Would you trade up for a receiver you knew would go to the pro bowl?

[Galian Beast]

Im saying because in hindsight we know he went to the pro bowl. So do you not want that same player, if you have future knowledge of it?

I don't think he fits our system, but he is still talented. I somewhat defend the trade because I think we can change our system to suit him. He is hardly a bust after 20 games (just over a season). Most receivers take longer than that to adapt to a new system.

Sidney Rice is in his 3rd year in Minnesota. He had 396, and 141 yards in his first two years. System changes with Adrian Peterson and Brett Favre, and he is highly ranked in receiving yards in his 3rd year.

Wes Welker had just over 1000 yards receiving over a 3 year period before coming into a system he already fit (with Randy Moss and Tom Brady (and stallworth in 07).

Steve Smith (NYG) had 63 yards years 1, and 574 yards year two...

Vincent Jackson took 4 years to blossom in San Diego.

Hell it took Reggie Wayne 3 years to break 800 yards in a single season, 4 years to break 1000 yards.


Chad Johnson had 540 yards receiving and 4 touchdowns last year in 13 games...

Point is very few wide receivers just click with a quarterback year one, or even year two for that matter. Especially when the quarterback has receivers he is more comfortable with. Tony romo has 3 receivers he is more comfortable with. Hell he is probably more comfortable with Hurd.

And while we would probably get more consistency starting crayton, roy williams provides a longer term potential.

 

[Galian Beast]

Roy Williams needs more time to click with Romo? Why is this a problem unique to Roy Williams in the time Romo has been the Cowboys' starting QB? At some point, it will begin to sink in that RW is an average player and that Jerry Jones was - once again - hosed on the trade.

It also shouldn't escape anyone's notice that when Miles Austin is the focal point of the passing game, Dallas can move the ball. When they try to do the same with Williams, the offense goes nowhere.

Williams/Austin being the next Fitzgerald/Bouldin? Wow.

This is not a young offense. By any stretch. It's time people stopped acting as though Roy Williams is a rookie trying to find his way. He's a 6 year vet and career underachiever who is what he is.

its not a young offense, but their experience starting together is extremely short.

Who does romo have the best connection with? Jason Witten... a starter since 2004. Starter with Romo since 2006.

Are there any offensive weapons that have started with Romo since 2006?

No.

Even Barber didn't become a starter until like 2008.

Most receivers you see in the top 10 have AT LEAST 2-3 years with their quarterbacks.

 

[superonyx]

I dont really value draft picks much at all. So i would say yes. Look at our core team. Which was a high draft pick? Newman and Ware..... Witten, Romo, Austin, Barber, Ratliff were all either throw away picks or not drafted at all.

But..... I was a supporter of the trade and i always loved Roy Williams as a player when i actually watched a Lions game. I loved him at texas and was excited about him playing for the cowboys. Now... not so much. I always thought of him as a guy with great hands that makes the difficult catch. He really seems to drop everything that hit his hands. I watch him and wonder where the great hands went. What exactly is he great at? He doesnt have breakaway speed, he seems to drop passes in traffic, so what route or gameplan will help him and us more productive? Im really running out of excuses for him.

 

[RS12]

New Orleans is pretty good, but I think we have more potential because of our running game. I think our tight end group will also be a difference maker.

Minnesota is really all Adrian Peterson. I don't think Favre is as talented as people want to make him out to be at this point in his career. I'd take our receivers over theirs as well.

Green Bay... thats a joke right? We're definitely better than Green Bay.

New England has no running game.

Indianapolis? Their offense has struggled almost as much as we have, and they've been together longer. Theyve had more success in the redzone, but theyve also had an easier schedule.

San Diego is a joke too. Their running game is anemic. And they have far less weapons than we do. They dont have as many yards OR touchdowns as we do. Im not even afraid of them on our schedule.

NO> Dall
Minn> Dall
Ind> Dall
NE= Dall
DAll> SD
Dall>GB

 

[Galian Beast]

Look at Minnesota's schedule
Look at New Orleans and Indianapolis' running game

Teams with running games will feast in december and january, while those teams that thrive on the pass alone struggle.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would never ever ever trade up for skill position players. WR too often cannot adjust from coming to a different scheme, RB get hurt and QB are the ultimate crapshoot.

Safety and OL are the spots you consider unless youre thinking bluechip which is ludicrous.

 

[zrinkill]

Yes ..

 

[Idgit]

Look at Minnesota's schedule
Look at New Orleans and Indianapolis' running game

Teams with running games will feast in december and january, while those teams that thrive on the pass alone struggle.

I'm not sure which point you're making, but a lot of people would be surprised if they paid attention to how well the Saints actually run the ball.

 

[TNCowboy]

Most receivers you see in the top 10 have AT LEAST 2-3 years with their quarterbacks.

Great players don't need years together to be effective.

Did Randy Moss? Did TO? Did Wes Welker? Did Jason Witten? For that matter, did Desean Jackson? Larry Fitzgerald needed 2-3 years with KW to be effective? Did Miles Austin, considering he spent most of his time as 4th or 5th receiver prior to this year?

None of those guys needed multiple years to build chemistry with their QB. Fact is, Roy Williams has one great season to weigh against a bunch of mediocre and poor play. He's 6 years in. This is likely who he is, but fans don't want to admit it. Miles Austin's first 2 starts were basically as productive as RW's entire season.

Expecting RW to finally come to life to take this offense to another level is likely a waste of time. He's no better than Crayton, and he's nowhere near the player Miles Austin is.

 

[Chuck 54]

I have no problem trading up for any player at any position if I knew he would go to the Pro Bowl.

That's a no-brainer...probowl players don't grow on trees, and you don't find them all that often. I make that trade up.

 

[Apollo Creed]

After the Galloway and Roy deals Jerry won't trade up, or trade for a WR ever again.

 

[tomson75]

I would trade up for any position (sans K and P) if the player was guaranteed to be a pro bowler.

Taking away question marks in the draft process would be a tremendous advantage to any team, even if it meant losing a pick or two in the process.

 

[TheCount]

New Orleans is pretty good, but I think we have more potential because of our running game. I think our tight end group will also be a difference maker.

Minnesota is really all Adrian Peterson. I don't think Favre is as talented as people want to make him out to be at this point in his career. I'd take our receivers over theirs as well.

Green Bay... thats a joke right? We're definitely better than Green Bay.

New England has no running game.

Indianapolis? Their offense has struggled almost as much as we have, and they've been together longer. Theyve had more success in the redzone, but theyve also had an easier schedule.

San Diego is a joke too. Their running game is anemic. And they have far less weapons than we do. They dont have as many yards OR touchdowns as we do. Im not even afraid of them on our schedule.

I couldn't disagree more with just abot all your assesments of those teams. Especially if someone lied to you about NO not having a running game. Their 3 are actually prett similar to ours in terms of skill set and they have been very productive.