WR corps (Not a TO thread)

[SkinsandTerps]

Seems apparent that many of you guys feel that a WR is a need for the Cowboys.

My questions are :

What is the problem with the current WRs ?
Which WR is the weakest link ?
Why would an older receiver be the answer ?
Does the draft seem like a viable option ?

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

 

[Woods]

Seems apparent that many of you guys feel that a WR is a need for the Cowboys.

My questions are :

What is the problem with the current WRs ?
Which WR is the weakest link ?
Why would an older receiver be the answer ?
Does the draft seem like a viable option ?

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

With the current WRs, the main concern is age and health (Key and Glenn). Age moreso a problem in 2007 and 2008 with Key. Health more of a concern with Glenn.

Plus, with the current WRs, Glenn is the only true guy we have who can really get deep consistently and stretch the field (IMO).

The draft is definitely an option, but it usually takes a WR a couple years to develop.

As for Crayton, I think he can be a very good number 3 or even a good number 2. Remember, it takes time to develop these young guys.

I wouldn't mind getting one more WR in FA this year and still draft a WR in the 3rd-5th rounds and develop him.

All in all, I like our top 3 WRs, they all have good hands. But youth should be served via the Draft. As for this year, a solid veteran would be great while the rookie draft pick learns.

 

[Ashwynn]

Seems apparent that many of you guys feel that a WR is a need for the Cowboys.

My questions are :

What is the problem with the current WRs ?
Which WR is the weakest link ?
Why would an older receiver be the answer ?
Does the draft seem like a viable option ?

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

The problem last year was not our receivers, It was the Oline. Pple here just have this man chrush on TO. God knows why.

Crayton is one of those up and comers. Hes gunna be good, may never be great, but hes not gunna go bust on you.

Our receiver corp is solid nd with an Oline proved to be in the ttop 5 last year while things stayed straight. once Flo went down, our Oline had no help and was insufficient to the task and Bledsoe and Julius paid the price. As a result the receivers numbers dropped and every one here just all of a sudden decided we needed TO. I dont know why, TO dont block on the Oline, TO dont throw balls to receivers, TO dont run the ball more then 5 times a year. What the hell do we need TO for? No one can or will answer that question.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Seems apparent that many of you guys feel that a WR is a need for the Cowboys.

My questions are :

What is the problem with the current WRs ?
Which WR is the weakest link ?
Why would an older receiver be the answer ?
Does the draft seem like a viable option ?

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

What's a WR thread without mentioning TO? Skins fan...

Seriously, people just have a problem w/the fact they're not "homegrown" Cowboys. They're Parcell's retreads. They're a lil up in age, and there's no viable #1 or #2 replacement behind them... outside of potential #2 (Crayton) and special teamers (Copper).

TO may be an older WR, but he's a legit homerun threat, so that's why some folks are willing to overlook his narcissistic behavior.

Draft is always viable...but the last legit WR we drafted just signed a deal w/the 49ers. What does that tell you?

I like our current starters, just wish we had better depth behind them. I don't think we need TO to get over the hump. I think we need some legit talent behind the starters. Guys who can really push Key and Glenn for PT. We don't have that right now. Maybe we'll get it in the this year's draft.

 

[Ashwynn]

With the current WRs, the main concern is age and health (Key and Glenn). Age moreso a problem in 2007 and 2008 with Key. Health more of a concern with Glenn.

So lets go get a 33/34 yo receiver, hes not old, hes GOD!

 

[ravidubey]

The guys who take pressure off of Bledsoe (Key and Witten) are not playmakers, they are chain-movers. The big play guy (Glenn) needs the QB to toss a deep ball, which is a low percentage play.

Terrell Owens can catch the quick post and break a big play. That's the ultimate blitz breaker. Witten and Key get tackled immediately and Terry would get broken across the middle.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

The problem last year was not our receivers, It was the Oline. Pple here just have this man chrush on TO. God knows why.

Crayton is one of those up and comers. Hes gunna be good, may never be great, but hes not gunna go bust on you.

Our receiver corp is solid nd with an Oline proved to be in the ttop 5 last year while things stayed straight. once Flo went down, our Oline had no help and was insufficient to the task and Bledsoe and Julius paid the price. As a result the receivers numbers dropped and every one here just all of a sudden decided we needed TO. I dont know why, TO dont block on the Oline, TO dont throw balls to receivers, TO dont run the ball more then 5 times a year. What the hell do we need TO for? No one can or will answer that question.

My question to you is if people know th oline is the problem, why are more people not outraged that the Cowboys didn't get in the hunt for Bentley and Hutchinson, two of the best linemen in the NFL, and have yet to surface in any offensive tackle talks, which by far was the biggest weakness!

I'm starting to wonder if just as TO is an easy guy to want because he plays a glorified position, maybe folks aren't crazy for linemen because it's such an inglorious position. :scream:

 

[1fisher]

Seems apparent that many of you guys feel that a WR is a need for the Cowboys.

My questions are :

What is the problem with the current WRs ?
Which WR is the weakest link ?
Why would an older receiver be the answer ?
Does the draft seem like a viable option ?

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

Crayton is gonna be good... book it! Good hands and speed! Oh, BTW, I was at the game two years ago when Crayton burned your boy Sean Taylor for the game winning TD..... :laugh2:

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

personally, if you all were really looking to get a WR, I think Chad Jackson from flordia would be great for you all. He is extremely fast, and would provide another deep threat that you all could use.

but, i think that you all are either going to draft a OL or FS in (edit)first round ofthe draft right? So that idea kind of goes out the window

 

[mwmilsted]

Try this scenario:

1. Cut Key
2. Avoid TO signing
3. Trade with Detroit for one of their receivers( probably Rogers) as Detroit
just signed a 4th receiver yesterday.
4. Acquire either Moulds or Walker (assuming he passes a physical)

 

[Wimbo]

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

Crayton probably is not ever going to be a feared #1 receiver, but I think he is an excellent #3 today, and possibly a decent #2. Last year he started off the season very well, making 18 grabs for 272 yds and 2 TD's in his first 6 games, playing as the #3 receiver. That projects to 48 catches for 725 yds and 5 TD's over a 16 games season. His injury took him out for several weeks, and slowed him for the rest of the season.

He has awesome hands, and is deceptively quick. He is also a good trick-play guy, as he was a QB in college. That said, he could be an emergency QB. His athletic skills are world-class, but he has never been coached exclusively as a WR until he got to Dallas. His routes should continue to improve, as well as his WR instincts. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Key and Glenn: Both fine WR's that compliment each other. Key is clearly a posession WR, while Glenn is a speed guy. Both are getting old, however, and I always worry about Glenn staying healthy.

IMO, Dallas has a decent set of WR's, but no one that other teams have scheme around. Adding a playmaker to the WR corps will do wonders for the running game, as well as Witten's production.

 

[silverbear]

Seems apparent that many of you guys feel that a WR is a need for the Cowboys.

My questions are :

What is the problem with the current WRs ?

Glenn and Johnson are both well over 30, Crayton is still developing, and the Boys don't have another credible receiver on the roster right now... Terrance Copper, Tom Crowder and Jamaica Rector don't scare anybody...

Which WR is the weakest link ?

Everybody after the top 3...

Why would an older receiver be the answer ?

For the short term, that would give the Boys 3 older, proven receivers, plus the young Crayton... ideally, the Boys would also draft a WR on the first day (more on that in response to your next question)... given that older receivers are a bit more injury-prone, having Moulds, Johnson, Glenn and Crayton would help insure that the Boys would always have 3 good wideouts to run out there (and the Boys don't run many 4 receiver sets)... obviously, a veteran would be a short-term, stopgap option, requiring the development of younger receivers...

Does the draft seem like a viable option ?

There don't seem to be any studs this year, but there do seem to be some nice alternatives in the 2nd or 3rd round range... guys like Martin Nance from Miami-Ohio, Hank Baskett from New Mexico, Demetrius Williams from Oregon, Mike Hass from Oregon State, Travis Wilson from Oklahoma, Cory Rodgers from TCU, Jonathon Orr from Wiscons, Todd Watkins from BYU, Brandon Williams from Wisconsin and Greg Jennings from Western Michigan would factor in that range, between picks 49 and 80... there's also QB Reggie McNeal, who most scouts think will have to move to WR in the NFL... we know the Boys have shown some interest in Nance, D. Williams, Hass, McNeal, Rodgers, Orr, Watkins, Jennings, and B. Williams...

My preference from that group would be Nance or Watkins, because the Boys need more speed at WR... as things stand now, Terry Glenn is their only real downfield threat...

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

Anybody who can punk Sean Taylor has some game... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

My question to you is if people know th oline is the problem, why are more people not outraged that the Cowboys didn't get in the hunt for Bentley and Hutchinson, two of the best linemen in the NFL,

I'd heard the Boys were interested in Bentley, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out there were interested in Hutchinson too...

But both players signed with the first team they visited, exactly how could the Cowboys have prevented that from happening??

and have yet to surface in any offensive tackle talks, which by far was the biggest weakness!

Kyle Kosier may ultimately wind up at tackle, he's played there before... and from what I've heard, the Boys are bringing in Mike Williams from the Bills for a chat on Friday of this week... don't know if that rumor is reliable, though...

I've also seen them linked to OG Steve Neal, so I'd say they're looking intently at offensive line help this offseason...

 

[silverbear]

personally, if you all were really looking to get a WR, I think Chad Jackson from flordia would be great for you all. He is extremely fast, and would provide another deep threat that you all could use.

but, i think that you all are either going to draft a OL or FS in (edit)first round ofthe draft right? So that idea kind of goes out the window

Personally, I don't think either one of the two top WRs in this draft are good value at pick 18... I'd prefer they go OLB or FS (Jerry said a few weeks back he didn't think the Boys would go OL in the first round) in the first, then there should be fair value at WR in the second, or even third, round...

 

[Kevlee06]

If it was me making the draft decisions I would hold off on drafting a WR until next year when there could be an abundance of highly rated WR. Holmes would probably be the 5th or 6th rated WR next year. Thats just me.

 

[iceberg]

Seems apparent that many of you guys feel that a WR is a need for the Cowboys.

My questions are :

What is the problem with the current WRs ?
Which WR is the weakest link ?
Why would an older receiver be the answer ?
Does the draft seem like a viable option ?

And just to talk a little trash...Crayton isnt the answer either.

hey - some very valid questions.

our wr's are old. period. behind the 2 "old" cagey vets we have crayton who we HOPE can be a solid #2 but no one should have delusions of irvin, or rice, or any legitimate #1 wr in crayton.

after that we have copper.

yesterday someone put up a poll on who's wr's they'd rather have, ours or the skins and i'm one of the few that picked the skins.

look at our wrs:
key - tossed aside in tampa and traded for galloway in a swap of problem wr's. no one wanted key and there's a reason just about all teams pass on a player. i like key, i think he's a solid wr, but he's older and doesn't do much to push the rest of the team or wr's to be better.

glenn - got him for what, a 6th round pick or something from green bay? he couldn't get past walker or driver or any other gb wr. so another outcast.

crayton - 7th round pick and the new current underdog we'll love to root for till he either succeeds or we're tired of giving him chances and we'll find antother longshot to love.

copper - please.

now - the skins wr's. moss, lloyd, patten, el? that's some talent baby. lloyds biggest problem is while he'll make a highlight film catch on one play, he's lible to duck on another. : ) however, value for value, i rated the skins wr's higher for youth, and who'd be around longer. hell, key could be gone in a few hours then what?

TO?

please. i'd rather nailgun my privates to a public place than put MR ME on the team. but if we do - TO, glenn and crayton. not a whole lot better than what we have really except in some rabid fans eyes who equate overall controversy into success on the field.

so, our WR's need help and need help badly. if i had my pick i'd pack up ellis and maybe a 4th round pick to green bay for walker. if moulds is cut, i'd consider taking a look there to replace keyshawn. if we had:

walker, glenn, moulds, crayton - i'd feel better about our WR's against the skins. as it is to me only a homer rates ours higher.

so all told, our wr corps needs help and one controversial player isn't the answer.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

My preference from that group would be Nance or Watkins, because the Boys need more speed at WR... as things stand now, Terry Glenn is their only real downfield threat...

Nance isnt really a speedster. When i saw him in the combine, I thought he ran a 4.5? but, he would be a good downfield threat with his height, and jumping ability

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Glenn and Johnson are both well over 30, Crayton is still developing, and the Boys don't have another credible receiver on the roster right now... Terrance Copper, Tom Crowder and Jamaica Rector don't scare anybody...

How did I know you would respond. Shouldnt you be on your way home from work about now. Geez.

Anyway, from some of the things I have been reading Glenn is somewhat fragile, Johnson is on the decline, and Crayton has the potential to be a solid #2 (which, I tend to agree with). The thing that would scare me if I was a Cowboys fan, is that only one side of the ball seems to be getting younger. The depth a WR is questionable, but all teams have that problem.

Everybody after the top 3...

So doesnt that mean that younger potentially good WRs would be a top priority. Koren Robinson, Randle El, etc, may or may not have been the best options for the Cowboys, but at least they would have been options. I was convinced that the Cowboys would go after Burress last season.

For the short term, that would give the Boys 3 older, proven receivers, plus the young Crayton... ideally, the Boys would also draft a WR on the first day (more on that in response to your next question)... given that older receivers are a bit more injury-prone, having Moulds, Johnson, Glenn and Crayton would help insure that the Boys would always have 3 good wideouts to run out there (and the Boys don't run many 4 receiver sets)... obviously, a veteran would be a short-term, stopgap option, requiring the development of younger receivers...

I agree with that take. The Cowboys need the best of both worlds though, solid youth infused wuth their current talent.

There don't seem to be any studs this year, but there do seem to be some nice alternatives in the 2nd or 3rd round range... guys like Martin Nance from Miami-Ohio, Hank Baskett from New Mexico, Demetrius Williams from Oregon, Mike Hass from Oregon State, Travis Wilson from Oklahoma, Cory Rodgers from TCU, Jonathon Orr from Wiscons, Todd Watkins from BYU, Brandon Williams from Wisconsin and Greg Jennings from Western Michigan would factor in that range, between picks 49 and 80... there's also QB Reggie McNeal, who most scouts think will have to move to WR in the NFL... we know the Boys have shown some interest in Nance, D. Williams, Hass, McNeal, Rodgers, Orr, Watkins, Jennings, and B. Williams...

My preference from that group would be Nance or Watkins, because the Boys need more speed at WR... as things stand now, Terry Glenn is their only real downfield threat...

IMO, that is all the Cowboys need. Some young burners to go along with Keyshawn and Witten. Complimentary players to the quality players already in place. If you cant have that balance in todays NFL its an uphill battle. The Rams had Bruce and got Holt, the Colts had Harrison and got Wayne.

Anybody who can punk Sean Taylor has some game... LOL...

Guess you dont remember the payback from the Monday night game.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

If it was me making the draft decisions I would hold off on drafting a WR until next year when there could be an abundance of highly rated WR. Holmes would probably be the 5th or 6th rated WR next year. Thats just me.

Why not this year and next ?

There will be plenty of other players available to fill holes.

 

[silverbear]

Nance isnt really a speedster. When i saw him in the combine, I thought he ran a 4.5? but, he would be a good downfield threat with his height, and jumping ability

I honestly believe he's faster than that... he averaged 15 yards per catch in college, he was obviously getting downfield some... I know going into the offseason, it was generally expected that he'd run in the 4.4-4.45 range...

It may be that he wasn't at his best at the combines, I don't know... of course, it may be that he hasn't gotten all of his speed back after the knee injury he suffered in 04...