WR2/4 - Resign our guys or bring in FA?

[ShiningStar]

So who is your #2 or #3 WR? While I suspect people might be overrating the #2 WR we need, some might be underrating how important a quality #2 is for us.

ok, who cares who our number 2 is right now. We have pieces on defense that we MUST take care of before other pieces that will see the field, yet after a few subtractions if need be.

Second, i dont even care who the 2nd is after Dez, Witten, EE, hopefully McFadden, and Beasley. Is our number 2 that important? A bigger problem than our number 2 is that our coaches dont utlize the pieces we have correctly now. Our coaches right now are the only coaches to look at a hot hand on the field and say "lets screw this up" So it might not even matter if you think you are upgrading the position, when you have zero faith in coaches to play the hot hand it wont matter whos on the field.
Did you enjoy teh parade thrown for having Witten start the games? Man i enjoyed it, totally beat a playoff victory in my mind. Before we even give the offense more, they should be put under stict practices to see if they can correct and prove they can utilize what we have. All of this is after we put new pieces on defense praying Rod will get after the qbs.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

ok, who cares who our number 2 is right now. We have pieces on defense that we MUST take care of before other pieces that will see the field, yet after a few subtractions if need be.

Second, i dont even care who the 2nd is after Dez, Witten, EE, hopefully McFadden, and Beasley. Is our number 2 that important? A bigger problem than our number 2 is that our coaches dont utlize the pieces we have correctly now. Our coaches right now are the only coaches to look at a hot hand on the field and say "lets screw this up" So it might not even matter if you think you are upgrading the position, when you have zero faith in coaches to play the hot hand it wont matter whos on the field.
Did you enjoy teh parade thrown for having Witten start the games? Man i enjoyed it, totally beat a playoff victory in my mind. Before we even give the offense more, they should be put under stict practices to see if they can correct and prove they can utilize what we have. All of this is after we put new pieces on defense praying Rod will get after the qbs.

If we can upgrade the position for around the same money we are talking about resigning TWill for, why wouldn't we look into it.

We should be looking at every option to upgrade this team, by any means necessary and at any position.

 

[BlueNSilver88]

I would like to keep T-Will on a reasonable K for both parties because I appreciate that T-Will steps up in the playoffs.

 

[Nightman]

TWill would have to take less than 5m to be considered and I don't see that
Butler would be a 2m a year guy

I wanted CPatterson as WR4/KR but not at 7m....more like 3m

I would sign Butler and draft a WR in a very deep draft

 

[ShiningStar]

If we can upgrade the position for around the same money we are talking about resigning TWill for, why wouldn't we look into it.

We should be looking at every option to upgrade this team, by any means necessary and at any position.

Define upgrade? if you go by pure stats, T WIll ranks up there. If you break down to just certain stats, how are you getting an upgrade? What is going to determine an upgrade? System, qb numbers targeted?

Second, agian if your coaches dont use it properly, why bother. You can give them 5 stud pieces, and if the defense still fails or they cant execute the offense to operate at peak performance, you re just spending money just for the fun of it.

Im not needing to upgrade every position because lets face it, thats fantasy. Again im not going to unseat T will because i "think" someone is better. and as i stated giving our coaches another piece , even if it might be better doesnt not mean its going to help us out of the gate.

Beating on infreror teams, we can do that with the team we have now. Tweaking the team to operate better and upgrading our defense is top priority, T Will is not a problem that needs upgrading by a long shot.

 

[Sydla]

ok, who cares who our number 2 is right now. We have pieces on defense that we MUST take care of before other pieces that will see the field, yet after a few subtractions if need be.

Second, i dont even care who the 2nd is after Dez, Witten, EE, hopefully McFadden, and Beasley. Is our number 2 that important? A bigger problem than our number 2 is that our coaches dont utlize the pieces we have correctly now. Our coaches right now are the only coaches to look at a hot hand on the field and say "lets screw this up" So it might not even matter if you think you are upgrading the position, when you have zero faith in coaches to play the hot hand it wont matter whos on the field.
Did you enjoy teh parade thrown for having Witten start the games? Man i enjoyed it, totally beat a playoff victory in my mind. Before we even give the offense more, they should be put under stict practices to see if they can correct and prove they can utilize what we have. All of this is after we put new pieces on defense praying Rod will get after the qbs.

This thinking is so bizarre to me - the whole "we only have to focus on one side of the ball!" logic.

Guess what? Our offense wasn't elite either. It certainly can use some upgrades. Sure, the defense is the bigger problem but this idea that you can't spend a penny on improving the offense and instead have to plow all resources into the defense is misguided IMO.

 

[Sydla]

TWill would have to take less than 5m to be considered and I don't see that
Butler would be a 2m a year guy

I wanted CPatterson as WR4/KR but not at 7m....more like 3m

I would sign Butler and draft a WR in a very deep draft

Some of these WR deals from Spotrac look out of whack. Like I can't see anyone paying Floyd almost $9MM a year either. And Butler is going to get $6MM a year? Mohammed Sanu's cap hit runs in the $7MM range and he was way more accomplished than Butler.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Define upgrade? if you go by pure stats, T WIll ranks up there. If you break down to just certain stats, how are you getting an upgrade? What is going to determine an upgrade? System, qb numbers targeted?

Second, agian if your coaches dont use it properly, why bother. You can give them 5 stud pieces, and if the defense still fails or they cant execute the offense to operate at peak performance, you re just spending money just for the fun of it.

Im not needing to upgrade every position because lets face it, thats fantasy. Again im not going to unseat T will because i "think" someone is better. and as i stated giving our coaches another piece , even if it might be better doesnt not mean its going to help us out of the gate.

Beating on infreror teams, we can do that with the team we have now. Tweaking the team to operate better and upgrading our defense is top priority, T Will is not a problem that needs upgrading by a long shot.

We need speed, something TWill doesn't bring.

Better is relative to fit and what we need. I don't mind bringing TWill back, but I would look to the end of the earth for speed. Dak isn't Brady (think this is something people need to realize), we have to have talent in our WR corps to allow Dak to be successful.

If we can get someone that brings a different dimension than TWill can for around the same price, I'm all for it.

 

[Nightman]

Some of these WR deals from Spotrac look out of whack. Like I can't see anyone paying Floyd almost $9MM a year either. And Butler is going to get $6MM a year? Mohammed Sanu's cap hit runs in the $7MM range and he was way more accomplished than Butler.

Exactly.....maybe .09m for Floyd or was it .213 BAC

 

[Sydla]

If you can get Kenny Stills for less than $7MM and that's what Williams would get, it's a no brainer IMO to make the switch.

 

[ShiningStar]

We need speed, something TWill doesn't bring.

Better is relative to fit and what we need. I don't mind bringing TWill back, but I would look to the end of the earth for speed. Dak isn't Brady (think this is something people need to realize), we have to have talent in our WR corps to allow Dak to be successful.

If we can get someone that brings a different dimension than TWill can for around the same price, I'm all for it.

What if he has speed but he cant catch as well? Do you still want that? I will keep taking T Will because hes reliable. Hes knows hes not a number 1 but he can make a good living be a solid number 2. Dont give me speed if the guy cant catch and no way is a number 1 going to take number 2 money to fulfil your dreams. Its not happening and i dont see Dallas drafting WR's like the Giants can. They just draft and get use out of them. We draft and pray.

 

[ShiningStar]

If you can get Kenny Stills for less than $7MM and that's what Williams would get, it's a no brainer IMO to make the switch.

If is the biggest smallest word in the dictionary.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

What if he has speed but he cant catch as well? Do you still want that? I will keep taking T Will because hes reliable. Hes knows hes not a number 1 but he can make a good living be a solid number 2. Dont give me speed if the guy cant catch and no way is a number 1 going to take number 2 money to fulfil your dreams. Its not happening and i dont see Dallas drafting WR's like the Giants can. They just draft and get use out of them. We draft and pray.

If I could get MWallace or even DJax for around the same money as TWill, I would take it.

Its seems you forget how TWill likes to body catch, but those guys can catch also. I want another dimension for our offense, and we have noone who can stretch the field from any position.

 

[Sydla]

If is the biggest smallest word in the dictionary.

LOL.

Are you related to Williams?

 

[xwalker]

Terrance Williams - 6'2 210 lbs 4.5 40yd Market Value estimated 8.2m/per former 3rd rounder
Brice Butler - 6'3 205 lbs 4.36 40 yd Market Value estimated 6m/per former 7th rounder

I used this site for values, if they are off please chime in.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

So if the prices of these two players are too rich for Jerry's taste based on upside and production, here are some intriguing options. All are big fast guys and some are former first round guys, a trait Dallas seems to covet.

Brandon Lafell 6'2 210 4.5 40yd Market Value estimated 6.6 m/per.
Lafell is older player but is very productive. Former 3rd rounder.

Michael Floyd - 6'3 220 4.47 40yd Market Value estimated 8.8m/per
If you could sign Floyd for the same money as Twill, I would say Floyd has more upside. Few years younger than Lafell. Former first rounder. Doubtful NE pays him big bucks. Very shrewd negotiators.

Kenny Britt - 6'3 223 4.5 40yd Market Value estimated 6.7m/per
Britt has always been a productive pro on bad teams. About the same age as Floyd. Former first rounder.

Cordarelle Patterson - 6'2 220 4.42 40yd Market Value estimated 7m/per
Former 1st rounder. Patterson could be intriguing for his return ability, and another guy who is just on a bad offense. His stats have declined the last few years, but maybe due to the offense and the emergence of Thielen and Diggs.

I don't see any possibility that Butler get 6M per. I doubt he gets more than 2M per.

Patterson is not worth 7M per. He has struggled to learn the scheme and to run good routes in MN. He recently said he would like to play RB.

TWill is the safest option. They know their offense functions well with him in it. I expect him to get a Sanu type contract (5-years, 32M) which was 6.4M per.

Floyd is a risk but might have more upside than TWill. They won't sign both so if Floyd didn't work out, they would have big problems unless a draft pick steps up to fill the void.

If Dez was more reliable and if Witten was not on his last legs, I wouldn't be as concerned, but the last thing the Cowboys need is problems with the receivers not running good routes or functioning well within the scheme considering that Dak is a young QB.

I don't love the idea of being stuck with TWill but I also don't like the risk of going without a proven option at the #2 outside WR position.

They definitely need to sign a veteran even if it's not TWill AND draft a WR.

 

[bodi]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

 

[DeaconMoss]

I don't see any possibility that Butler get 6M per. I doubt he gets more than 2M per.

Patterson is not worth 7M per. He has struggled to learn the scheme and to run good routes in MN. He recently said he would like to play RB.

TWill is the safest option. They know their offense functions well with him in it. I expect him to get a Sanu type contract (5-years, 32M) which was 6.4M per.

Floyd is a risk but might have more upside than TWill. They won't sign both so if Floyd didn't work out, they would have big problems unless a draft pick steps up to fill the void.

If Dez was more reliable and if Witten was not on his last legs, I wouldn't be as concerned, but the last thing the Cowboys need is problems with the receivers not running good routes or functioning well within the scheme considering that Dak is a young QB.

I don't love the idea of being stuck with TWill but I also don't like the risk of going without a proven option at the #2 outside WR position.

They definitely need to sign a veteran even if it's not TWill AND draft a WR.

Totally agree. Some folks on her are forgetting things about TWill. He has made some mistakes on the field in crucial situations. He also is a body catcher. He is not a field stretcher. He has made some unbelievable sideline catches and has not been in trouble. For me anything over 6m per is too rich for his services

Twill probably gets a Marvin Jones contract or close to it. Both are 700-900 yard guys. And that puts him out of our range I think. Butler we can probably get for 2M per. So we may have to keep him for the value and his long speed. Sign a guy like Patterson for the cash they wanted to pay TW 4-5 m per, and draft a guy to groom as the #2.
Lucky's cap hit is nothing and we would be upgrading that position with the best KR in the NFL and would be a stud on the sweep.

Id be happy with DEZ, Beas, CP, Butler and a mid round draft guy.

 

[DeaconMoss]

TWill would have to take less than 5m to be considered and I don't see that
Butler would be a 2m a year guy

I wanted CPatterson as WR4/KR but not at 7m....more like 3m

I would sign Butler and draft a WR in a very deep draft

Great post.

 

[Sydla]

I would like Stills but if they aren't going to put some money into the WR position, I could be persuaded to throw a low offer at Ginn. Yeah, he's certainly not a great WR but he provides some outside speed and can return kicks.

A WR corp or Dez, Ginn, Beasely, Butler and a rookie should be more than fine.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Define upgrade? if you go by pure stats, T WIll ranks up there. If you break down to just certain stats, how are you getting an upgrade? What is going to determine an upgrade? System, qb numbers targeted? T Will is not a problem that needs upgrading by a long shot.

Thats the main point. TWill has nice stats, and will warrant a payday that we cant afford. I agree TWill is not a problem, the problem is he is a FA, and he will get more money elsewhere.
Plus we can possibly get an upgrade in talent, because of his body catching, and questionable on field decision making.
We have to look for options.