Would you Trade for Javon Walker?

[dbair1967]

Just went to try to edit the title myself but it was already done. Certainly didnt MEAN to mislead. Ya know, picky little crap like that on a message board is somewhat childish isnt it? "Javon Walker to Dallas????" is a FAR CRY from the " Allen out for the year" threads Ive seen in here only to open the thread and it says something like..."Will Allen that is". Some folks just arent happy unless their badgering someone about a post, spelling, ect, ect,... No harm no foul, take it light....

its not being picky, its just that most people dont like to pop open a thread they think is based on some actual report, only to see its somebody's Playstation John Madden 2005 wet dream or something

David

 

[Zaxor]

Favre opening his 90 year old trap is the main prob.

Walker is a dominant WR making pork&bean money compared to any other star WR.

GB fans should be mad at aforementionned QB for multiple meltdown 5 pick playoff losses.


Walker is a top 5 WR IMHO and I'd gladly trade for him under the scenario you named or for Glover and a conditional pick that goes as high as 2. He is under 30 so not an old WR.

First round pick WRs are crap shoots and then a lot of times take 3 years to develop. Walker would be the #1 WR here day 1 without needing to be in name. KJ could prolly show Walker a few things and he would just get that much better.

But again, fanbase or no, teams seldom give away stellar talent and Walker is a stellar talent. GB held onto the much less talented CB for a long time before trading him.

I am with ya...not only do you get a good young WR you need not wait on him getting NFL ready...I would have this deal done if GB would do it...but they would have to be total....ahhhh cheeseheads to do it..hey wait a minute

 

[InDakWeTrust]

Why did I know that Glover and Ellis would be mentioned sooner or later in this thread? For the bazillioneth time.......neither is going to be traded. Get over it already.

Success! This will be a 10 page thread...

 

[SuspectCorner]

Favre opening his 90 year old trap is the main prob.

Walker is a dominant WR making pork&bean money compared to any other star WR.

GB fans should be mad at aforementionned QB for multiple meltdown 5 pick playoff losses.


Walker is a top 5 WR IMHO and I'd gladly trade for him under the scenario you named or for Glover and a conditional pick that goes as high as 2. He is under 30 so not an old WR.

First round pick WRs are crap shoots and then a lot of times take 3 years to develop. Walker would be the #1 WR here day 1 without needing to be in name. KJ could prolly show Walker a few things and he would just get that much better.

But again, fanbase or no, teams seldom give away stellar talent and Walker is a stellar talent. GB held onto the much less talented CB for a long time before trading him.

i like the first trade scenario involving morgan, a 1st, and a 5th. walker has become the kinda of WR you envision when you use a 1st-rounder to select one in the first place. walker would seriously upgrade that unit.

i'm not as keen on the glover scenario. i have this gut feeling he will have a great year and is nowhere near "spent" in Dallas. having him around keeps some pressure off the rookies like Spears - and gives us a strong rotation.

 

[dbair1967]

Why did I know that Glover and Ellis would be mentioned sooner or later in this thread? For the bazillioneth time.......neither is going to be traded. Get over it already.

I agree...cannot for the life of me understand why so many are in such a hurry to trade Glover or Ellis (especially Ellis)...guys that get 7-8-9 sacks per yr and are consistently outstanding vs the run and also have a knack for batted down passes dont grow on trees, contrary to what the fickle minority here believe

David

 

[InDakWeTrust]

i like the first trade scenario involving morgan, a 1st, and a 5th. walker has become the kinda of WR you envision when you use a 1st-rounder to select one in the first place. walker would seriously upgrade that unit.

i'm not as keen on the glover scenario. i have this gut feeling he will have a great year and is nowhere near "spent" in Dallas. having him around keeps some pressure off the rookies like Spears - and gives us a strong rotation.

Although my first two posts in this thread were sarcastic, I really like Glover and even though he is an All-Pro and a superstar the way the NFL is today, the front office may decide it is better to use that money on a WR than a super talented pass rushing DT. I would much rather draft a WR in round 1 next year but if the FO decides that next year is our year Glover would be traded before Greg Ellis. More than likely, IMO with the salary cap shooting up we could keep both and sign a Big FA next offseason.

 

[dargonking999]

Diehard Boyz fan living in Packerland. Now I understand trades of this nature are very rare. I know, I know, this ISNT fantasy football, but how would Quincy Morgan next years 1st and a 5th for Walker sound? Pretty good to me anyway! Next years reciever class isnt very deep and I think a trade like this would help BOTH teams. For us it would give us a young speed reciever with good size, for the Pack it gives them another reciever for their stable and a couple extra picks to help them rebuild after Favre. Our 1st rounder next year SHOULD be on the low end, so that makes giving up a 1st somewhat more tolerable. Walker has nice size..6-3 215, and great speed. Very good leaping abilty also. Imagine Walker and Key with Glenn playing the slot!...Nice. Think that trio could help open up the running game any? LOL I do. Anyway, like I said earlier I know this isnt fantasy football but thats ONE TRADE I'd make in a heartbeat.

Sorry but i'm done giving up First for WR, we arent that desperate for a WR, with crayton and the other young guns, getting better, i'd wait to see what they can do before i go starting trading draft picks for a WR

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

its not being picky, its just that most people dont like to pop open a thread they think is based on some actual report, only to see its somebody's Playstation John Madden 2005 wet dream or something

David

Now SEE what I mean? It would seem you have a little bit of problem keeping things on the friendly side. Always some little barb. Makes no difference to me. Just a message board. Thing is...this IS a message board. It was a trade scenario. YUP, probably dont have a chance in hell of ever happening. BUT, this is kind of a down time. Can only hash and rehash the merits of the 3-4 or Tony Romo's golf swing so many times...LOL BTW....Not saying your one of " those types" BUT, post count doesnt mean JACK. Im sure BP doesnt post in here regularly know what I mean. But, IF HE DID, would it make him an idiot because he has a count under a 1000?...LMBO. Anyway, back to the point. Walkers a comer, were getting older at W.R, wouldnt be a bad trade at all if it could be swung....

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

i like the first trade scenario involving morgan, a 1st, and a 5th. walker has become the kinda of WR you envision when you use a 1st-rounder to select one in the first place. walker would seriously upgrade that unit.

i'm not as keen on the glover scenario. i have this gut feeling he will have a great year and is nowhere near "spent" in Dallas. having him around keeps some pressure off the rookies like Spears - and gives us a strong rotation.

Only speculation on my part but I would THINK Ron Wolf having a connection to both teams may even help a little. I can only hope anyway...LOL

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

its not being picky, its just that most people dont like to pop open a thread they think is based on some actual report, only to see its somebody's Playstation John Madden 2005 wet dream or something

David

Also, let me clear the air right off the bat. In no way do I want to have a little flame thingy with you or anyone else. NOT MY STYLE, just wanna talk football and hang loose. So, if I came off as a little picky myself...sorry bout that. But hey, arent ya glad this thread didnt get closed or moved? Its been pretty derned slow lately and if anything AT LEAST its something new to kick around!

 

[jterrell]

I agree...cannot for the life of me understand why so many are in such a hurry to trade Glover or Ellis (especially Ellis)...guys that get 7-8-9 sacks per yr and are consistently outstanding vs the run and also have a knack for batted down passes dont grow on trees, contrary to what the fickle minority here believe

David

Probably just a recognition of a value player we could probably afford to lose in new scheme(i.e. by far best non-starter we have to offer up). I wouldn't trade Ellis because he is a lifelong Cowboy and a player who I think will be better int he 3-4 then he was in the 4-3. Glover may be a bit lesser tho and has stated he'd like to be a starter.

Glover and Ellis are going to start tailing off soon if not just downright fall apart. Age gets all of them sooner or later.

 

[jterrell]

Also, let me clear the air right off the bat. In no way do I want to have a little flame thingy with you or anyone else. NOT MY STYLE, just wanna talk football and hang loose. So, if I came off as a little picky myself...sorry bout that. But hey, arent ya glad this thread didnt get closed or moved? Its been pretty derned slow lately and if anything AT LEAST its something new to kick around!

Good response AH and thanks.
I did not want to see this escalate to flames and need to be moved.

It is an interesting talking point and you are right; we needed some.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Also, and feel free to correct me if im wrong, but wasnt Walker pretty high on Jerrys wish list the year he was drafted? Im almost positive. I do KNOW that several of the draft pubs had us taking him in the 2nd round but Greenbay took him at the end of the 1st. We ended up having to settle for Antonio Bryant. Is the whole idea STILL crazy?...LL

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Good response AH and thanks.
I did not want to see this escalate to flames and need to be moved.

It is an interesting talking point and you are right; we needed some.

Thanx BRO. Been coming in here for a few years now. Best Boys board on the net. Dont really post all that much as im a member of about 5 different Cowboys boards and theres only so much time...LOL

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Thanx BRO. Been coming in here for a few years now. Best Boys board on the net. Dont really post all that much as im a member of about 5 different Cowboys boards and theres only so much time...LOL

That and im married with 3 kids. Anyone sitting in the same boat as me knows time is ONE thing in short supply!...LOL

 

[jterrell]

That and im married with 3 kids. Anyone sitting in the same boat as me knows time is ONE thing in short supply!...LOL

Married w/ 2 kids so do understand.
I generally post from work,lol.

Hopefully this board gains more of your time and input as time allows.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Crayton could very well be a nice number 2. He's not the fastest, but he has a nack for being clutch, he runs good routes, and he is shifty. I like the kid.

As far as Walker goes, we would have to pay him pretty nicely. If we could get him at a reasonable price(Compenstion wise), I would say do it. Speed, Size, and he's already proven he's good. Also, he is young, so basically you get a ready made WR, but not an old one.

 

[Silverstar]

I'd just stick with the draft and pick the BPA at WR.

I kinda like Greg Lee of Pittsburgh, mainly because I think he'll leave early. He's got the right size at 6-2 200lbs and he produces with over 19 yards a catch. I know he's from Pittsburgh like Bryant was, but I don't see the same antics that Bryant was known for. With another 1,000 yard season he should be there in the late 1st round.


Some Greg Lee info...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04285/393868.stm

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/05105/488612.stm

http://pittsburgh.foxsports.scout.com/2/321803.html?refid=400


:starspin

 

[tyke1doe]

They're just like any other team...when it suits them, they will turn the other cheek.
1. Farve sleeping around on his wife,...publically.
2. Farve passing out drunk in bars in appleton and being drug to the back room to sleep it off, many a nights in the beginning. (Nor lets forget this was also during his "drug era" that the fans also turned a cheek to)
3. Reggie Whites racial comments in Madison.
4. What's his name, that WR, that had those sexual charges against him wiht that 16 year old.
5. Shiating in girls closests for pranks.

(Half these things never made national-media...Packers are good at covering stuff....Remember Teague's comment when he came to Dallas...along the lines of "The Packers are run like the mafia vs the Cowboys whom seem like one big happy family")
They're also good at pointing the finger at some other teams "wrongs" to divert the attention away from their own players and problems.


Not to mention so many "die hards", for some reason during losing games, overflooding the streets as early as halftime if things aren't going their way during the game. (Who turns games off at halftime?) In Green Bay, WI, it's quite common practice. Think back to the playoff loss to Vick a couple years back and think about the stands during the second half of the game....that was a playoff game....by the 4th quarter if you could erase the snow, you could've mistaken it for Arizona's stadium.


The list goes on and on. Actually they are one of the very most spoiled fans in the league, barnone. When things are going great, they are one of the best fans in the world- but when things are bad, they're a whiny scary bunch. You know, the kid in kindergarten that couldn't play with the truck so they took it from the other kids and threw it across the room in a fit....that's packer fans for you in a "nutshell". Free Agency... Salary Cap... Larger Market teams... Wah! Wah! Wah! (Lol, I have issues with Cheeseheads, don't like em)

I love your trade idea though- Walker is the real deal and just hitting his prime. This is one speculation by fans that I've loved seeing repeated- one of the few offseason ones we've had this year.

PS. I do also live in Wisconsin too- Green Bay to be exact, all my life, so not a long distance speculation.

PSS. Cowboy Jerseys, regardless of location, overrun Green Bay, WI, just like I imagine they overrun all other locales around the country! Actually for some it's a way to simply piss off packer fans, cause trust me, just as many hate them as they like them up here too....and #1 hated team by Packer fans is not daBears, not the Vikings or the Lions...it's the Cowboys! Should see when the Cowboys come to Green Bay and the added security measures they must take for "America's Team". In 95 when we came up here, I remember them saying that the security required was higher then that of when the President comes to town- even had to hotel them 45 miles away in appleton. So "Packerland" or not, just shows how the Cowboys "sheriff" the whole nation when they roll into town.

Actually, all of those stories made national news. Well, maybe not the Favre sleeping around on his wife publically. You mean he was actually on a park bench or in the Packers' lobby having sex with a woman other than his wife?

Also, Saturday Night Live did a skit on Reggie White's Wisconsin Legislature comments and the story made the rounds of many prominent newspapers. I even have a copy of the story Ron Borges did for The Boston Globe because I thought it was one of the more fair-minded pieces on that whole situation.

Second, what do you expect Teague to say, having been let go by the Packers?

Third, I can't believe that Cowboys fans are complaining about the Packers organization covering up stories. Remember, Mr. Michael "Have Scissors Will Cut" Irvin and the alleged cover-up of him stabbing another player?

Look, the Packers aren't like any other organization in this regard. The Cowboys fans have nothing to be proud of when it comes to "bad" players.

Having said that, I don't know what's up with this love for receivers. I think the receiver position is the most overrated on the offense. Sure, a guy like Jerry Rice can elevate a team, but I think if you have consistent route-runners who can get open, a powerful offensive line and a quality running back - not to mention a capable QB - then I think you've got the makings for a strong offense.

I want the Cowboys to continue building on defense and the offensive line rather than investing a high No. 1 or even trading a No. 1 for a receiver.

 

[dargonking999]

Actually, all of those stories made national news.

Second, what do you expect Teague to say, having been let go by the Packers?

Third, I can't believe that Cowboys fans are complaining about the Packers organization covering up stories. Remember, Mr. Michael "Have Scissors Will Cut" Irvin and the alleged cover-up of him stabbing another player?

Look, the Packers aren't like any other organization in this regard. The Cowboys fans have nothing to be proud of when it comes to "bad" players.

Having said that, I don't know what's up with this love for receivers. I think the receiver position is the most overrated on the offense. Sure, a guy like Jerry Rice can elevate a team, but I think if you have consistent route-runners who can get open, a powerful offensive line and a quality running back - not to mention a capable QB - then I think you've got the makings for a strong offense.

I want the Cowboys to continue building on defense and the offensive line rather than investing a high No. 1 or even trading a No. 1 for a receiver.

The last time i checked nobody on here was saying we werent that kind of orginaztion, we know what we are, every team in the NFL covers up things like that, including the packers, which was the point of that post