WT: Snyder Willing To Modify Position On Revenue

Yakuza Rich

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RiggoForever said:
I don't know if this will make a difference, but if true it looks like Snyder will be sacrificing a good bit out of his pocket if this gets done.

http://washtimes.com/sports/20060301-124728-8622r.htm

It really sounds to me that Snyder sees the Skins in deep crap if the CBA doesn't get extended.

My roommate is a banker and reads financial mags all of the time. He was telling me that Snyder's ownership on the Commanders is incredibly leveraged to the tilt, so he really needs for the Skins to do great in attendance every year and that's why he's been very adamant about restructureing the revenue agreement with the small market owners.

By Snyder willing to modify his stance on revenue sharing, it shows me that he knows that the Skins will be screwed in 2006 and if they somehow come to a CBA extension in say, September, the organization could be in deep trouble for the next few years.

And while the Skins fans are as diehard as they come, putting forth a bunch of crappy seasons together in a row while doing it under Gibbs second time around (with Gibbs getting caught in Snyder's mess) could really hurt business. And while I think it would be a longshot, it could force Snyder to sell the team to somebody else.

Again, I'm just getting this from my roommate and I don't know if he's accurate or if the report he got was accurate, but I have a hard time believing that Snyder would modify his stance if he knew he would only have one bad year out of the deal.

What could be ironic is that if Snyder had the opposite stance on revenue sharing all along, the other big market owners could have viewed the revenue differently as well as the owner of the most valuable team would have been sticking up for the small market owners. And most likely, an opposite stance on revenue sharing by Snyder could have very likely avoided this possible mess for him and the Skins.


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Yakuza Rich said:
It really sounds to me that Snyder sees the Skins in deep crap if the CBA doesn't get extended.

My roommate is a banker and reads financial mags all of the time. He was telling me that Snyder's ownership on the Commanders is incredibly leveraged to the tilt, so he really needs for the Skins to do great in attendance every year and that's why he's been very adamant about restructureing the revenue agreement with the small market owners.

By Snyder willing to modify his stance on revenue sharing, it shows me that he knows that the Skins will be screwed in 2006 and if they somehow come to a CBA extension in say, September, the organization could be in deep trouble for the next few years.

And while the Skins fans are as diehard as they come, putting forth a bunch of crappy seasons together in a row while doing it under Gibbs second time around (with Gibbs getting caught in Snyder's mess) could really hurt business. And while I think it would be a longshot, it could force Snyder to sell the team to somebody else.

Again, I'm just getting this from my roommate and I don't know if he's accurate or if the report he got was accurate, but I have a hard time believing that Snyder would modify his stance if he knew he would only have one bad year out of the deal.

What could be ironic is that if Snyder had the opposite stance on revenue sharing all along, the other big market owners could have viewed the revenue differently as well as the owner of the most valuable team would have been sticking up for the small market owners. And most likely, an opposite stance on revenue sharing by Snyder could have very likely avoided this possible mess for him and the Skins.


Rich...........


I imagine the other rich owners would insist that Snyder throw more of the money into revenue sharing, since he has more to lose then say Jerry Jones.

Maybe Jones cooperates as well for agreements to have an SB in Dallas as well as more funding for his new stadium.

I don't think any of these guys are going to give something for nothing. At this point in the game, I think they are going to make Snyder and Bowlen step up to the plate.

I do think that if the rich owners are going to sacrfice more money, in the future they should have more say in owner talks, and be able to veto measures from other teams that are only taking from the pot.
 

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Well, I think it would be a sad day for Cowboys fans if Snyder ever sold the team. Since his ownership, they've won ONE playoff game. His best decision IMHO was hiring Gregg Williams to be the D-Coordinator as while the offense got better this season, their defense still carried the team (IMHO).

Snyder's blunders far outweigh his good decisions.

Rich........
 

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Yakuza Rich said:
Well, I think it would be a sad day for Cowboys fans if Snyder ever sold the team. Since his ownership, they've won ONE playoff game. His best decision IMHO was hiring Gregg Williams to be the D-Coordinator as while the offense got better this season, their defense still carried the team (IMHO).

Snyder's blunders far outweigh his good decisions.

Rich........

Actually 2. We won the 1999 wild card game against the Lions in his first year as owner, thought admittedly he had nothing to do with the construction of that team.
 

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If Snyder changes his position that should be enough to get the deal done. He was one of the 9 owners holding out on the revenue sharing issues and it was taking all 9 to block the vote. It takes 24 votes to pass the revenue sharing proposal and they already had 23 votes lined up. I guess Jerrah, McNair and the other 6 "big market" owners will have to see them in court because they swore they would sue if it passed.
 

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Yakuza Rich said:
Well, I think it would be a sad day for Cowboys fans if Snyder ever sold the team. Since his ownership, they've won ONE playoff game. His best decision IMHO was hiring Gregg Williams to be the D-Coordinator as while the offense got better this season, their defense still carried the team (IMHO).

Snyder's blunders far outweigh his good decisions.

Rich........

Plus his record against the Cowboys is near and dear to my heart...

What is it... 3-15?
 

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trickblue said:
Plus his record against the Cowboys is near and dear to my heart...

What is it... 3-15?


1999: 0-2
2000: 0-2
2001: 0-2
2002: 1-1
2003: 0-2
2004: 0-2
2005: 2-0

3-11
 

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My roommate reads In Touch magazine and says that Tom Cruise...... :)
 

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RiggoForever said:
1999: 0-2
2000: 0-2
2001: 0-2
2002: 1-1
2003: 0-2
2004: 0-2
2005: 2-0

3-11

I was counting the losses when the streak started...

Still a beautiful thing... ;)
 

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Some folks said "Upshaw is an idiot" over this. Looks like he knew that a couple of owners likely saw their teams as close to a SB and would cave. BTW -- I think it will come out that both Danny and Jerry changed positions here. Both know that in the long run a little more revenue sharing is far better for them financially than the alternative.
 

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abersonc said:
Some folks said "Upshaw is an idiot" over this. Looks like he knew that a couple of owners likely saw their teams as close to a SB and would cave. BTW -- I think it will come out that both Danny and Jerry changed positions here. Both know that in the long run a little more revenue sharing is far better for them financially than the alternative.

Jones doesn't have much to lose. His team is fine under the cap for this year and if they go to an uncapped year, he can compete money wise with any other owner in the league. He's being greedy (as the other owners are), but he's in a position where he pretty much can't lose. He's going to make money and be more than fine, it's just a matter of how well he comes out of it.

OTOH, Snyder has a lot to lose. Chances are his roster gets obliterated this season and if they reach an extension agreement later in the year, he could be killed for the next couple of years......a chance that he doesn't want to take.

Like I said before, Snyder had a ton of reasons for wanting to be on the forefront of the revenue sharing issue. I don't see him changing his stance over the possibility of having one poor season. Chances are he knows that there are bigger consequences involved for him and the team.


Rich.........
 

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I thought, from reading the articles today that the sticking point was the players share of revenues, not revenue sharing amongst the owners. That sounds like that part has been agreed to.
 

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aikemirv said:
I thought, from reading the articles today that the sticking point was the players share of revenues, not revenue sharing amongst the owners. That sounds like that part has been agreed to.

It's both. NFLPA wants Revenue Sharing among teams increased. That means more $$ in the pool and more $$ for the players.
 

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Ok, this is my conspiracy theory for today. I think Jerruh knows full well how much doo-doo Snyder is in & is perfectly happy to hold up the CBA. Think about it--the Boys are in good cap shape for this year, while the skins will be dead & have to cut a LOT of players. Then, for next year (uncapped), Jerruh can go dollar for dollar with the Boy Blunder in spending. And, as the original poster mentioned, Little Napoleon leveraged a lot to buy Six Flags, plus he fancies himself creating a recording company which will also take $$$--so he really needs the team to be successful. (Personally, I'm still betting he wants to sell the team, which would add a crimp to him spending big money in an uncapped year. What potential owner would want to buy a team with lots of expensive players?)

Currently, the Eagles are in good shape under the cap--so this year would be really good for them. BUT, they're not a team that would spend big in an uncapped year. Lurie just won't do that, nor can that market really support big spending. Ditto for the Pats--Kraft bought that team specifically because of the CBA knowing he could make pots of money by not having to pay players. The Vikes? Good shape this year, but not a big-enough market to support big spending should the cap go away. Throw Seattle, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Indy, KC, & a slew of other teams into the boat of not being in markets that can support huge spending should the cap disappear.

So I'm wondering if Jerruh isn't sitting back & chuckling a bit over the whole situation. And if he isn't quietly do as much as he can to NOT get an extension to the CBA. Realistically, if the scenarios being floated play out (uncapped in 2007, & the NFLPA then refuses to ever allow a cap again), the only teams I really see making out over the long run would be...the Boys, Giants, Oakland (maybe), & the Pats (maybe, if Kraft is willing to open his pocketbook).

As I said, just my opinion for the day!
 

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Kittymama said:
As I said, just my opinion for the day!

I completely agree. I want to see a cap and I'm not the greedy type, but if I was a consultant for Jerry I'd have to tell that he'd be almost stupid to not try to prevent the CBA from being extended.

His best bet is to still get it extended afterwards because that would really hurt the Skins and he wouldn't have to worry about them and the Giants having equal opportunity to compete in an uncapped league.


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Yakuza Rich said:
I completely agree. I want to see a cap and I'm not the greedy type, but if I was a consultant for Jerry I'd have to tell that he'd be almost stupid to not try to prevent the CBA from being extended.

His best bet is to still get it extended afterwards because that would really hurt the Skins and he wouldn't have to worry about them and the Giants having equal opportunity to compete in an uncapped league.


Rich.........

But if its not extended now, the union will decertify and there will be no future extension.
 

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Ok, this is my conspiracy theory for today. I think Jerruh knows full well how much doo-doo Snyder is in & is perfectly happy to hold up the CBA. Think about it--the Boys are in good cap shape for this year, while the skins will be dead & have to cut a LOT of players. Then, for next year (uncapped), Jerruh can go dollar for dollar with the Boy Blunder in spending. And, as the original poster mentioned, Little Napoleon leveraged a lot to buy Six Flags, plus he fancies himself creating a recording company which will also take $$$--so he really needs the team to be successful. (Personally, I'm still betting he wants to sell the team, which would add a crimp to him spending big money in an uncapped year. What potential owner would want to buy a team with lots of expensive players?)

Currently, the Eagles are in good shape under the cap--so this year would be really good for them. BUT, they're not a team that would spend big in an uncapped year. Lurie just won't do that, nor can that market really support big spending. Ditto for the Pats--Kraft bought that team specifically because of the CBA knowing he could make pots of money by not having to pay players. The Vikes? Good shape this year, but not a big-enough market to support big spending should the cap go away. Throw Seattle, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Indy, KC, & a slew of other teams into the boat of not being in markets that can support huge spending should the cap disappear.

So I'm wondering if Jerruh isn't sitting back & chuckling a bit over the whole situation. And if he isn't quietly do as much as he can to NOT get an extension to the CBA. Realistically, if the scenarios being floated play out (uncapped in 2007, & the NFLPA then refuses to ever allow a cap again), the only teams I really see making out over the long run would be...the Boys, Giants, Oakland (maybe), & the Pats (maybe, if Kraft is willing to open his pocketbook).

As I said, just my opinion for the day!

That's the first thing that crossed my mind...

If that is the case, and it does happen... can you IMAGINE the extreme hate that will fuel the fire of this rivalry...
 
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