Would you want the Cowboys to trade up in the 1st round for a franchise QB?

[burmafrd]

OUr #1, plus Glover and Ellis is the most I would give up. That would probably get us up to 10 or so at best.

 

[Idgit]

Nope.
Any way you slice it, you build championship teams through drafting well, and then coaching well, over time. Rolling too many draft picks into a single player is a low-probability move. Much safer to take the players you can get where you find them, trading up only when the value you've placed on the player far exceeds the draft slot you can get them in.

How likely is it that any player in this draft far exceeds the value of the 2 slot? Not very.

 

[Marktui]

Too many holes to fill. If we are going to make a run, we need players that can contribute next season. Now, if a qb falls to us, maybe we should look at him. But to mortgage the draft for a one player who will not be able to contribute next year, will be a bad decision.

 

[Sandman]

Matt Leinart is the real deal. He is the only QB worth trading up for, either VY or Cutler will slide..

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Only for Vince Young a mobile, pocket, and powerful passes....and very accrate...

 

[neosapien23]

I don't get it. I read alot of bashing from many fans saying how we should have gotten a real quarterback behind Bledsoe. Well in order to get one you have to trade up. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If we want the next Troy Aikman, than we will have to trade up period. Dallas will not have the number 1 overall pick anytime soon.

 

[jackrussell]

All trades to move up for a QB should be made now, for next year. Get in a position to make a move on Quinn.

 

[Da Hammer]

i'd only do it for Vince Young. This guy just has the will to win that all the great ones had like Michael Jordan, Montana, Emmith. People see him dancing and everything and they think that this guy doesn't take things seriously but all he is doing is keeping his team calm and when its time to get on the field he is as serious n ready to play as anybody. People who compare Vince to Vick are way off as i see more of Cunningham and its not even close how much better passer Vince is at this stage than what Vick was

 

[neosapien23]

All trades to move up for a QB should be made now, for next year. Get in a position to make a move on Quinn.

I haven't seen Quinn play. Is he the quarterback of Notre Dame? How would you compare him to Leinhart?

 

[Echo9]

That option is there. It's the next to last one, you want to draft a QB, but not trade up for him.

Ok, I'll clarify by adding....

"and there won't be a QB worth it by the time we pick"

I basically meant that we'll have to stick with what we have. Doesn't mean we're "fine" though.

Just the best option left.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't get it. I read alot of bashing from many fans saying how we should have gotten a real quarterback behind Bledsoe. Well in order to get one you have to trade up. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If we want the next Troy Aikman, than we will have to trade up period. Dallas will not have the number 1 overall pick anytime soon.

I don't buy that at all. What you are saying is that unless you have a top pick you can't get a franchise QB. There are plenty of franchise QB's taken after the first round. Recent example: Tom Brady.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I don't buy that at all. What you are saying is that unless you have a top pick you can't get a franchise QB. There are plenty of franchise QB's taken after the first round. Recent example: Tom Brady.

Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Drew Henson were other examples of GMs/Owners trying to find a franchise QB out of the 1st round.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Drew Henson were other examples of GMs/Owners trying to find a franchise QB out of the 1st round.

Pick any round and you will find bust pick at QB.

Another even more recent example, look at the Commanders and Brunell. Given up for in Jax he put Washington in the playoffs.

 

[neosapien23]

I don't buy that at all. What you are saying is that unless you have a top pick you can't get a franchise QB. There are plenty of franchise QB's taken after the first round. Recent example: Tom Brady.

I wasn't talking about fans like you who have stated many times that we should stand pat and see what we got. I was talking about people that have complained about not taking Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, and even Ben Rothlesberger and being stuck with Drew Bledsoe. The only way you have a shot at quarterbacks that highly touted out of college is to trade up. As for Tom Brady, there are not alot of undrafted free agent and 6th roung quarterbacks that make it. Brady really is an extreme case and is not the norm.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Pick any round and you will find bust pick at QB.

Another even more recent example, look at the Commanders and Brunell. Given up for in Jax he put Washington in the playoffs.

My point is that the Cowboys picked all 3 of those fellas wanting them to be a franchise QB. Tom Brady was luck, not a franchise QB pick. Bledsoe was still supposed to be a Patriot, they just lucked out and found one of the best QBs ever in the 6th round. The Cowboys spent high draft picks and salaries for Drew Henson, Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson but never quite went all the way and risked what they would need for a 1st round franchiser. The year they picked Carter, Michael Vick was the big 1st round QB. So, Atlanta has their franchise QB while we're still trying to find someone. Cincinnati had their veteran QB in place (Kitna) and spent a 1st rounder on QB, Carson Palmer, and whadya know, they now have a franchise QB. Pittsburgh tried to get by with guys like Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox, the same philosophy the Cowboys have used. Then they went out and spent a 1st on Ben Roethlisberger and low and behold, it looks like Cowher is finally going to win a Super Bowl. Our one good chance for a 1st round QB was Byron Leftwich, but we didn't go after him, Jacksonville did, and boom, they have a franchise QB!

Sure, there are 1st round busts at QB, but you have to take the risks, otherwise you're like the Cowboys struggling year after year at the position, and Pittsburgh before they went after Big Ben. Philly got their 1st round QB, and that's one of the big reasons why they've dominated the NFC East over the last several years, the Giants took a chance and they were in the Playoffs and look to have their QB for the next decade. Washington grabbed their guy and have him siting and learning while Brunell holds the fort down. We tried to do that with Henson, but our mistake was going for another baseball player project. You want a franchise QB, you've got to be willing to spend big. Just my two cents.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Some pretty decent late picks...Trent Green 8th, Gus Frerotte 7th, Rob Johnson 4th, Matt Hasselbeck 6th, Aaron Brooks 4th, Marc Bulger 6th, Tom Brady 6th. Don't get me wrong there are many busts on this list. But good ones can be found. Even on day 2.

1993
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Drew Bledsoe QB Washington State
1 2 Rick Mirer QB Notre Dame
3 58 Billy Joe Hobert QB Washington
5 118 Mark Brunell QB Washington
7 192 Gino Torretta QB Miami
8 216 Alex Van Pelt QB Pittsburgh
8 219 Elvis Grbac QB Michigan
8 222 Trent Green QB Indiana

1994
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Heath Shuler QB Tennessee
1 6 Trent Dilfer QB Fresno State
4 111 Perry Klein QB C.W. Post
4 116 Doug Nussmeier QB Idaho
6 178 Jim Miller QB Michigan State
7 197 Gus Frerotte QB Tulsa
7 198 Jay Walker QB Howard
7 199 Steve Matthews QB Memphis
7 208 Glenn Foley QB Boston College

1995
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Steve McNair QB Alcorn State
1 5 Kerry Collins QB Penn State
2 45 Todd Collins QB Michigan
2 60 Kordell Stewart QB Colorado
3 80 Stoney Case QB New Mexico
3 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
4 99 Rob Johnson QB Southern California
4 111 Chad May QB Kansas State
4 119 Dave Barr QB California
4 134 Steve Stenstrom QB Stanford
5 160 Jay Barker QB Alabama
6 191 Jerry Colquitt QB Tennessee
6 197 Craig Whelihan QB Pacific
7 213 John Walsh QB Brigham Young

1996
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 42 Tony Banks QB Michigan State
3 85 Bobby Hoying QB Ohio State
4 100 Jeff Lewis QB Northern Arizona
4 130 Danny Kanell QB Florida State
6 203 Spence Fischer QB Duke
6 205 Mike Cawley QB James Madison
7 238 Jon Stark QB Trinity, Ill.
7 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB Southern California

1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 26 Jim Druckenmiller QB Virginia Tech
2 42 Jake Plummer QB Arizona State
4 99 Danny Wuerffel QB Florida
4 110 Pat Barnes QB California
6 171 Mike Cherry QB Murray State
6 191 Chuck Clements QB Houston
7 204 Tony Graziani QB Oregon
7 207 Koy Detmer QB Colorado
7 234 Wally Richardson QB Penn State
7 237 Tony Corbin QB Sacramento State
7 240 Ronnie McAda QB Army

1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee
1 2 Ryan Leaf QB Washington State
2 60 Charlie Batch QB Eastern Michigan
3 86 Jonathan Quinn QB Middle Tennessee
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan
6 172 John Dutton QB Nevada
6 187 Matt Hasselbeck QB Boston College
7 232 Moses Moreno QB Colorado State

1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky
1 2 Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse
1 3 Akili Smith QB Oregon
1 11 Daunte Culpepper QB Central Florida
1 12 Cade McNown QB UCLA
2 50 Shaun King QB Tulane
3 77 Brock Huard QB Washington
4 101 Joe Germaine QB Ohio State
4 131 Aaron Brooks QB Virginia
5 151 Kevin Daft QB Cal-Davis
7 227 Michael Bishop QB Kansas State
7 239 Chris Greisen QB N.W. Missouri
7 245 Scott Covington QB Miami

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 18 Chad Pennington QB Marshall
3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi QB Hofstra
3 75 Chris Redman QB Louisville
5 163 Tee Martin QB Tennessee
6 168 Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6 183 Spergon Wynn QB S.W. Texas State
6 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
6 202 Todd Husak QB Stanford
6 205 JaJuan Seider QB Florida A&M
7 212 Tim Rattay QB Louisiana Tech
7 214 Jarious Jackson QB Notre Dame
7 234 Joe Hamilton QB Georgia Tech

2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech
2 32 Drew Brees QB Purdue
2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
4 106 Chris Weinke QB Florida State
4 109 Sage Rosenfels QB Iowa State
4 125 Jesse Palmer QB Florida
5 149 Mike McMahon QB Rutgers
5 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon
6 172 Josh Booty QB Louisiana State
6 177 Josh Heupel QB Oklahoma

2002
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 David Carr QB Fresno State
1 3 Joey Harrington QB Oregon
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
3 81 Josh McCown QB Sam Houston State
4 108 David Garrard QB East Carolina
4 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State
5 137 Randy Fasani QB Stanford
5 158 Kurt Kittner QB Illinois
5 163 Brandon Doman QB Brigham Young
5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State, La.
6 186 J.T. O'Sullivan QB Cal-Davis
7 216 Seth Burford QB Cal Poly-SLO
7 232 Jeff Kelly QB Southern Mississippi
7 236 Wes Pate QB Stephen F. Austin

2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Carson Palmer QB Southern California
1 7 Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
1 19 Kyle Boller QB California
1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida
3 88 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
3 97 Chris Simms QB Texas
4 110 Seneca Wallace QB Iowa State
5 163 Brian St. Pierre QB Boston College
6 192 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 200 Brooks Bollinger QB Wisconsin
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana
7 241 Ken Dorsey QB Miami

2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Eli Manning QB Mississippi
1 4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami, O.
1 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane
3 90 Matt Schaub QB Virginia
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State
6 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware
6 187 Josh Harris QB Bowling Green
6 193 Jim Sorgi QB Wisconsin
6 201 Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State
7 202 John Navarre QB Michigan
7 217 Cody Pickett QB Washington
7 218 Casey Bramlet QB Wyoming
7 225 Matt Mauck QB Louisiana State
7 248 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt QB Colorado State

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Some pretty decent late picks...Trent Green 8th, Gus Frerotte 7th, Rob Johnson 4th, Matt Hasselbeck 6th, Aaron Brooks 4th, Marc Bulger 6th, Tom Brady 6th. Don't get me wrong there are many busts on this list. But good ones can be found. Even on day 2.

Trent Green, Matt Hasselbeck and Tom Brady are the only guys on that list I consider franchise QBs, and only Brady reached his potential on the team he started with. And again, none of those guys was picked as the QB of the future. Belichick thought Bledsoe was his man for the next decade. Favre was the man in Green Bay when Hasselbeck was drafted. Stan Humphries was the man in San Diego when Green was drafted.

Again, I'm not saying you can't find a franchise QB out of the 1st, but more often than not, ESPECIALLY with the low round draft picks, it's just pure luck. Jake Delhomme wasn't signed as the starter of the Panthers, they didn't know how good he could be. Brady wasn't anything more than a backup afterthought in Belichick's mind.

If you want to find the next Aikman, you've got a draft a QB where you picked Aikman. I think we've run out of ol' Bill Parcells QBs, so it's time to prepare for the future.

 

[Zippy Speedster]

Only for Vince Young.

Simply because his "flash" would tide us over until he had proven himself. I think with either of the other two we would be sitting around scratching our heads over whether this was a good trade or not for all that time.

I don't think many Falcons fans are upset that they have Vick even though they aren't winning always. Same in Philly with McNabb. Or Farve in Green Bay. Players of this stock bring excitement to fans even when the team is in a rut. Their pressence emphasises "HOPE".

Do it Jerry! Draw the gun---SHOOT!

 

[jackrussell]

I haven't seen Quinn play. Is he the quarterback of Notre Dame? How would you compare him to Leinhart?

Let's put it this way. Rather than debate who's better between Young, Leinhart, or Quinn, I'll just say I'd let 2 other people take 2 of them and I'll be happy with who's left.

 

[trueblue1687]

Nope.

We need to at least give a legitimate chance to Romo and / Henson and see what they've got. The bottom line is nobody REALLY knows yet.

Leinart is probably the best of the draft. A real solid player.

Young is a fantastic athlete, but will have a learning curve in the NFL. Could be great, my guess is he'll be average to slightly above average.

Cutler is a riverboat gambler who has TREMENDOUS arm strength and could be great, but he's an incurable risk taker. I've watched this guy here in Knoxville as well as a couple times in Nashville...He could flourish w/ the right team.

Look out for the guy from Clemson, Whitehurst. I think he has what it takes to be a solid QB....not great, but could take a team far.