X-Men Apocalypse (Possible Spoilers)

[TheCount]

Figured I'd add the spoilers tag even if I don't plan to spoil anything just yet.

For those that have seen it, what did you guys think?

I thought it was worse than Batman vs Superman, personally - and I grew up on X-Men, it's my favorite comic book franchise.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Have heard by some friends that it might be the worst of X-Men movies.

I have liked most of them but I have also always felt they lacked something compared to the comics. Like they were always just missing on some things.
Maybe where they are constantly moving around characters and so on and not sticking to one core group.

I was kind of shocked how they introduced Gambit and just seemed to go away from him. He was one of the bigger fan favorites from the comics.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Have heard by some friends that it might be the worst of X-Men movies.

I have liked most of them but I have also always felt they lacked something compared to the comics. Like they were always just missing on some things.
Maybe where they are constantly moving around characters and so on and not sticking to one core group.

I was kind of shocked how they introduced Gambit and just seemed to go away from him. He was one of the bigger fan favorites from the comics.

I haven't see it yet, but I heard they really dropped the ball with apocalypse. Poor character development

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Have heard by some friends that it might be the worst of X-Men movies.

I have liked most of them but I have also always felt they lacked something compared to the comics. Like they were always just missing on some things.
Maybe where they are constantly moving around characters and so on and not sticking to one core group.

I was kind of shocked how they introduced Gambit and just seemed to go away from him. He was one of the bigger fan favorites from the comics.

The movie wasn't perfect but I did like it. I agree however that there was 'something' missing to make x-Men as good as it should be. Not sure how I feel about the lack of a 'core' group, but I understand where you're coming from. When was gambit introduced? I must of missed it.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The movie wasn't perfect but I did like it. I agree however that there was 'something' missing to make x-Men as good as it should be. Not sure how I feel about the lack of a 'core' group, but I understand where you're coming from. When was gambit introduced? I must of missed it.

In the X Men Origins Wolverine.

 

[DallasEast]

Why I have this feeling Admiral Ackbar is screaming three words at me right now?

This was Bryan Singer's best X-Men film in my opinion, although not the best of the franchise from my perspective. I give that distinction to X-Men: First Class--which, not surprisingly, wasn't directed by Singer. He tends to handcuff his characters' abilities in his movies and make them seem blander than they are. I said the same thing for his Kal-El in Superman Returns (except for the kryptonite island lifting thing--which was a paradox in and of itself).

Apocalypse could have been portrayed more accurately but the same could be said of Jean. A fight between two omega mutants like those two could have been epic without anyone else intervening. I know Archangel was one of the classic Four Horsemen from the books but he was shortchanged the most during the movie. Admittedly, it's petty of me but the whole Ororo's hair turning white scene still pisses me off.

Singer did right by Wolverine in Hugh Jackman's cameo in the Weapon X scenes. Obviously he has tons of respect for Jackman in his movies. He got Quicksilver down pat also (the explosion scene and the dog was hilarious). I just wish he would equally do the same for all his characters throughout the movie. I really liked the Michael Fassbender scenes of him trying to escape his past and have a family. Magneto's a tragic character and Singer re-emphasizes his world really well.

Overall, I had more likes than dislikes for the movie. I wouldn't mind if Matthew Vaughan gets a shot at directing another sequel for the franchise--especially if one references the Dark Phoenix saga.

 

[TheCount]

This was Bryan Singer's best X-Men film in my opinion, although not the best of the franchise from my perspective.

I wish I liked Singer more, but I think he's pretty tone deaf and I'm not even sure what his forte is.

At least Zach Snyder can make a pretty movie with quality action scenes. I still have yet to see an X-Men fight scene that is half as good as the Batman fight scene in Batman vs Superman.

 

[Kevinicus]

I thought it was the worst in the franchise not counting the Origins.

 

[Dodger12]

Just saw the movie and I have to say I really enjoyed it. I went in with very little expectations after having read some of the reviews but I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. The audience even clapped at the end of the film.

I will say that the one thing really dislike about these films is how they throw the time line completely out of whack. It just doesn't allow for a whole lot of continuity and character development from film to film. And I completely agree with @DallasEast in that so much more could have been done with Jean Grey and Apocalypse. His backstory could have been played out and developed a bit more (well, a whole lot more) and I thought that took away from the character. Apocalypse was an OK villain but they could have done so much more.

Overall, I thought it was a good film and worth the money and my teenage kids agreed as well. I almost didn't go see it because I despised Batman vs Superman so much that I laid off the comic movies. B vs S was just that freaking bad. I couldn't even tell you the first thing about that movie because I just wiped it from my memory.

 

[cml750]

Why I have this feeling Admiral Ackbar is screaming three words at me right now?

This was Bryan Singer's best X-Men film in my opinion, although not the best of the franchise from my perspective. I give that distinction to X-Men: First Class--which, not surprisingly, wasn't directed by Singer. He tends to handcuff his characters' abilities in his movies and make them seem blander than they are. I said the same thing for his Kal-El in Superman Returns (except for the kryptonite island lifting thing--which was a paradox in and of itself).

Apocalypse could have been portrayed more accurately but the same could be said of Jean. A fight between two omega mutants like those two could have been epic without anyone else intervening. I know Archangel was one of the classic Four Horsemen from the books but he was shortchanged the most during the movie. Admittedly, it's petty of me but the whole Ororo's hair turning white scene still pisses me off.

Singer did right by Wolverine in Hugh Jackman's cameo in the Weapon X scenes. Obviously he has tons of respect for Jackman in his movies. He got Quicksilver down pat also (the explosion scene and the dog was hilarious). I just wish he would equally do the same for all his characters throughout the movie. I really liked the Michael Fassbender scenes of him trying to escape his past and have a family. Magneto's a tragic character and Singer re-emphasizes his world really well.

Overall, I had more likes than dislikes for the movie. I wouldn't mind if Matthew Vaughan gets a shot at directing another sequel for the franchise--especially if one references the Dark Phoenix saga.

Agree with everything you said. I am not quite sure why some people dislike this movie so much. Sure it could have been better but it was actually pretty good.

 

[JoeKing]

I saw that there is some controversy over an outdoor ad for X-Men: Apocalypse that depicted a violent act against a woman. 20th Century Fox has issued an apology for the ad.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2016/06...apology-over-controversial-x-men-apocalypse-/

 

[joseephuss]

He got Quicksilver down pat also (the explosion scene and the dog was hilarious). .

He overpowered Quicksilver. That character isn't that fast in the comics.

 

[DallasEast]

He overpowered Quicksilver. That character isn't that fast in the comics.

Admittedly, my recollection could be off. I stopped buying comics full-time many years ago. He was never quite on The Flash's super speed tier but his Marvel page does show he's pretty darn fast:

http://marvel.com/universe/Quicksilver

I'm no physicist but I think an individual could beat out an explosion like the one in the movie dealing with the mansion if he or she could run five/six or more times faster than the speed of sound. I remember him being that fast in the comics but I could be totally wrong.

SPOILER ALERT

I wish he had been fast enough to save Alex.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Apocalypse could have been portrayed more accurately but the same could be said of Jean. A fight between two omega mutants like those two could have been epic without anyone else intervening.

This was one thing I hated about last stand and am dsappointed if they brought that back. Jean is not the phoenix force and thus not an omega level mutant. When the phoenix force posses her, her powers are advanced far beyond and omega level mutant. She's on a cosmic level at that point and Apocalypse, who I also don't think is an omega level mutant would be no match for her.

Fwiw, I assumed Magneto would kill Apocalypse, like he did in this particular story ine in the comics.

 

[DallasEast]

This was one thing I hated about last stand and am dsappointed if they brought that back. Jean is not the phoenix force and thus not an omega level mutant. When the phoenix force posses her, her powers are advanced far beyond and omega level mutant. She's on a cosmic level at that point and Apocalypse, who I also don't think is an omega level mutant would be no match for her.

Fwiw, I assumed Magneto would kill Apocalypse, like he did in this particular story ine in the comics.

I disliked X-Men:Last Stand for similar dissimilar reasons. I disliked that they portrayed Jean as the Phoenix in a movie that didn't combine her and the cosmic entity physically and psionically. The end of X2 hinted at the debut of the Dark Phoenix with what I hoped was either the entity RISING from the bottom of the lake or the reflection of the entity on the water DESCENDING to rescue Jean's body. It was her mutant power which initially attracted the Phoenix to Jean. I thought 20th Century Fox and the franchise would actually tackle the legendary storyline (what was I thinking? ) Overall though, I didn't have an issue with the movie showcasing her powers--only that it did so weakly and it a cheezy way (along with how other characters were portrayed too).

The reason why I say that is because the pre-Dark Phoenix Jean was an omega mutant in my opinion. Even Professor Xavier recognized her untapped power potential when she was still an adolescent and implanted psychic barriers in her mind hoping to constrain them indefinitely. At least that is what I remember of the story from the late 70's/early 80's. It's individuals, who couldn't be (easily) classified as either alpha, beta or gamma, who were tagged as omega. Apocalypse had previously uncharted power levels also.

I do remember Magneto killing Apocalypse at the conclusion of the Age of Apocalypse storyline as well. The final battle between the two of them was an accumulation of planned attacks by Magneto's X-Men and fortuitous setbacks suffered by Apocalypse's forces, which ultimately aided Magneto's endgame.

I did some googling. Which mutants do you classify as omega?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I disliked X-Men:Last Stand for similar dissimilar reasons. I disliked that they portrayed Jean as the Phoenix in a movie that didn't combine her and the cosmic entity physically and psionically. The end of X2 hinted at the debut of the Dark Phoenix with what I hoped was either the entity RISING from the bottom of the lake or the reflection of the entity on the water DESCENDING to rescue Jean's body. It was her mutant power which initially attracted the Phoenix to Jean. I thought 20th Century Fox and the franchise would actually tackle the legendary storyline (what was I thinking? ) Overall though, I didn't have an issue with the movie showcasing her powers--only that it did so weakly and it a cheezy way (along with how other characters were portrayed too).

The reason why I say that is because the pre-Dark Phoenix Jean was an omega mutant in my opinion. Even Professor Xavier recognized her untapped power potential when she was still an adolescent and implanted psychic barriers in her mind hoping to constrain them indefinitely. At least that is what I remember of the story from the late 70's/early 80's. It's individuals, who couldn't be (easily) classified as either alpha, beta or gamma, who were tagged as omega. Apocalypse had previously uncharted power levels also.

I do remember Magneto killing Apocalypse at the conclusion of the Age of Apocalypse storyline as well. The final battle between the two of them was an accumulation of planned attacks by Magneto's X-Men and fortuitous setbacks suffered by Apocalypse's forces, which ultimately aided Magneto's endgame.

I did some googling. Which mutants do you classify as omega?

Franklin Richards, although I've also read he is beyond Omega.

Ice-man, although he only reached that level while being controlled/possessed by Emma Frost

Vulcan, Cyclops/Havocs third brother.

Gambit, an alternate version of him, who did not have surgery performed on him by Mr. Sinister to weaken his powers.

Legion

Nate Grey

Onslaught

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He overpowered Quicksilver. That character isn't that fast in the comics.

Yea, Quick Silver is speed of sound fast.

For comparisons sake, The Flash is speed of light fast (faster actually)

 

[Stash]

I didn't think it was a terrible film, just not a good one either. A few scenes like the Quicksilver and Weapon X moments were nice. The ridiculousness levels they've now taken the mutant powers too was just too much for me. While Marvel Studios goes for the 'less is more' route, this film just jumped the shark. From Megnto affected the entire planet to Apocalypse having whatever powers he needed at the time, to Dark Phoenix 'just because', this X-Men Universe needs a restart and a new face behind the controls.

Or better yet, sell the thing back to Marvel so it can finally be done right.

6 out of 10.

 

[iceberg]

it was average and entertaining. it's funny to watch them do thinks like jean gray / phoenix when in the comics it went from being jean gray to an alien and she (jean) was frozen and trapped in a space ship at the bottom of the sea.

the entire phoenix saga could have been so much more but they've yet to do it justice. it was ok but not something i'll watch again unless nothing else is on.

 

[Teren_Kanan]

Was plenty to enjoy in the movie, but overall just not really good.

Apocalypse himself was pretty bland.. not much character there at all. No real explanation of what his powers are, or what their limitations are. Just didn't work for me.

Storm/Angel/Psylock all basically had no character or character arc. They were just there to be there, and in the process, their overall characters are damaged. Apocalypse wasn't mind controlling them or anything.. he just gave them more power. They were all individually ok with basically wiping out humanity? Yep, definitely sounds like storm to me !

I love Magneto's character. But he's still being portrayed as this sympathetic.. anti-hero? The guy straight up murdered thousands of people in this movie and it's like everyone is just ok with that in the end. He potentially killed more people than Apocalypse in the movie. I found the death of his family via accidental bow and arrow double kill kind of sloppy/silly though.

Charles was fine. Love his character also.

I liked the new cast well enough, no real complaints. Quicksilver is broken and I feel like any future movies with him in it are essentially bottlenecked into finding somewhere else for him to be, or nerfing his power set in some manner. I liked Jean/Cyclops and I'm both happy and surprised they didn't push some romance plot with those two very hard.

Mistique. Not a huge fan of her character really. Just really glad she wasn't forced into the movie more often than she was 'cause of fame. She's kind of a bland character and her "arc" finished in DOFP so there's no real progression there.

Wolverine Cameo was neat. Guy's a beast.

Funny Bits.

I couldn't help but laugh as Apocalypse magically created outfits for all his horsemen. I giggle trying to imagine his thought process during it. Like he took time carefully creating a design to use, material he wanted, make them all sort of match until he got to Psylock and basically just went.. well.. you .. you will look like a ninja slut. Also Angel lemme give ya some sweet facial tats bro. Did Apoc really have to be the designer (Via mutant powers, no less) of their outfits? Also, Storms white hair? Please.

Matching flight suits that all fit perfectly, and are kept in some futuristic (in the 1980's) closet out in the open right next to the futuristic plane.