Would you trade up for a receiver you knew would go to the pro bowl?

[Galian Beast]

Lets say you want a receiver in the first round, and you know he will go to the pro bowl at some point in his career, would you trade a 3rd and a 6th round draft pick to trade up to get that receiver? (Not going to even mention that we got a 2010 7th round draft pick, not because the pick can't be a player, but just because its of less consequence).

Is Roy Williams playing well right now?

Absolutely not. That is indisputable, even I'm mad about it.

But I do agree with people when they say, he is too good not to work out. It will click eventually. We've even see it when it does, even if its followed up by miscues like when he fumbled in green bay.

Lets put things in slight perspective okay?

In the exact amount of games last year Williams had 19 receptions, 198 yards, 10.4 yards per catch, 1 td, and 2 plays for 20 yards or more, 0 of 40 or more.

This year (again with the same amount of games).

He has 26 receptions, 444 yards, 17.1 yards per catch, 4 touchdowns, 7 plays for 20 yards or more, 2 of 40 or more.

I think if we give the Romo - Williams connection more time, it WILL become fruitful.

I can imagine Austin-Williams being the next Fitzgerald/Boldin.

I think a lot of that has to do with Romo, our offensive line, our running game, our play calling... not just Williams...

Once again lets take a step back and allow us to breath for a moment and not throw williams under the bus just yet.

This offense is not the same as 2008 or 2007.

We have two starting receivers who did not start the season last year.
We have two running backs who were hurt for the majority of the year last year, and have even been limited this year.
We have a second year tight end in Martellus Bennett.
We have another injury on the offensive line, this time to Marc Colombo. Thus we have Doug Free starting for the first time in his career.

Its a young offense, so these miscues are somewhat to be expected. I want to see better offensive line play, as I think that leads to simply better execution all around. But I think this offense has more potential than any other in the NFL.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I'd trade up for McClain or a LT.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

LT or FS. That's all I would want to trade up for at this point.

 

[Galian Beast]

The question wasn't for the future....


And Maclin and Williams stunningly have pretty much identical stats. You wouldn't know it based on how both are perceived.

 

[Galian Beast]

My question is do you draft Roy Williams 6 years ago knowing he is going to the pro bowl. Would you have used a 3rd to trade up and get him? If so, then please stop complaining about the trade now.

 

[TheCount]

lol at the people that didn't even read the OP before responding, but do we really need another Roy thread? If people are going to get upset with the o es slamming him, then I'd say this is equally as unneeded.

 

[Danny White]

The best thing about the Roy trade was that it allowed us to jettison TO.

Things are so much more peaceful without him.

Roy is kinda blah, but we're getting #1 performance out of Austin, so it all shakes out in the end. And if Roy steps it up in the future, we'll be in even better shape.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

It's time for this team to draft a top flight LT to replace Flozell Adams. I think Doug Free will be ready to replace Colombo within a year or so.

 

[Galian Beast]

The best thing about the Roy trade was that it allowed us to jettison TO.

Things are so much more peaceful without him.

Roy is kinda blah, but we're getting #1 performance out of Austin, so it all shakes out in the end. And if Roy steps it up in the future, we'll be in even better shape.

This is my main point. Although I do miss T.O.'s explosiveness, the point is we're in good shape for the future at receiver if this pans out.

Im not trying to defend Roy Williams, I think he needs to step up, and quickly.

But I think we're coming down on him way too hard right now.

I really just need him and romo on the same page by the playoffs.

 

[DragonCowboy]

My question is do you draft Roy Williams 6 years ago knowing he is going to the pro bowl. Would you have used a 3rd to trade up and get him? If so, then please stop complaining about the trade now.

I don't know about this argument. We're not getting any production from him from before the midway point in the 2008 season. He may have gone to the Pro Bowl in the past, but that doesn't help us at all.

Although, I do agree with one of your points. I think Roy Williams is too good of a receiver to not get this figured out, eventually. It's just that the longer it takes, the less value we're getting out of our trade.

 

[Galian Beast]

It's time for this team to draft a top flight LT to replace Flozell Adams. I think Doug Free will be ready to replace Colombo within a year or so.

I'm sad to say it, but we need to retool this offensive line.... somethings got to give, they're just getting romo killed lately.

I don't know if free is the answer, but I'm pretty much done with Flozell at LT.

In this day in age its hard to draft linemen, especially on a team like the cowboys, where we are trying to make it to the playoffs every year.

You need to bring in a free agent replacement for Flozell, in addition to drafting linemen early.

Maybe try Flozell at right tackle next year, or simply release him.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't know about this argument. We're not getting any production from him from before the midway point in the 2008 season. He may have gone to the Pro Bowl in the past, but that doesn't help us at all.

Although, I do agree with one of your points. I think Roy Williams is too good of a receiver to not get this figured out, eventually. It's just that the longer it takes, the less value we're getting out of our trade.

What I'm saying is put us back in 2004.

Would you trade a 3rd round pick to move up to draft Roy Williams in the first?

If the answer is yes, than you can't be mad at this trade, because its the same thing as moving up to draft him.

I think our expectations were a little too high, but regardless he has missed by far.

Roy Williams came into our offense, and he isn't a receiver that really fit our system. In that sense it was certainly a bad trade. But molding him into our system should still work out eventually. Thats why I compared this year and last year. There HAS been progress.

 

[Jenky]

My question is do you draft Roy Williams 6 years ago knowing he is going to the pro bowl. Would you have used a 3rd to trade up and get him? If so, then please stop complaining about the trade now.

If you knew he was going to the probowl and all that, then yes. Besides, he would have all those years to build chemistry with Romo. So he'd probably be a better player as well.

On a side note, some of those passes thrown to him were horrible. It's unfair to attribute all the blame to him.

 

[jobberone]

Lets say you want a receiver in the first round, and you know he will go to the pro bowl at some point in his career, would you trade a 3rd and a 6th round draft pick to trade up to get that receiver? (Not going to even mention that we got a 2010 7th round draft pick, not because the pick can't be a player, but just because its of less consequence).

Is Roy Williams playing well right now?

Absolutely not. That is indisputable, even I'm mad about it.

But I do agree with people when they say, he is too good not to work out. It will click eventually. We've even see it when it does, even if its followed up by miscues like when he fumbled in green bay.

Lets put things in slight perspective okay?

In the exact amount of games last year Williams had 19 receptions, 198 yards, 10.4 yards per catch, 1 td, and 2 plays for 20 yards or more, 0 of 40 or more.

This year (again with the same amount of games).

He has 26 receptions, 444 yards, 17.1 yards per catch, 4 touchdowns, 7 plays for 20 yards or more, 2 of 40 or more.

I think if we give the Romo - Williams connection more time, it WILL become fruitful.

I can imagine Austin-Williams being the next Fitzgerald/Boldin.

I think a lot of that has to do with Romo, our offensive line, our running game, our play calling... not just Williams...

Once again lets take a step back and allow us to breath for a moment and not throw williams under the bus just yet.

This offense is not the same as 2008 or 2007.

We have two starting receivers who did not start the season last year.
We have two running backs who were hurt for the majority of the year last year, and have even been limited this year.
We have a second year tight end in Martellus Bennett.
We have another injury on the offensive line, this time to Marc Colombo. Thus we have Doug Free starting for the first time in his career.

Its a young offense, so these miscues are somewhat to be expected. I want to see better offensive line play, as I think that leads to simply better execution all around. But I think this offense has more potential than any other in the NFL.

Right now I'd put NO, MN, GB, NE, IND, and maybe SD over us. I'm probably leaving one or two off. But NO and IND are clearly and unarguably better right now. The others appear better to me with maybe the exception of SD.

 

[Galian Beast]

Right now I'd put NO, MN, GB, NE, IND, and maybe SD over us. I'm probably leaving one or two off. But NO and IND are clearly and unarguably better right now. The others appear better to me with maybe the exception of SD.

New Orleans is pretty good, but I think we have more potential because of our running game. I think our tight end group will also be a difference maker.

Minnesota is really all Adrian Peterson. I don't think Favre is as talented as people want to make him out to be at this point in his career. I'd take our receivers over theirs as well.

Green Bay... thats a joke right? We're definitely better than Green Bay.

New England has no running game.

Indianapolis? Their offense has struggled almost as much as we have, and they've been together longer. Theyve had more success in the redzone, but theyve also had an easier schedule.

San Diego is a joke too. Their running game is anemic. And they have far less weapons than we do. They dont have as many yards OR touchdowns as we do. Im not even afraid of them on our schedule.

 

[Jenky]

New Orleans is pretty good, but I think we have more potential because of our running game. I think our tight end group will also be a difference maker.

Minnesota is really all Adrian Peterson. I don't think Favre is as talented as people want to make him out to be at this point in his career. I'd take our receivers over theirs as well.

Green Bay... thats a joke right? We're definitely better than Green Bay.

New England has no running game.

Indianapolis? Their offense has struggled almost as much as we have, and they've been together longer. Theyve had more success in the redzone, but theyve also had an easier schedule.

San Diego is a joke too. Their running game is anemic. And they have far less weapons than we do. They dont have as many yards OR touchdowns as we do. Im not even afraid of them on our schedule.

I dont know. I like Minny's WR core, especially Sidney Rice. He's been making some amazing catches. Rice, Harvin, and Berrian seem pretty good to me.

 

[gimmesix]

I think if we give the Romo - Williams connection more time, it WILL become fruitful.

I think it definitely has a chance to get better based on the improvement we've seen in the connection since the start of this season.

Williams' unlucky fumble and a few drops have overshadowed his successes, but I don't think those are indicative of his play, based on his career. They might be indicative of him pressing to prove himself as a No. 1 receiver, though.

If we can patiently step back and let this develop, I think we'll be pleasantly surprised. But we're short on patience when we give up a lot, and give a lot to, a player.

 

[Dodger12]

What I'm saying is put us back in 2004.

Would you trade a 3rd round pick to move up to draft Roy Williams in the first?If the answer is yes, than you can't be mad at this trade, because its the same thing as moving up to draft him.

I think our expectations were a little too high, but regardless he has missed by far.

Roy Williams came into our offense, and he isn't a receiver that really fit our system. In that sense it was certainly a bad trade. But molding him into our system should still work out eventually. Thats why I compared this year and last year. There HAS been progress.

"And you know he will go to the pro bowl at some point in his career," was also a criteria in your original question. So when does he go to the pro-bowl for us? As it stands now, your question should read would we trade a 3rd round pick to move up and draft a guy who will make the pro-bowl for another team?

How can you defend the trade or RW (even though you say you're not) then state that he doesn't really fit our system? Wasn't there enough film on Roy to know whether or not he'd be a good fit prior to making the trade? It's been almost two years; the trade is a bust. But RW is a Cowboy so I hope for the best but our best receivers are Austin and Witten.

 

[TNCowboy]

Lets say you want a receiver in the first round, and you know he will go to the pro bowl at some point in his career, would you trade a 3rd and a 6th round draft pick to trade up to get that receiver? (Not going to even mention that we got a 2010 7th round draft pick, not because the pick can't be a player, but just because its of less consequence).

Is Roy Williams playing well right now?

Absolutely not. That is indisputable, even I'm mad about it.

But I do agree with people when they say, he is too good not to work out. It will click eventually. We've even see it when it does, even if its followed up by miscues like when he fumbled in green bay.

Lets put things in slight perspective okay?

In the exact amount of games last year Williams had 19 receptions, 198 yards, 10.4 yards per catch, 1 td, and 2 plays for 20 yards or more, 0 of 40 or more.

This year (again with the same amount of games).

He has 26 receptions, 444 yards, 17.1 yards per catch, 4 touchdowns, 7 plays for 20 yards or more, 2 of 40 or more.

I think if we give the Romo - Williams connection more time, it WILL become fruitful.

I can imagine Austin-Williams being the next Fitzgerald/Boldin.

I think a lot of that has to do with Romo, our offensive line, our running game, our play calling... not just Williams...

Once again lets take a step back and allow us to breath for a moment and not throw williams under the bus just yet.

This offense is not the same as 2008 or 2007.

We have two starting receivers who did not start the season last year.
We have two running backs who were hurt for the majority of the year last year, and have even been limited this year.
We have a second year tight end in Martellus Bennett.
We have another injury on the offensive line, this time to Marc Colombo. Thus we have Doug Free starting for the first time in his career.

Its a young offense, so these miscues are somewhat to be expected. I want to see better offensive line play, as I think that leads to simply better execution all around. But I think this offense has more potential than any other in the NFL.

Roy Williams needs more time to click with Romo? Why is this a problem unique to Roy Williams in the time Romo has been the Cowboys' starting QB? At some point, it will begin to sink in that RW is an average player and that Jerry Jones was - once again - hosed on the trade.

It also shouldn't escape anyone's notice that when Miles Austin is the focal point of the passing game, Dallas can move the ball. When they try to do the same with Williams, the offense goes nowhere.

Williams/Austin being the next Fitzgerald/Bouldin? Wow.

This is not a young offense. By any stretch. It's time people stopped acting as though Roy Williams is a rookie trying to find his way. He's a 6 year vet and career underachiever who is what he is.

 

[EPL0c0]

we've had pro bowlers... lots of pro bowlers doesn't mean squat.

i'd rather have a guy that can consistantly catch the ball...even when they're consistantly crappy throws.