Would you mind two trade backs if

[dez_for_prez]

2nd 37th - Kevin Zeitler - OG, Wisconsin

2nd 39th - Jared Crick - DE, Nebraska

2nd 45th - Brandon Boykin - CB, Georgia

3rd 66th - Bruce Irvin - OLB, West Virginia

3rd 82nd - Jarius Wright - WR, Arkansas

2nd 37th - Kendall Reyes - DE/DT, Connecticut

2nd 39th - Dwayne Allen - TE, Clemson

2nd 45th - Josh Robinson - CB, Central Florida

3rd 66th - Bruce Irvin - OLB, West Virginia

3rd 82nd - Ben Jones - C, Georgia

Can we combine your 2 drafts and do,

Kevin Zeitler - OG,

2nd 39th - Jared Crick - DE, Nebraska

2nd 45th - Josh Robinson

3rd 66th - Bruce Irvin - OLB, West Virginia

3rd 82nd - Ben Jones

 

[supercowboy8]

On the surface it would not seem too bad to trade back and get some good picks in the second and third round since there are options at CB and OG in that area.

However I still have bad feelings from the last time we did this type of thing and wound up having basically a Special Teams draft that we only have 3 people still on the team in McGhee, Butler and Phillips.

that is different, we traded out of the 2nd to get 3rd round pick. This is trading out of the first two times to get 2 2nds a 3rd and a 1st next year. By trading your 1st round pick two times you add 2 early 2nds and a 1st in 2013

 

[robert70x7]

Can we combine your 2 drafts and do,

Kevin Zeitler - OG,

2nd 39th - Jared Crick - DE, Nebraska

2nd 45th - Josh Robinson

3rd 66th - Bruce Irvin - OLB, West Virginia

3rd 82nd - Ben Jones

Yeah, Ben Jones was the tough one for me. I still think we need a 3rd WR regardless of what Jerry thinks we have.

Options at 82 are:

• Chris Givens
• Jarius Wright
• Nick Toon
• Joe Adams
• Devon Wylie
• Brian Quick
• Marvin McNutt

After this it goes:

• Marv Jones
• Juron Criner
• A.J. Jenkins
• Tommy Streeter
• Devier Posey
• T.Y. Hilton
• Dwight Jones

I like the first list a LOT more.

 

[supercowboy8]

IMO, trading back is always a bad idea unless someone is willing to overpay for your slot.

Quality > Quantity

How many times have we seen the Cowboys trade back several times and we came away with lots of bodies that couldn't make the team?

In 2009 we traded back several times and ended up drafting 12 players. There are only three players from that draft still on the team. None of them can't sniff the starting lineup and all have been in the league for three years now. One is a back up (Victor Butler) that can't sniff a starting position. One of them is *still* the 3rd string QB (McGee) even though we've had the second string QB retire. The third one has played 2 games, has 1 reception, and spends most of his time on the practice squad. (Manual Johnson)

Don't trade back unless they are overpaying for that slot. Otherwise it just isn't worth it. I would rather slightly overdraft for a player I really want vs trading back and just taking two less talented players.

you guys have to stop bringing up the 2009 draft. we traded out of the 2nd round to get later 3rd round picks and not a 1s the next year. This is a question if you would trade the 14th pick for two picks in the 30s and a 1st next year. not trading your 2nd round picks for 3rds and 4ths. Big big big difference.

This trading back is more of what Dallas did in 2007 or 2004. Or what NE does several sevearl times.

 

[DFWJC]

At 14 I don't see Ingram or DeCastro being there and we need a impact player not just a good player overall that I could also find in the 2nd round. I would rather stock 2nd and 3rd round picks and and add an extra 1st next year. That way if there is a Von Miller or Eric Berry type player we can have ammo to trade up and get that player.

So would you mind trading back two times to where we are out of the 1st if we got this in return.
Trade back to Clevleand or Cincy and add a 2nd then trade back to the bottom of the 1st or start of the 2nd with a team like St. Louis plus a 3rd and next years 1st. Insert your own players to the spots below.

2nd 37th
2nd 39th
2nd 45th
3rd 66th
3rd 82nd

For starters, you can't trade the 14th and nothing else for Cleveland's 22nd and 37th picks...you would have to also give them our 3rd rounder.

Next, you could not trade the 22nd pick and get the 39th and 66th AND next year's first. You could get the 39th and the 66th for that 22nd pick.

So, we would be substituting the 14th, 45th, 82nd for the 37th, 39th, 45th, 66th. 3 for 4.

Other than that, if you did hit on those 3 of those 4 picks that would make a pretty nice draft.

 

[supercowboy8]

For starters, you can't trade the 14th and nothing else for Cleveland's 22nd and 37th picks...you would have to also give them our 3rd rounder.

Next, you could not trade the 22nd pick and get the 39th and 66th AND next year's first. You could get the 39th and the 66th for that 22nd pick.

So, we would be substituting the 14th, 45th, 82nd for the 37th, 39th, 45th, 66th. 3 for 4.

Other than that, if you did hit on those 3 of those 4 picks that would make a pretty nice draft.

how do you say we couldn't, please tell me your not going by that outdated never used trade chart. Look at the past trade and see what teams gave up. The Commanders trde to move up to #2 is no where near what that chart would say is even. Atlanta traded last year to move up in the 1st wasn't a even trade by that chart. Aslo the same with the Saints to NE last year.

 

[RS12]

Guarentee me no replay of 2009 and feel free to trade back if that is where the value and need is.

 

[InmanRoshi]

you guys have to stop bringing up the 2009 draft. we traded out of the 2nd round to get later 3rd round picks and not a 1s the next year. This is a question if you would trade the 14th pick for two picks in the 30s and a 1st next year. not trading your 2nd round picks for 3rds and 4ths. Big big big difference.

This trading back is more of what Dallas did in 2007 or 2004. Or what NE does several sevearl times.

Maybe we should bring up the 1997 draft where we traded out of Tony Brackens in the 1st round to take Kavika Pittman in the 2nd.

 

[DFWJC]

how do you say we couldn't, please tell me your not going by that outdated never used trade chart. Look at the past trade and see what teams gave up. The Commanders trde to move up to #2 is no where near what that chart would say is even. Atlanta traded last year to move up in the 1st wasn't a even trade by that chart. Aslo the same with the Saints to NE last year.

If you want to dream up a trade that is hugely in our favor, go ahead.

Who am I to say you can't...bad wording I guess.

I was not looking at an old chart..
Anyway, the Commanders moving up to the second overall pick for a franchise QB is totally different and I'm sure you know that.

By my chart, Atlanta did NOT overpay last year..they paid 1420 and got 1600.

My chart says New England was actually even or got the better end of the Saints trade last year by trading their 28th pick for the Saint's 56th pick and this years 1st rounder.

I just would not assume we will have someone overpay for our 14th pick. If anything, Jerry may be the one overpaying...it's 50-50.

Hey, I'm one that is not against trading back, though I am hesitant to trade way back.

 

[Teague31]

Trading back multiple times was one of the causes of the 2009 draft.

 

[xwalker]

At 14 I don't see Ingram or DeCastro being there and we need a impact player not just a good player overall that I could also find in the 2nd round. I would rather stock 2nd and 3rd round picks and and add an extra 1st next year. That way if there is a Von Miller or Eric Berry type player we can have ammo to trade up and get that player.

So would you mind trading back two times to where we are out of the 1st if we got this in return.
Trade back to Clevleand or Cincy and add a 2nd then trade back to the bottom of the 1st or start of the 2nd with a team like St. Louis plus a 3rd and next years 1st. Insert your own players to the spots below.

2nd 37th
2nd 39th
2nd 45th
3rd 66th
3rd 82nd

That would be double-awesome for this years draft. Other than DeCastro, the available players at #14 are just not that much better than the players available in the 2nd round this year.

Some years the difference between the talent in the mid 1st compared to the 2nd round is drastic, but not this year, IMO.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Some years the difference between the talent in the mid 1st compared to the 2nd round is drastic, but not this year, IMO.

Ive been following the draft a long time, and this is what people convince themselves of every year.

 

[YosemiteSam]

you guys have to stop bringing up the 2009 draft. we traded out of the 2nd round to get later 3rd round picks and not a 1s the next year. This is a question if you would trade the 14th pick for two picks in the 30s and a 1st next year. not trading your 2nd round picks for 3rds and 4ths. Big big big difference.

This trading back is more of what Dallas did in 2007 or 2004. Or what NE does several sevearl times.

LOL. Those who do not heed the past, are doomed to repeat it. ~ Winston Chruchill

It doesn't matter what year you bring up, the truth of the fact doesn't change.

 

[cowboysooner]

A team like the rams are not going to hit the multiple 1st lotto and get impatient about a falling corner or tackle.

 

[StarHead69]

Ive been following the draft a long time, and this is what people convince themselves of every year.

yep

Must admit that I do it every year. Still nostalgic for the massive influx of talent that we got after the Walker trade I guess. I have to keep reminding myself ' a bird in the hand...'

 

[VACowboy]

I'd rather stay in the top 18-20.

 

[Doomsday]

I'd rather stay in the top 18-20.

Me too, everything I read says this is not a really deep draft. Why trade back if that is the case? Id rather see them stay inside the top 20 and get a better chance at landing a starter.

 

[Eskimo]

I'm not in favor of trading out of the first unless we are getting the future first rounder so I am okay with this scenario.

The other reason I am okay with this scenario is that we can pick up players that we need at their proper valuations instead of reaching for an OLB, OG, DE, CB or Safety in the first. It looks like there are lots of good OLB, OG and CB prospects in the 2nd or 3rd round. We would be able to take a flyer on an injured player or two like Barron and Crick with this strategy as well.

The other reason I like this strategy is it gives us ammunition to move up in next year's draft in case a true impact player is available who meets our needs. The possibilities would include a QB or an elite pass rusher who fits our schemes. There is no such player available for us this year at #14.

The other advantage of two first rounders is you can try the strategy of deferring using one of your first rounders by doing the trade for a 2nd and next year's #1 until you get lucky and land yourself in the top 10 where you can get an impact player.

 

[Eskimo]

Me too, everything I read says this is not a really deep draft. Why trade back if that is the case? Id rather see them stay inside the top 20 and get a better chance at landing a starter.

I think you have it wrong. This draft is very weak outside of the top 5 in impact players. It is deep in OLB, OG and CB. It is top end talent that is lacking in this draft.

 

[BigMac6]

Trading back out of the first.....there are two names the blow my mind yet: Carter and Dixon.