Wow, semi-bombshell on 103.3 re: Parcells & Drafts

[Chocolate Lab]

Bryan Broaddus was a scout with the team for several years -- until, I believe, 2006.

Well, Galloway and Hensen were having a discussion on Parcells and his drafts. Galloway said look at the 2003 draft -- it was great with Newman, Witten, and Bradie. Broaddus texted in, "Don't give Parcells credit for 2003." So they asked him to call in with more explanation.

He said you could give Parcells credit for Witten, because he was good at evaluating TEs and he preferred Witten over LJ Smith. But Parcells wanted NO PART of Terence Newman. The guy he really wanted was Dwayne Robertson, and he fought Ciskowski (sp?) and the other scouts over Newman. Finally, he just gave up and said, okay, you guys take who you want.

He said Parcells' first draft was more about evaluating the scouts he would be working with over evaluating the players they'd take. He mainly sat back and observed how the scouts worked.

Asked what he thought about Parcells' evaluating skills, Broaddus said that Parcells was good at certain positions like TE and LB, and weak at others, like OL. He said Parcells' parameters were almost too hard to meet on OL, so he forced some things. (I wish he'd explained that further.)

Anyway... There were always rumors to that effect, but it's the first time I've heard it really confirmed.

Feel free to discuss.

 

[theebs]

Bryan Broaddus was a scout with the team for several years -- until, I believe, 2006.

Well, Galloway and Hensen were having a discussion on Parcells and his drafts. Galloway said look at the 2003 draft -- it was great with Newman, Witten, and Bradie. Broaddus texted in, "Don't give Parcells credit for 2003." So they asked him to call in with more explanation.

He said you could give Parcells credit for Witten, because he was good at evaluating TEs and he preferred Witten over LJ Smith. But Parcells wanted NO PART of Terence Newman. The guy he really wanted was Dwayne Robertson, and he fought Ciskowski (sp?) and the other scouts over Newman. Finally, he just gave up and said, okay, you guys take who you want.

He said Parcells' first draft was more about evaluating the scouts he would be working with over evaluating the players they'd take.

Asked what he thought about Parcells' evaluating skills, Broaddus said that Parcells was good at certain positions like TE and LB, and weak at others, like OL. He said Parcells' parameters were almost too hard to meet on OL, so he forced some things. (I wish he'd explained that further.)

Anyway... There were always rumors to that effect, but it's the first time I've heard it really confirmed.

Feel free to discuss.

i think parcells made some changes with broaddus and others in 04. i may be wrong.

and yes Tom Ciskowski is the second most important guy to jeff ireland, i believe ciskowski is in charge of all college players.

Cl, this just sounds like what probably goes on in every war room, i highly doubt there is a mutual pick from any teams front office.

 

[juck]

Sounds about on as we have 200 tight ends.

 

[theebs]

Sounds about on as we have 200 tight ends.

or just 3 and two of them are very good.

 

[Nors]

In any good draft warroom there will be differences of opinions on players.

You can nit pick a few of Parcells picks but all in all he did a great job upgrading talent since 2002/2003

And as far as I am concerned major kudo's for evaluating Romo > Chutch and Romo > Henson. Without Parcells we could be back with the Dolphins, Falcons and Raiders of the world....

Thank you Bill -

 

[Rack]

i think parcells made some changes with broaddus and others in 04. i may be wrong.

and yes Tom Ciskowski is the second most important guy to jeff ireland, i believe ciskowski is in charge of all college players.

Cl, this just sounds like what probably goes on in every war room, i highly doubt there is a mutual pick from any teams front office.

Exactly.

But that won't stop the overbearing hate that's about to ensue...

 

[cowboyz]

are you sure it wasn't kevin williams? dewayne robertson was picked ahead of the cowboys so there wasn't a debate.

if they had to do it over again, kevin williams is a better pick

btw that draft was pretty good

 

[Chocolate Lab]

are you sure it wasn't kevin williams? dewayne robertson was picked ahead of the cowboys so there wasn't a debate.

if they had to do it over again, kevin williams is a better pick

btw that draft was pretty good

Yep, no mention of Williams. I remember at the time, the team liked him but thought #5 was too high. He was a low-20s kind of guy until the Senior Bowl and right before the draft. The Vikes pick was higher than anyone had him rated before the draft.

Anyway, there's no hate here.

And sure, there's back-and-forth in most war rooms, but you'd think Mr. Let Me Buy The Groceries would have overwhelming say, wouldn't you?

 

[dozin_theknick]

Bryan Broaddus was a scout with the team for several years -- until, I believe, 2006.

Well, Galloway and Hensen were having a discussion on Parcells and his drafts. Galloway said look at the 2003 draft -- it was great with Newman, Witten, and Bradie. Broaddus texted in, "Don't give Parcells credit for 2003." So they asked him to call in with more explanation.

He said you could give Parcells credit for Witten, because he was good at evaluating TEs and he preferred Witten over LJ Smith. But Parcells wanted NO PART of Terence Newman. The guy he really wanted was Dwayne Robertson, and he fought Ciskowski (sp?) and the other scouts over Newman. Finally, he just gave up and said, okay, you guys take who you want.

He said Parcells' first draft was more about evaluating the scouts he would be working with over evaluating the players they'd take. He mainly sat back and observed how the scouts worked.

Asked what he thought about Parcells' evaluating skills, Broaddus said that Parcells was good at certain positions like TE and LB, and weak at others, like OL. He said Parcells' parameters were almost too hard to meet on OL, so he forced some things. (I wish he'd explained that further.)

Anyway... There were always rumors to that effect, but it's the first time I've heard it really confirmed.

Feel free to discuss.

Finally, a thread that wont cause any controversy, ill will, or harsh words.

 

[Cbz40]

"Asked what he thought about Parcells' evaluating skills, Broaddus said that Parcells was good at certain positions like TE and LB, and weak at others, like OL."

His evaluating of OL ..well, I would agree, very suspect.

 

[Paniolo22]

The only thing questionable here is the word "Bombshell".

 

[CoCo]

It was pretty well known that BP liked Robertson in the days leading up to the draft. And I'd also heard of his interest in Williams.

 

[AbeBeta]

But Parcells wanted NO PART of Terence Newman. The guy he really wanted was Dwayne Robertson, and he fought Ciskowski (sp?) and the other scouts over Newman.

Want Robertson or not, he was off the board before we picked -- so I don't see how Robertson vs. Newman could have been the argument.

I did hear that BP loved Kevin Williams but recognized #5 was too high to take him.

Really this just comes down to Bill not liking to draft WRs and CBs. His teams have to have size so he's naturally going to favor "big" positions like the d-line.

 

[AbeBeta]

... "Don't give Parcells credit for 2003." So they asked him to call in with more explanation.

He said you could give Parcells credit for Witten

So if we don't give credit for Newman, it also means that we DON'T give blame for Al Johnson

Can all of you handle that?

 

[theogt]

I'm surprised we never rolled out a 6-5 look with Parcells -- 6 linemen and 5 linebackers. Who needs WRs and CBs in today's NFL, what with it slanted towards the running game and all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

"Asked what he thought about Parcells' evaluating skills, Broaddus said that Parcells was good at certain positions like TE and LB, and weak at others, like OL."

His evaluating of OL ..well, I would agree, very suspect.

it seems Parcells placed a premium on good character, hard-working guys moreso than on talent, Jacob Rogers was supposed to be a warrior, until he turned ***** once we drafted him, although Stephen Peterman was a guy who got by on gusto, more than on athletic talent

but then you have Torrin Tucker, a great athlete, but not much going on in the head, so I'm not really sure what his requisite for Olinemen was

 

[btcutter]

"Asked what he thought about Parcells' evaluating skills, Broaddus said that Parcells was good at certain positions like TE and LB, and weak at others, like OL."

His evaluating of OL ..well, I would agree, very suspect.

Sure about the LB??? he did draft Carpenter too you know. TE? got another one in Fasano.

I think Parcell is very good at finding diamonds in the rough (4-7th round) but the 1st three rounds....so so............

 

[CowboyChris]

Bryan Broaddus was a scout with the team for several years -- until, I believe, 2006.

Well, Galloway and Hensen were having a discussion on Parcells and his drafts. Galloway said look at the 2003 draft -- it was great with Newman, Witten, and Bradie. Broaddus texted in, "Don't give Parcells credit for 2003." So they asked him to call in with more explanation.

He said you could give Parcells credit for Witten, because he was good at evaluating TEs and he preferred Witten over LJ Smith. But Parcells wanted NO PART of Terence Newman. The guy he really wanted was Dwayne Robertson, and he fought Ciskowski (sp?) and the other scouts over Newman. Finally, he just gave up and said, okay, you guys take who you want.

He said Parcells' first draft was more about evaluating the scouts he would be working with over evaluating the players they'd take. He mainly sat back and observed how the scouts worked.

Asked what he thought about Parcells' evaluating skills, Broaddus said that Parcells was good at certain positions like TE and LB, and weak at others, like OL. He said Parcells' parameters were almost too hard to meet on OL, so he forced some things. (I wish he'd explained that further.)

Anyway... There were always rumors to that effect, but it's the first time I've heard it really confirmed.

Feel free to discuss.

ive been saying that for years, i knew Parcells didnt want Newman, his facial expressions on draft said it all.

the following players below were all BP picks in my opinion

2003
Jason Witten
Al Johnson
Zuriel Smith

2004
Julius Jones
Jacob Rogers
Steven Peterman
Sean Ryan

2005
Marcus Spears
Chris Canty
Rob Petitti

2006
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Fasano
Skyler Green
E.J. Whitley

i dont think BP was onboard for the TO, Henson trades either.

great draft link here:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1200&type=team

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it should be common knowledge already that Parcells was dead-set on getting Dewayne Robertson

 

[Everlastingxxx]

That’s what gets me is why so many give Parcells all the credit for the draft picks. We don’t have the inside knowledge (until now). I think the 2007 draft was a really good draft and that was without Parcells. I just think many go to extremes and give him all or none of the credit.