Would you make a Dallas trade up with GB??

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just came across following tidbit from Raphael Vela's blog. Since there so little news out there at this time of the year concerning the Cowboys, thought the part about how the Cowboys could conceivably trade up with Green Bay to get their first round pick was real interesting and would open lots of comments on this board. Remember it's nothing more then his thoughts and there no rumor re Cowboy part, but at least it provides us with the opportunity to think if we'd make this trade and who we'd go after is we had GB's pick. What do you think?

And Now For Something Completely Different… By Rafael Vela 80 Comments
Some interesting news from the teams drafting in the 12 spots ahead of Dallas:
– The Dolphins are apparently unimpressed by Penn State LT Levi Brown, but like Central Michigan’s Joe Staley. Many mock drafts award Brown to the Dolphins at pick nine. Staley is rated in the very late first, very early second round range.
This is a remarkable confession to find in print so early before the draft. As we all know, teams love to throw disinformation out to confuse rivals. Either the Dolphins have a leaky front office, or they’re hiding in plain sight, hoping that poor-mouthing Brown will discourage teams behind Miami from leapfrogging them and taking him.
The Dolphins may also want to trade down and are trying to interest teams that like Brown into trading up. Or, they may be on the level, and this could be a sign that Brown may drop lower than the current mock drafts say. I have one draft book in front of me that doesn’t consider Brown a first round talent.
Get ready, folks. We’re going to see lots more smoke of this variety in the coming weeks.
– The Bills are said to be considering Cal RB Marshawn Lynch with their first round pick. This could create a move up opportunity for the Cowboys if they are so inclined.
Green Bay has been linked with Lynch in every mock draft I’ve seen this year. It’s perhaps the most automatic pick you’ll see. And Green Bay needs a back. If they lose out on Lynch, their RB options dwindle; he and Adrian Peterson are the only backs with 1st round grades.
I’m not going to flog the trade Julius rumors anymore, but I was told by a source that Green Bay loves wheeling, dealing and stockpiling picks. They may be on the phones looking for a trade down partner if Lynch isn’t at option at pick 16. The draft numbers shorthand would go like this:
If Dallas was willing to trade its 3rd rounder for Green Bay’s 4th rounder, it could swap first rounders with the Packers and jump up six spots. I’m hearing the draft may be about 18 sure fire-first rounders deep. This could assure Dallas gets 1st round value for its pick.
 

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I'm not knocking this post/article but if we did move up and Lynch is off the board, who could we take that we probably couldn't have taken if we would have just stood where we were?
 

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sago1;1423053 said:
just came across following tidbit from Raphael Vela's blog. Since there so little news out there at this time of the year concerning the Cowboys, thought the part about how the Cowboys could conceivably trade up with Green Bay to get their first round pick was real interesting and would open lots of comments on this board. Remember it's nothing more then his thoughts and there no rumor re Cowboy part, but at least it provides us with the opportunity to think if we'd make this trade and who we'd go after is we had GB's pick. What do you think?

And Now For Something Completely Different… By Rafael Vela 80 Comments
Some interesting news from the teams drafting in the 12 spots ahead of Dallas:
– The Dolphins are apparently unimpressed by Penn State LT Levi Brown, but like Central Michigan’s Joe Staley. Many mock drafts award Brown to the Dolphins at pick nine. Staley is rated in the very late first, very early second round range.
This is a remarkable confession to find in print so early before the draft. As we all know, teams love to throw disinformation out to confuse rivals. Either the Dolphins have a leaky front office, or they’re hiding in plain sight, hoping that poor-mouthing Brown will discourage teams behind Miami from leapfrogging them and taking him.
The Dolphins may also want to trade down and are trying to interest teams that like Brown into trading up. Or, they may be on the level, and this could be a sign that Brown may drop lower than the current mock drafts say. I have one draft book in front of me that doesn’t consider Brown a first round talent.
Get ready, folks. We’re going to see lots more smoke of this variety in the coming weeks.
– The Bills are said to be considering Cal RB Marshawn Lynch with their first round pick. This could create a move up opportunity for the Cowboys if they are so inclined.
Green Bay has been linked with Lynch in every mock draft I’ve seen this year. It’s perhaps the most automatic pick you’ll see. And Green Bay needs a back. If they lose out on Lynch, their RB options dwindle; he and Adrian Peterson are the only backs with 1st round grades.
I’m not going to flog the trade Julius rumors anymore, but I was told by a source that Green Bay loves wheeling, dealing and stockpiling picks. They may be on the phones looking for a trade down partner if Lynch isn’t at option at pick 16. The draft numbers shorthand would go like this:
If Dallas was willing to trade its 3rd rounder for Green Bay’s 4th rounder, it could swap first rounders with the Packers and jump up six spots. I’m hearing the draft may be about 18 sure fire-first rounders deep. This could assure Dallas gets 1st round value for its pick.
If we want a RB, we want Peterson, the OU product.
 

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philo beddoe;1423071 said:
If we want a RB, we want Peterson, the OU product.

good thing we aren't stupid enough to trade up to the number 3 spot to get him.
 

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adamknite;1423066 said:
I'm not knocking this post/article but if we did move up and Lynch is off the board, who could we take that we probably couldn't have taken if we would have just stood where we were?
If we moved up to Miami's spot at 9 (article mentions them wanting Staley) I would love to grab Laron Landry ahead of Atlanta which seem to be the consensus of where he will end up.

:dance:

I don't see us moving up though.
 

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Hostile;1423079 said:
If we moved up to Miami's spot at 9 (article mentions them wanting Staley) I would love to grab Laron Landry ahead of Atlanta which seem to be the consensus of where he will end up.

:dance:

I don't see us moving up though.
I see the 'boys staying where they are actually. Not to say they couldn't move back, but for some reason, I don't see them moving out of the 1st round completely.

I do however think they'll take some of those late day 2 picks and package them for some higher day 2 picks.
 

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WoodysGirl;1423085 said:
I see the 'boys staying where they are actually. Not to say they couldn't move back, but for some reason, I don't see them moving out of the 1st round completely.

I do however think they'll take some of those late day 2 picks and package them for some higher day 2 picks.
I agree. Look for JJ to be very active. Hopefully he won't get "too cute" & shoot himself in the foot.
 

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sago1;1423053 said:
If Dallas was willing to trade its 3rd rounder for Green Bay’s 4th rounder, it could swap first rounders with the Packers and jump up six spots. I’m hearing the draft may be about 18 sure fire-first rounders deep. This could assure Dallas gets 1st round value for its pick.

that's just stoopid. first. it would take a 3rd and a 4th to get up 6 spots according to most draft value boards. Or it would be our 2nd for GB's 4th.

more importantly - if the draft is 18 deep then you've got a situation where teams will want to trade with others in the top 18 and the 19-32 teams are going to be trying to deal with each other -- the only way you get across that boundary is by giving up more than the charts suggest.
 

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Trading up would depend who is on the board. I absolutetly would not do it to draft Lynch. As I've always said, the running back better be VERY special (Sanders, Bush, Tomlinson, Peterson special) if I'm going to draft him in the first round. Otherwise, I'm spending my pick elsewhere.
 

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WoodysGirl;1423085 said:
I see the 'boys staying where they are actually. Not to say they couldn't move back, but for some reason, I don't see them moving out of the 1st round completely.

I do however think they'll take some of those late day 2 picks and package them for some higher day 2 picks.
I would rather stay at 22 and take Robert Meacham, WR, Tennessee. I don't think we will trade up, and I hope we don't.
 

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If we stay where we are, we should be able to find help at WR, S, CB, or even OL. Ireland seems to have won Jerry over as far as taking the BPA.

My hope is that either FS Reggie Nelson or WRs Meachem or Bowe are available when we pick. I would not be upset at all with a trade down if these are taken.

I WOULD NOT trade JJ unless we get a #2 in return. We could then use a #2 on either RBs Pittman or Irons. Both of these have the talent, combined with the increased use of MB3, to not have us move backwards at RB. My only justification for a trade would be if the team did not intend to sign JJ to a bigger contract next year and could get good value for him now.
 

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abersonc;1423092 said:
that's just stoopid. first. it would take a 3rd and a 4th to get up 6 spots according to most draft value boards. Or it would be our 2nd for GB's 4th.

I would trade our 3rd rounder for their 4th round and swap first rounders providing the talent I wanted was there. Draft point value is very one sided for Dallas.
 

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rickster14;1423107 said:
My hope is that either FS Reggie Nelson or WRs Meachem or Bowe are available when we pick. I would not be upset at all with a trade down if these are taken.

Everyone says "trade down" but the talent at 22 doesn't look like that's going ot be an option. From what I've seen over and over in the draft, the only way you can trade down is if there is someone on the board that your fans will potentially criticize you for years on end for not taking.
 

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nyc;1423111 said:
I would trade our 3rd rounder for their 4th round and swap first rounders providing the talent I wanted was there. Draft point value is very one sided for Dallas.

But that isn't going to happen. GB has a copy of the value charts as well and will likely want more since the talent drops off around 19.
 

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Is Carriker the real deal...............6-6, near 300 and can move like that.....opposite Ware..........hmmmmmmmmmm

that w/be my trade up preference.

not for a safety......unless he is a reincanation of Ed Reed

rb.......we got our OL up to NFL specs finally......lets see what JJ/III can do behind it..........somehow gotta get JJ back to being more of a read/react back vrs. BP's "avoid the negative yardage" back
 

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Hostile;1423079 said:
If we moved up to Miami's spot at 9 (article mentions them wanting Staley) I would love to grab Laron Landry ahead of Atlanta which seem to be the consensus of where he will end up.

:dance:

I don't see us moving up though.

I don't know about Landry, I want to see an offensive player taken in the first round this year. I love defence and think it's probably more vital then offence but I'm just a little tired of first round picks being spent on defensive players of late. I'd rather do what you said in your other post and stay where we're at and take Maechem or another WR.
 

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sbark;1423127 said:
Is Carriker the real deal...............6-6, near 300 and can move like that.....opposite Ware..........hmmmmmmmmmm

Are you saying 300 lb OLB? No way that works.
 

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WoodysGirl;1423085 said:
I see the 'boys staying where they are actually. Not to say they couldn't move back, but for some reason, I don't see them moving out of the 1st round completely.

I do however think they'll take some of those late day 2 picks and package them for some higher day 2 picks.

No matter what happens, I pray that they don't trade down in the draft unless it favors the Cowboys in a BIG way. These is how the Cowboys imploded the talent level of the team after Jimmy left. Trading down all the time and then taking those lower draft choices and screwing them up. Draft what is on the board unless someone wants a player so bad they are ready to take out a mortgage to get them. Trading down does NOT help a team at all. Most teams take the best player available (player with the most talent) so everytime a player is taken, you lose talent that could be added to your team.

A team wants to trade up? Make them break the bank to do it. Otherwise, take the best player available.
 

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No matter what happens, I pray that they don't trade down in the draft unless it favors the Cowboys in a BIG way. These is how the Cowboys imploded the talent level of the team after Jimmy left. Trading down all the time and then taking those lower draft choices and screwing them up.

The difference here is that when Jimmy traded down it was because he knew that since he was bringing a unique defensive system -- one with speedy players who were smaller -- that there would be great players falling in the draft because they were too small for most teams.

When Jerry took over the draft, he was just trying to look smart. But he wasn't smart. He was stoopid.
 

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with even round one and round two players. After the first ten players are selected, as we saw with Carpenter, that top college players still have a learning curve in the NFL...and here, dedication as well as results gained from intensive work, are the requisite of NFL level success. What I find curious, is the fact that many of the top paid free agents in this and recent years, were of the lower level draft beginnings, and gained a foothold as to starting. Often, many seem to even endure a short journeyman period following their 'rook' years....so, I wouldn't mind some very talented, and basicly very solid players, even if a sum of three of them, came in the second round of the draft. Hence, the possibility of a very solid trade down, and some lower level trading back up to the round two to round three level. The Dallas first round selection this year, will be geared at acquiring a strong contributor for this year...if not a starter, a very strong backup, that is used in rotation, for at least 18-20 plays a game. If the Cowboys start with a lineman in round one, which would be a rewarding pick, then a trade down, would be in line, as there are two very strong contributing offensive guards that could be added to the roster in the first round, and even a strong offensive center, that could be taken....Grubbs, Blalock, and Kalil...all three of which, I would take.

Just giving some support consideration to the potential of positively trading down, ending up with some class to add to this year's team...even if it has to go into the future, to be the quality that the Cowboys are looking for in today's free agency. While these players are much, much less expensive to the franchise.
 
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