocker but he can catch.

Care to tell me how much of an influence he had on last season?

What does Escobar have to do with anything?

Two things can be equally true; Escobar can't block and Witten is close to done.

BTW, Witten isn't nearly the blocking dynamo some fans want to make him out to be, at least at this point in his career.

You bring up the notion of "the team keeps bringing in highly drafted TEs and they don't do anything." That's historically right, but the context has changed.

The last premium pick we have spent on a TE was Escobar in 2013; Witten had just turned 31 and was coming off a 1,000 yard season. He was still heavily integrated into the offense. He's now going on 35 and has seen his role/production decrease the past few years.

If McClay is as smart as we think he is and Jerry a changed man, they'll consider looking for Witten's successor sooner than later.

 

[IrishAnto]

What does Escobar have to do with anything?

Two things can be equally true; Escobar can't block and Witten is close to done.

BTW, Witten isn't nearly the blocking dynamo some fans want to make him out to be, at least at this point in his career.

You bring up the notion of "the team keeps bringing in highly drafted TEs and they don't do anything." That's historically right, but the context has changed.

The last premium pick we have spent on a TE was Escobar in 2013; Witten had just turned 31 and was coming off a 1,000 yard season. He was still heavily integrated into the offense. He's now going on 35 and has seen his role/production decrease the past few years.

If McClay is as smart as we think he is and Jerry a changed man, they'll consider looking for Witten's successor sooner than later.

Escobar has everything to do with it.

A high draft pick who has a marginal impact on the field of play shows (and not for the first time) that while Witten is playing for the Boys the coaching staff have little idea how to use any other TE.

As for Witten’s role reducing, he was part of 96% of the offensive plays last year.

I’d suspect strongly if his role does reduce he’ll still be on the field 90% of the time, giving little chance to anyone else.

We drafted Gathers last year. An “athletic freak” who needs to learn the position.

Coach him up and see what you get.

If nothing and Witten goes then by all means spend a high pick.

Until then outside of QB and RB you could use the pick on just about any other position and improve the team overall.

 

[tyke1doe]

I have no objection spending a 1-2 pick on anyone we can actually use next year and going forward for the next few years.

That IMO would preclude drafting a QB, RB or TE.

Anything else I can handle.

I know it won't happen, but if Fournette or Cook happened to drop to #28, I don't think you could pass either up even if we have Zeke.
If we're committed to being a running team, you fortify your backfield. We took Zeke out too many times, and we didn't seem to trust Dunbar, Morris or McFadden.

And one of the most underrated stories of the Super Bowl was the injury to Tevin Coleman that severely hurt the Falcons' rushing attack. It was as if they abandoned the run when he went out of the game with an injury.

We seem to move away from the run when Zeke is out. But I wouldn't be against a two-headed monster in Zeke/Fournette, Zeke/Cook, even if that's a lot of money to invest in the running back position.

But I'm all for the BPA.

 

[IrishAnto]

I know it won't happen, but if Fournette or Cook happened to drop to #28, I don't think you could pass either up even if we have Zeke.
If we're committed to being a running team, you fortify your backfield. We took Zeke out too many times, and we didn't seem to trust Dunbar, Morris or McFadden.

And one of the most underrated stories of the Super Bowl was the injury to Tevin Coleman that severely hurt the Falcons' rushing attack. It was as if they abandoned the run when he went out of the game with an injury.

We seem to move away from the run when Zeke is out. But I wouldn't be against a two-headed monster in Zeke/Fournette, Zeke/Cook, even if that's a lot of money to invest in the running back position.

But I'm all for the BPA.

If that were to happen I would trade the pick (and I’m sure I’d get takers).

Why spend a 1st when you can get a DeMarco Murry in the 3rd?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Escobar has everything to do with it.

A high draft pick who has a marginal impact on the field of play shows (and not for the first time) that while Witten is playing for the Boys the coaching staff have little idea how to use any other TE.

As for Witten’s role reducing, he was part of 96% of the offensive plays last year.

I’d suspect strongly if his role does reduce he’ll still be on the field 90% of the time, giving little chance to anyone else.

We drafted Gathers last year. An “athletic freak” who needs to learn the position.

Coach him up and see what you get.

If nothing and Witten goes then by all means spend a high pick.

Until then outside of QB and RB you could use the pick on just about any other position and improve the team overall.

His role as a main focal point in the offense (as a receiver) has been reduced. That's undeniable.

Of course Witten saw a ton of snaps last year, Escobar is one-dimensional, Hanna was out all of last year as was Swaim for the most part. There was nobody behind him. We even tried making Vince Mayle an H-back to pick up some of the slack.

The context in which we previously drafted TEs has changed.

 

[IrishAnto]

His role as a main focal point in the offense (as a receiver) has been reduced. That's undeniable.

Of course Witten saw a ton of snaps last year, Escobar is one-dimensional, Hanna was out all of last year as was Swaim for the most part. There was nobody behind him. We even tried making Vince Mayle an H-back to pick up some of the slack.

The context in which we previously drafted TEs has changed.

But the coaching staff's ability to use any other TE besides Witten has not.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

But the coaching staff's ability to use any other TE besides Witten has not.

Linehan has only been the OC since 2015, so has is that remotely accurate?

 

[IrishAnto]

Linehan has only been the OC since 2015, so has is that remotely accurate?

Garrett was OC when Bennett and Escobar were drafted.

But Garrett couldn't use either TE and Linehan can't use Escobar.

Garrett is Linehan's boss and I'm sure has input on how Linehan goes about his business.

If as you say Witten isn't up to the job in the passing game, then why not use Escobar more in the passing game?

After all catching the ball is his strength and we did spend a 2nd round pick on him.

And the obvious answer is Witten gets the overwhelming bulk of the reps and that won't change until Witten is no longer a Cowboy.

Therefore a high draft pick on a TE would go to waste.

The evidence speaks for itself.

Not once, not twice but three times (Fasano, Bennett, Escobar)

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Garrett was OC when Bennett and Escobar were drafted.

But Garrett couldn't use either TE and Linehan can't use Escobar.

Garrett is Linehan's boss and I'm sure has input on how Linehan goes about his business.

If as you say Witten isn't up to the job in the passing game, then why not use Escobar more in the passing game?

After all catching the ball is his strength and we did spend a 2nd round pick on him.

And the obvious answer is Witten gets the overwhelming bulk of the reps and that won't change until Witten is no longer a Cowboy.

Therefore a high draft pick on a TE would go to waste.

The evidence speaks for itself.

Not once, not twice but three times (Fasano, Bennett, Escobar)

Catching the ball is Witten's strength too and he's also an adequate blocker. Escobar isn't the latter.

Bringing up Fasano ('06), Bennett ('08) and Escobar ('13) is citing history without context.

If we were hypothetically to take a TE high, say O.J. Howard, then Witten should/would be transitioned out in 2017. To act like drafting a TE now to play behind a 35-year old Witten is somehow the same context of drafting Fasano to pair with Witten is offbase.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Just looking at where the talent is projected to be available at 28, I can't see any WR worthy of taking over one of the many very good edge rushers. Corey Davis isn't so great a WR that I would take him over Charles Harris, TJ Watt, or whatever edge player will be there. It would be foolish to go for the flash player just to be flashy. We need to rush the QB & knock him on his ***--period. That means taking at least TWO edge rushers with the first four picks. Anything less, & we're back here next year again without a ring.

 

[IrishAnto]

Catching the ball is Witten's strength too and he's also an adequate blocker. Escobar isn't the latter.

Bringing up Fasano ('06), Bennett ('08) and Escobar ('13) is citing history without context.

If we were hypothetically to take a TE high, say O.J. Howard, then Witten should/would be transitioned out in 2017. To act like drafting a TE now to play behind a 35-year old Witten is somehow the same context of drafting Fasano to pair with Witten is offbase.

So one minute he's declining and the next minute he's so good that the coaches can't find targets for Escobar!!!

The context is that the cowboys have tried three times and failed to use any other TE other than Witten.

How hard is that to get???

And guess what, Witten is here for at least another year and quite obviously still good enough to keep the latest 2nd round on the bench.

If they waste another 1-2 round pick on a TE I'm sure you can get a nice warm feeling as he helps Garrett with the sideline clapping.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

So one minute he's declining and the next minute he's so good that the coaches can't find targets for Escobar!!!

The context is that the cowboys have tried three times and failed to use any other TE other than Witten.

How hard is that to get???

And guess what, Witten is here for at least another year and quite obviously still good enough to keep the latest 2nd round on the bench.

If they waste another 1-2 round pick on a TE I'm sure you can get a nice warm feeling as he helps Garrett with the sideline clapping.

Is Witten a more complete player than Escobar?

Yes or no?

Why would you replace a more complete player with a one-dimensional one? Oh, that's right, you're trying to make a point so you can't acknowledge that.

Now go put on your #82 pajamas and go to bed. Your argument has already been put to rest.

 

[IrishAnto]

Is Witten a more complete player than Escobar?

Yes or no?

Why would you replace a more complete player with a one-dimensional one? Oh, that's right, you're trying to make a point so you can't acknowledge that.

Now go put on your #82 pajamas and go to bed. Your argument has already been put to rest.

LOL!

I knew at some point that was coming.