WR is an overrated need

[BlindFaith]

WR is an overrated need for this team.

CeeDee locked in as number 1.

Yes we don’t have a proven number 2, but we have 4 other guys making the roster: Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo, Flournoy. We technically used our 4th for Mingo who should be number two territory at this point in his career.

Now, one of these guys can develop into the number 2 (not Turpin who is a dangerous weapon). I can see Tolbert, Mingo and/or Flournoy taking a big leap this year. But we already have 5 guys at WR the team wants to give snaps to. The team def views WR as a high need per the 30 visits, but this doesn’t sit right with me given the above. Plus I left off Jalen Brooks bc he’s been atrocious IMO.

To me, CB is the most pressing need on this roster and leads me to question why Jahdae Barron isn’t a bigger rumor for us at 12 than someone like Golden. Barron would be able to own the slot and play outside if needed + adding another playmaker to our defense which was abysmal last season. How can we trust Bland/Diggs to be healthy? At this point it’s more likely one will be injured.

Trenches is always a need so there’s also that angle.

Finally, an elite TE like Warren might make even more sense than a WR in how it could help the run & pass O.

Am I tripping, or is WR an overrated need and we’d be just as good or better off going trenches, DB, or TE?

As long as Dak is the QB, it doesnt matter. He'll force the ball to CD. He cant read a defense. Many times the "#2" was running open and he didnt see him.

With that said, Im building the defense up. Corner/DL, LB, Safety. In that order. Throw in a RB somewhere in rd2 or 3.

 

[Flamma]

Since this draft is deep at WR but no blue chippers, better to take a WR in rounds 3-6 and see if he works out.

Tai Felton in the 3rd would be great, but he does need to put on some muscle.

He looks pretty fast too. I have him listed as a mid 5th round pick. If he's any good, that would be a pretty good deal.

 

[thunderpimp91]

WR isn't an overrated need at all. The best argument against that is simply that the Cowboys have other significant needs, but that doesn't cancel out the fact that this is a fairly bad WR group overall.

The other thing to keep in mind at WR is even if things work out really well for the Cowboys and we see progression out of Tolbert and Mingo, this is the last year of team control for Tolbert and Mingo's deal only runs through 2026. Getting another guy on a cheap 4 year rookie deal has to be tempting as they are unlikely to spend significant money on a WR2 once they hit free agency.

 

[cnuball21]

Don’t get me wrong CB is a big need as well but to say WR as a need is overrated is insane to me. We haven’t had a competent #2 receiving option in years. Our WR room compared to NFC playoff is laughable.

At CB you’ve got a stud in Bland, you hope Diggs can come back strong, Carson entering year 2 (top 100ish prospect) and a former 1st rounder in Elam where. change of scheme / scenery might help.

I’d 100% take a CB early if it’s BPA but WR is a massive need on this team.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

WR is an overrated need for this team.

CeeDee locked in as number 1.

Yes we don’t have a proven number 2, but we have 4 other guys making the roster: Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo, Flournoy. We technically used our 4th for Mingo who should be number two territory at this point in his career.

Now, one of these guys can develop into the number 2 (not Turpin who is a dangerous weapon). I can see Tolbert, Mingo and/or Flournoy taking a big leap this year. But we already have 5 guys at WR the team wants to give snaps to. The team def views WR as a high need per the 30 visits, but this doesn’t sit right with me given the above. Plus I left off Jalen Brooks bc he’s been atrocious IMO.

To me, CB is the most pressing need on this roster and leads me to question why Jahdae Barron isn’t a bigger rumor for us at 12 than someone like Golden. Barron would be able to own the slot and play outside if needed + adding another playmaker to our defense which was abysmal last season. How can we trust Bland/Diggs to be healthy? At this point it’s more likely one will be injured.

Trenches is always a need so there’s also that angle.

Finally, an elite TE like Warren might make even more sense than a WR in how it could help the run & pass O.

Am I tripping, or is WR an overrated need and we’d be just as good or better off going trenches, DB, or TE?

you need talent, not just bodies. 4 below average WRs don't equal a good WR. you just are rotating a JAG in and out.... they are for depth only. a WR2, would help CD and the offense. right now teams are singling the other WRs, not paying attention, rolling defense to CD and then next is Fergi....and with lack of running game, its CD or else and makes the offense predictable and easy to defend. a true WR2, would open up the field and allow the team to attack all areas of the defense and force the defense to choose their poison pill. roll to take CD out, then fergi and WR2 should have ample opportunities. also focus on WR2, then Fergi and CD would benefit. it also will help the other WRs, none of which in my opinion are true WR3s. because they will get the single coverage and the backups covering them, which should give them more opportunities. add a decent running game and the defense is on its heels, trying to guess what's coming. its the missing piece.

now, somebody is going to claim turpin and tolbert are WR3, but tolbert had 49 receptions as WR2...and when you really break it down, most of it came against crappy teams and bottom feeding defenses and garbage time, like NO, Detroit, Atl, Philly and Houston, with most catches coming later in the game when we were in obvious passing situation. his best game ever was against Pitt and he had 10 catches.

he might be able to fill the WR3 role, which would be even better for him and for us.

am I against Warren pick? no, but I think WR2 would do so much more than a TE. Fergi is not top 5, but how much difference between him and Warren...vs. Tolbert and a true WR2.....Fergi had a down year, because after CD he was the next passing target and they took him out of the games.

IMHO, WR2 would help take the offense to another level. of course as I said before, we also need a strong running game.

 

[cnuball21]

you need talent, not just bodies. 4 below average WRs don't equal a good WR. you just are rotating a JAG in and out.... they are for depth only. a WR2, would help CD and the offense. right now teams are singling the other WRs, not paying attention, rolling defense to CD and then next is Fergi....and with lack of running game, its CD or else and makes the offense predictable and easy to defend. a true WR2, would open up the field and allow the team to attack all areas of the defense and force the defense to choose their poison pill. roll to take CD out, then fergi and WR2 should have ample opportunities. also focus on WR2, then Fergi and CD would benefit. it also will help the other WRs, none of which in my opinion are true WR3s. because they will get the single coverage and the backups covering them, which should give them more opportunities. add a decent running game and the defense is on its heels, trying to guess what's coming. its the missing piece.

now, somebody is going to claim turpin and tolbert are WR3, but tolbert had 49 receptions as WR2...and when you really break it down, most of it came against crappy teams and bottom feeding defenses and garbage time, like NO, Detroit, Atl, Philly and Houston, with most catches coming later in the game when we were in obvious passing situation. his best game ever was against Pitt and he had 10 catches.

he might be able to fill the WR3 role, which would be even better for him and for us.

am I against Warren pick? no, but I think WR2 would do so much more than a TE. Fergi is not top 5, but how much difference between him and Warren...vs. Tolbert and a true WR2.....Fergi had a down year, because after CD he was the next passing target and they took him out of the games.

IMHO, WR2 would help take the offense to another level. of course as I said before, we also need a strong running game.

“You need talent not just bodies” is an epic quote.

 

[Pass2Run]

WR is an overrated need for this team.

CeeDee locked in as number 1.

Yes we don’t have a proven number 2, but we have 4 other guys making the roster: Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo, Flournoy. We technically used our 4th for Mingo who should be number two territory at this point in his career.

Now, one of these guys can develop into the number 2 (not Turpin who is a dangerous weapon). I can see Tolbert, Mingo and/or Flournoy taking a big leap this year. But we already have 5 guys at WR the team wants to give snaps to. The team def views WR as a high need per the 30 visits, but this doesn’t sit right with me given the above. Plus I left off Jalen Brooks bc he’s been atrocious IMO.

To me, CB is the most pressing need on this roster and leads me to question why Jahdae Barron isn’t a bigger rumor for us at 12 than someone like Golden. Barron would be able to own the slot and play outside if needed + adding another playmaker to our defense which was abysmal last season. How can we trust Bland/Diggs to be healthy? At this point it’s more likely one will be injured.

Trenches is always a need so there’s also that angle.

Finally, an elite TE like Warren might make even more sense than a WR in how it could help the run & pass O.

Am I tripping, or is WR an overrated need and we’d be just as good or better off going trenches, DB, or TE?

I can see the logic both ways. If I have a chioice, I take Warren.

For CB, I'd take Hairston over Barron. I know it's not a popular viewpoint. I just think he'll be a better NFL player. And I'm a Texas fan. Dude is explosive and nimble. I don't put much stock in the draft media. It's a good starting point. But the draft never falls all that close to how they project it to.

Good post, btw.

 

[Chasing6]

“You need talent not just bodies” is an epic quote.

Tolbert had a solid year last year.

 

[stilltheguru]

I agree with the premise but then you ruined it mentioning tight end. If we don't need wr2 then we don't need a tight end either.

 

[Mr_437]

WR is an overrated need for this team.

CeeDee locked in as number 1.

Yes we don’t have a proven number 2, but we have 4 other guys making the roster: Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo, Flournoy. We technically used our 4th for Mingo who should be number two territory at this point in his career.

Now, one of these guys can develop into the number 2 (not Turpin who is a dangerous weapon). I can see Tolbert, Mingo and/or Flournoy taking a big leap this year. But we already have 5 guys at WR the team wants to give snaps to. The team def views WR as a high need per the 30 visits, but this doesn’t sit right with me given the above. Plus I left off Jalen Brooks bc he’s been atrocious IMO.

To me, CB is the most pressing need on this roster and leads me to question why Jahdae Barron isn’t a bigger rumor for us at 12 than someone like Golden. Barron would be able to own the slot and play outside if needed + adding another playmaker to our defense which was abysmal last season. How can we trust Bland/Diggs to be healthy? At this point it’s more likely one will be injured.

Trenches is always a need so there’s also that angle.

Finally, an elite TE like Warren might make even more sense than a WR in how it could help the run & pass O.

Am I tripping, or is WR an overrated need and we’d be just as good or better off going trenches, DB, or TE?

Agreed. WR wasn't a top need the last game of the season. Cowboys need to stop the run, y'all want to talk about if CeeDee hurt, what if Mazi gets hurt? What if Bland gets hurt? Those guys aren't even elite like CeeDee. Cowboys need a running game more than a WR2. Again, a TE can be a 2nd option in the passing game.

I agree WR is overblown, but I won't be upset if they draft one. I'll just know the whole run game talk from Shotty was a McCarthy special, and look for Dak to air it out. Cowboys need Defense more than anything, but most ppl just want to prop up Dak. Dak had 2 cycles of fully loaded receiving weapons and wasted them, so as long as he's QB1 the Cowboys need a top tier run game and Defense.

 

[stilltheguru]

Agreed. WR wasn't a top need the last game of the season. Cowboys need to stop the run, y'all want to talk about if CeeDee hurt, what if Mazi gets hurt? What if Bland gets hurt? Those guys aren't even elite like CeeDee. Cowboys need a running game more than a WR2. Again, a TE can be a 2nd option in the passing game.

I agree WR is overblown, but I won't be upset if they draft one. I'll just know the whole run game talk from Shotty was a McCarthy special, and look for Dak to air it out. Cowboys need Defense more than anything, but most ppl just want to prop up Dak. Dak had 2 cycles of fully loaded receiving weapons and wasted them, so as long as he's QB1 the Cowboys need a top tier run game and Defense.

I keep trying to tell them this. Now if the d is on point and run game is on point but wr2 is lacking you do a mid-season trade. Dak, Stephen and ceedee wanted Cooper kupp so this explosive number 2 talk is cap. They are such a confused team as to how to build a team. First they want kupp then they want speed

That alone let's me know they need to pass on wr.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Agreed. WR wasn't a top need the last game of the season. Cowboys need to stop the run, y'all want to talk about if CeeDee hurt, what if Mazi gets hurt? What if Bland gets hurt? Those guys aren't even elite like CeeDee. Cowboys need a running game more than a WR2. Again, a TE can be a 2nd option in the passing game.

I agree WR is overblown, but I won't be upset if they draft one. I'll just know the whole run game talk from Shotty was a McCarthy special, and look for Dak to air it out. Cowboys need Defense more than anything, but most ppl just want to prop up Dak. Dak had 2 cycles of fully loaded receiving weapons and wasted them, so as long as he's QB1 the Cowboys need a top tier run game and Defense.

If Mazi gets hurt no one will notice because he already plays around backup level as is. You plug in the next man up and nothing with change about how the Cowboys go about things. You notice losing a guy like Lamb because the drop off from him to the next guy up is extremely large. If you're starting WRs are Tolbert/Mingo it changes the entire gameplan for both the Cowboys offensively and the opposing team defensively. This is part of the reason why it's crucial to add another skill player to add to the passing game.

Also don't think that adding a WR wont help the run game. The more you can challenge a defense in the pass game means they have to drop more resources into the secondary which makes your blocking assignments up front that much easier if you can stay ahead of the chains.

 

[Pass2Run]

I keep trying to tell them this. Now if the d is on point and run game is on point but wr2 is lacking you do a mid-season trade. Dak, Stephen and ceedee wanted Cooper kupp so this explosive number 2 talk is cap. They are such a confused team as to how to build a team. First they want kupp then they want speed

That alone let's me know they need to pass on wr.

If Golden and McMillan are both there, Jerral Wayne is taking McMillan.

I'd be surprised if Golden becomes a Cowboy. JMO

 

[thunderpimp91]

I keep trying to tell them this. Now if the d is on point and run game is on point but wr2 is lacking you do a mid-season trade. Dak, Stephen and ceedee wanted Cooper kupp so this explosive number 2 talk is cap. They are such a confused team as to how to build a team. First they want kupp then they want speed

That alone let's me know they need to pass on wr.

I'd be careful about defining explosive as speed. You've gotta put everything through the Jerry/Stephen filter to decode what they are saying. Schottenheimer wants a Cooper Kupp type. Hes not explosive vertically, but is explosive out of his routes to create separation from DBs. That better fits with what the Cowboys like to do offensively, especially with a lot of the bunched formations Schotty talks about.

 

[Pass2Run]

I keep trying to tell them this. Now if the d is on point and run game is on point but wr2 is lacking you do a mid-season trade. Dak, Stephen and ceedee wanted Cooper kupp so this explosive number 2 talk is cap. They are such a confused team as to how to build a team. First they want kupp then they want speed

That alone let's me know they need to pass on wr.

Don't forget. Lamb made it to 17 because teams wanted speed. Lamb didn't have enough, they said.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

WR is an overrated need for this team.

CeeDee locked in as number 1.

Yes we don’t have a proven number 2, but we have 4 other guys making the roster: Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo, Flournoy. We technically used our 4th for Mingo who should be number two territory at this point in his career.

Now, one of these guys can develop into the number 2 (not Turpin who is a dangerous weapon). I can see Tolbert, Mingo and/or Flournoy taking a big leap this year. But we already have 5 guys at WR the team wants to give snaps to. The team def views WR as a high need per the 30 visits, but this doesn’t sit right with me given the above. Plus I left off Jalen Brooks bc he’s been atrocious IMO.

To me, CB is the most pressing need on this roster and leads me to question why Jahdae Barron isn’t a bigger rumor for us at 12 than someone like Golden. Barron would be able to own the slot and play outside if needed + adding another playmaker to our defense which was abysmal last season. How can we trust Bland/Diggs to be healthy? At this point it’s more likely one will be injured.

Trenches is always a need so there’s also that angle.

Finally, an elite TE like Warren might make even more sense than a WR in how it could help the run & pass O.

Am I tripping, or is WR an overrated need and we’d be just as good or better off going trenches, DB, or TE?

No, it's not an overrated need. Yes we have Lamb and "others", but what happens like last year he gets hurt? Now what do you have? A bunch of no. 3's. Ain't winning a lot of games with that, even with a top TE or RB.

Though in one way, though, you are correct, but only because there are multiple needs, because it's a football TEAM, not a one-on-one competition like tennis, boxing, etc. You could have Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice and Calvin Johnson on your team but if your qb is flat on his back 2 seconds after he gets the snap, you still aren't winning a lot of games.

But one super WR isn't fixing this team, it's gonna take a lot more than that....

 

[Chasing6]

I agree with the premise but then you ruined it mentioning tight end. If we don't need wr2 then we don't need a tight end either.

We don't, but he would be the best player available.

 

[cnuball21]

Tolbert had a solid year last year.

Solid ain’t gonna cut it if we’re trying get over the hump.

 

[stilltheguru]

We don't, but he would be the best player available.

I don't think he'd be bpa. But I don't follow experts boards (neither do nfl teams)

 

[Mr_437]

If Mazi gets hurt no one will notice because he already plays around backup level as is. You plug in the next man up and nothing with change about how the Cowboys go about things. You notice losing a guy like Lamb because the drop off from him to the next guy up is extremely large. If you're starting WRs are Tolbert/Mingo it changes the entire gameplan for both the Cowboys offensively and the opposing team defensively. This is part of the reason why it's crucial to add another skill player to add to the passing game.

Also don't think that adding a WR wont help the run game. The more you can challenge a defense in the pass game means they have to drop more resources into the secondary which makes your blocking assignments up front that much easier if you can stay ahead of the chains.

Your wrong for talking about Mazi like that lol. If you have a primarily 2 read QB example: CeeDee, Ferg, then RB why would a DC worry about another WR? We've seen this with Amari, CeeDee n Gallup. It doesn't matter how many weapons Dak has. I'm well aware of the points your making, but as I said We've seen Dez, Bease, TWill get retired early by Dak, and Amari, CeeDee n Gallup came up empty. So, why would CeeDee plus Tet/Golden, and Tolbert be something to champion when Dak has had better groups?

In addition, Dak had better OLs and Zeke. I just don't see why anyone thinks a 3rd cycle of WRs is going to work.