Yahoo: Goodell, NFL in fight to save public image as Rice scandal deepens

[Rogah]

What is there to be guilty of? Laws aren't being broken here by the NFL. There is an actual legal system in place that is getting virtually no attention about their role in the hand-slap of Ray Rice. Under Goodell, 56 domestic violence reports amounted to a mere 13 games suspended. 2 games was the longest anyone ever got.

This video "investigation" is a clown show. the league was always soft on this stuff. Nobody cared until now. I'm just wondering how long the pitchforks stay burning at NFL headquarters while the courts keep slapping wrists.

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 That is what I have been saying all along. The original 2-game punishment given to Ray Rice is 100% in line with the discipline given to the previous 84 other incidents of players arrested for domestic violence since 2000. (Actually, since about 70 of those incident never resulted in a suspension, it is clear that the Ray Rice punishment was more harsh than what the NFL had been doing beforehand.) We never heard a shred of public outrage about any of these incidents.

 

[CCBoy]

Reports Conflict On Whether Roger Goodell Knew Ray Rice Punched Fiancée
by Darren Hartwell on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:17PM

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<img class="alignright size-full wp-image-385148" src="http://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/roger-goodell-2.jpg?w=400&h=225" alt="NFL: Super Bowl XLVIII-Commissioner Roger Goodell Press Conference" width="400" height="225" />The evidence in the Ray Rice case seems pretty straightforward. A video released by TMZ this week clearly shows the former Baltimore Ravens running back punching his then-fiancée, Janay Palmer, in an Atlantic City. N.J., elevator.

What is far less clear, however, is who knew of Rice’s actions, and when they knew it.

The latter issue has landed NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on the hot seat, as a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the NFL knew of the video’s existence back in April.

Former FBI director Robert S. Mueller has launched an investigation into how the NFL handled evidence in the case, but in the meantime, conflicting reports have emerged regarding the actions Goodell took in the incident’s aftermath.

One NFL owner told the Wall Street Journal on Thursday that Goodell had mentioned to owners that Janay Rice told him that she felt partly to blame for the abuse from her then-fiance. Goodell also reportedly told them that he thought Janay Rice was knocked unconscious during her fall, not when Ray Rice hit her.

ESPN, meanwhile, claims four sources told “Outside the Lines” that Rice told Goodell that he punched his wife in the face, contradicting Goodell’s earlier claims that the result was “ambiguous.”

While the true extent of Goodell’s cover-up remains to be seen, the more important issue at hand is that the NFL continues to send the message to its players that it will seemingly do everything in its power to minimize the punishment of those who commit acts of domestic violence.

Unless Goodell — or the owners who support Goodell — do something about that, incidents like these will continue to happen. At present, Goodell continues to have solid support among NFL owners, but the Washington Post reports that the group is prepared to push for his dismissal if the investigation yields “egregious misconduct” on the part of the commissioner.


http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...=3707&linksrc=mb_story_main_head_top_17260904

 

[cmoney23]

I don't see why dealing with what is happening at present in the NFL...as being how you described it. One either get's his big boy pants on with a real topic, or stays out of it.

This was the first real display of a lack of ability to deal with the topic. It isn't all sensationalism, and deals with acts and reactions to a very relevant issue in today's life. That being both in the NFL and the social fabric similarly. Grow up here...or stay out.

Un fortunately it is all sensationalism... its a non story. My mother worked at the CSADV for over 20 years. I have been to more candle light vigils for domestic violence than anyone you will meet. I have helped women in those situations move out of there homes into a shelter... my aunt was abused for 5+ years. And trust me when I say... This was not domestic violence... This was two people that were inebriated and got into a physical altercation. If she was being abused there is NO way she would have EVER in her life "acted" him like that. I was listening to the DP show this week and two women that were abused by there former husbands for over a combined 20 years called in and echoed that sentiment. So you can trust it as fact.

He hit her.

She's alive, well, and married to that man now. He was arrested... released and was penalized by our legal system. He was punished by his employer in a similar manner to other recent domestic violence cases. The fact that this is a topic of debate is quite honestly ludicrous

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I just heard Roger makes $125K a day! A day!

That is staggering.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Un fortunately it is all sensationalism... its a non story. My mother worked at the CSADV for over 20 years. I have been to more candle light vigils for domestic violence than anyone you will meet. I have helped women in those situations move out of there homes into a shelter... my aunt was abused for 5+ years. And trust me when I say... This was not domestic violence... This was two people that were inebriated and got into a physical altercation. If she was being abused there is NO way she would have EVER in her life "acted" him like that. I was listening to the DP show this week and two women that were abused by there former husbands for over a combined 20 years called in and echoed that sentiment. So you can trust it as fact.

He hit her.

She's alive, well, and married to that man now. He was arrested... released and was penalized by our legal system. He was punished by his employer in a similar manner to other recent domestic violence cases. The fact that this is a topic of debate is quite honestly ludicrous

Very well said. This happened almost seven months ago and the Rice family went through the legal process and should be left alone. So what if Goodell knew about what happened? Maybe he and the Rice family felt it wasn't anyone else's business? Maybe he promised the Rice family to keep it confidential? We can all speculate but thankfully people aren't punished based on speculation.

This is a non-story that is being propped up by the media in order to rake in ratings. The amount of power the media has now when it comes to sparking outrage and fanning the mob mentality of easily manipulated Americans is disturbing.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Right. A punk knocks out his fiancee in an elevator and suddenly everyone wants the league commish to lose his job because a video surfaces. Only in America.

Dude, we finally agree.

If Goodell loses his job over this. That would be total bs.

But I don't think I hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton calling for his head because this (rice hitting and wife backing him is just stupid). They know that.

 

[CCBoy]

Un fortunately it is all sensationalism... its a non story. My mother worked at the CSADV for over 20 years. I have been to more candle light vigils for domestic violence than anyone you will meet. I have helped women in those situations move out of there homes into a shelter... my aunt was abused for 5+ years. And trust me when I say... This was not domestic violence... This was two people that were inebriated and got into a physical altercation. If she was being abused there is NO way she would have EVER in her life "acted" him like that. I was listening to the DP show this week and two women that were abused by there former husbands for over a combined 20 years called in and echoed that sentiment. So you can trust it as fact.

He hit her.

She's alive, well, and married to that man now. He was arrested... released and was penalized by our legal system. He was punished by his employer in a similar manner to other recent domestic violence cases. The fact that this is a topic of debate is quite honestly ludicrous

Very well said. This happened almost seven months ago and the Rice family went through the legal process and should be left alone. So what if Goodell knew about what happened? Maybe he and the Rice family felt it wasn't anyone else's business? Maybe he promised the Rice family to keep it confidential? We can all speculate but thankfully people aren't punished based on speculation.

This is a non-story that is being propped up by the media in order to rake in ratings. The amount of power the media has now when it comes to sparking outrage and fanning the mob mentality of easily manipulated Americans is disturbing.

No, there are a few things that involve justice, fair dealings, and organizational responsibilities involved.

Brushing things off as a degree of assault and a court proceeding isn't near the story.

First, the individuals involved already were high profile as well as generally protected under the cloak of being a NFL player.

Don't feign naivete on subject now. Just because today's young society judge on whether or not they are now bored, doesn't handle issues that go beyond an emotional want to hear or not.

For those of us who went through Viet Nam and street protests on racial issues, have carried TONS more direct examples of abuses in their own memory banks...and with direct applications and pain.

My own experiences don't denigrate the integrity of process as well as social wrongs that are DIRECTLY being address here and now.

There is evidence that supports multiple examples of lying to the public and ignoring of specific knowledge of events from almost the start.
That in addition, the Federal Congress demanded more transparency in sports, that they directly over see...takes issue beyond a described circus around some fans and the NFL.

One can slander the process and validity involved, but that isn't the truth of either the process now, or the need for just this sort of exposure to be viewed by all fans.

A former head of the FBI, and on the NFL side, two owners/lawyers overseeing for the NFL...is NOT a dog and pony show. In Russia, yea...but not here. There are ethics and morales at work in our Country. And they do have a day of reckoning...like that or not.

 

[dragon_mikal]

No, there are a few things that involve justice, fair dealings, and organizational responsibilities involved.

Brushing things off as a degree of assault and a court proceeding isn't near the story.

First, the individuals involved already were high profile as well as generally protected under the cloak of being a NFL player.

Don't feign naivete on subject now. Just because today's young society judge on whether or not they are now bored, doesn't handle issues that go beyond an emotional want to hear or not.

For those of us who went through Viet Nam and street protests on racial issues, have carried TONS more direct examples of abuses in their own memory banks...and with direct applications and pain.

My own experiences don't denigrate the integrity of process as well as social wrongs that are DIRECTLY being address here and now.

There is evidence that supports multiple examples of lying to the public and ignoring of specific knowledge of events from almost the start.
That in addition, the Federal Congress demanded more transparency in sports, that they directly over see...takes issue beyond a described circus around some fans and the NFL.

One can slander the process and validity involved, but that isn't the truth of either the process now, or the need for just this sort of exposure to be viewed by all fans.

A former head of the FBI, and on the NFL side, two owners/lawyers overseeing for the NFL...is NOT a dog and pony show. In Russia, yea...but not here. There are ethics and morales at work in our Country. And they do have a day of reckoning...like that or not.

If it can be proven that Goodell outright lied than he needs to be removed. That's a given. But he shouldn't be removed simply because people don't like him or the media calls for it. There needs to be solid evidence that can be provided that proves he maliciously tried to cover up the incident by lying.

 

[CCBoy]

If it can be proven that Goodell outright lied than he needs to be removed. That's a given. But he shouldn't be removed simply because people don't like him or the media calls for it. There needs to be solid evidence that can be provided that proves he maliciously tried to cover up the incident by lying.

Oh, I agree, but credible evidence has been presented from numerous sources, including law enforcement and an admitting of guilt by Rice already as to conduct.

If one still doesn't trust the system already brought to bear in a clearing of the air, then I would only agree to the above if one also believes that the Marine Corp, having been unsuccessful at punishing and correcting a malcontent marine, by calling his Mother in also.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If it can be proven that Goodell outright lied than he needs to be removed. That's a given. But he shouldn't be removed simply because people don't like him or the media calls for it. There needs to be solid evidence that can be provided that proves he maliciously tried to cover up the incident by lying.

He should have been removed a long time ago. He lied during the investigation of CTE and tried to ruin the career of the coroner that first discovered CTE in Mike Webster and another Steelers player (can't remember the name) and started to see a link between CTE and football. As the coroner has said, the league came to him and told him that if only 10% of the mothers would not let their son play football because they were afraid of getting CTE, it would destroy the game.

Goodell had a motive and tried to lie about CTE in order to get around it. And when the coroner started to do more research Goodell and the NFL went out of their way to try and blackball him.


He should have been removed a long time ago because he was brought forth by Congress for the SpyGate scandal and lied to Congress. Congress has handled similar situations dealing with point shaving in sports, so I don't think it was beyond their jurisdiction to deal with this. And I hate Congress as much as anybody...but, lying to them is wrong and is against the law. And it is flat-out embarrassing. It also risks the NFL's tax-exempt status which means money being lost for the owners.


He should have been removed a long time ago because he lied about the BountyGate scandal. Claimed to have tape of Anthony Hargrove accepting money for hurting Brett Favre on an illegal hit...which never happened. He essentially slandered Hargrove for whatever reason I have no idea.


He helped the owners...sans Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder, in executing collusion during the non-strike year. Collusion is illegal in this country and could be used by the NFLPA to cost the owners money and eventually lose their tax-exempt status.


I agree with the sentiment that many people are just upset that they were lied to. But, the issue is that knowing what a business represents is important to customers. For instance, if a business hires a child molester...even if the child molester has served their time and the business is on the up-and-up...many people will refuse to give their money to a business that hires a child molester.

That is the point of the punishment role of the commissioner...to show the core values of what the league represents. And throughout the Ray Rice case it has been shown that the league is very ignorant towards domestic violence. There is a large chunk of customers that are completely repulsed by domestic violence and it means more to them than football.

I think the majority of fans could understand if Goodell made a mea culpa and gave over the punishment duties to somebody else or a panel of experts in the field. Instead, he has continued to lie about it which represents that the league is exceedingly ignorant about domestic violence and is more concerned about saving face and blaming everybody else than what actually went on. And IF this were the only case of habitual lying and covering something up in Goodell's tenure...the public would likely be less aggravated. But, it's just another instance in a series of instances by Goodell...in just 8 years of being commissioner.

In the end with the Rice situation, the league really needs to look out for advertisers and sponsors. They are usually the first to go at the hint of outrage by the public. And if they start dropping like flies...the league loses more money and the affects will be felt instantly. And that possibility of losing their tax exempt status just becomes higher.

And yet, we still have people who think that firing Goodell...a person that represents a possible loss in popularity and potential losses in hundreds of millions of dollars as 'BS.'

I just don't get it.








YR

 

[Zimmy Lives]

A former head of the FBI, and on the NFL side, two owners/lawyers overseeing for the NFL...is NOT a dog and pony show. In Russia, yea...but not here. There are ethics and morales at work in our Country. And they do have a day of reckoning...like that or not.

Maybe not but the investigation can be called other things.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505460/former-fbi-director-probe-rice-case

 

[CCBoy]

Maybe not but the investigation can be called other things.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505460/former-fbi-director-probe-rice-case

You buying the labeling shell game?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

You buying the labeling shell game?

I don't buy anything, I'm just informed.

 

[cmoney23]

No, there are a few things that involve justice, fair dealings, and organizational responsibilities involved.

Brushing things off as a degree of assault and a court proceeding isn't near the story.

First, the individuals involved already were high profile as well as generally protected under the cloak of being a NFL player.

Don't feign naivete on subject now. Just because today's young society judge on whether or not they are now bored, doesn't handle issues that go beyond an emotional want to hear or not.

For those of us who went through Viet Nam and street protests on racial issues, have carried TONS more direct examples of abuses in their own memory banks...and with direct applications and pain.

My own experiences don't denigrate the integrity of process as well as social wrongs that are DIRECTLY being address here and now.

There is evidence that supports multiple examples of lying to the public and ignoring of specific knowledge of events from almost the start.
That in addition, the Federal Congress demanded more transparency in sports, that they directly over see...takes issue beyond a described circus around some fans and the NFL.

One can slander the process and validity involved, but that isn't the truth of either the process now, or the need for just this sort of exposure to be viewed by all fans.

A former head of the FBI, and on the NFL side, two owners/lawyers overseeing for the NFL...is NOT a dog and pony show. In Russia, yea...but not here. There are ethics and morales at work in our Country. And they do have a day of reckoning...like that or not.

I'll be completely honest with you... I have read your post three times and have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about? But I don't think it pertains to anything we are talking about...

 

[CCBoy]

I'll be completely honest with you... I have read your post three times and have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about? But I don't think it pertains to anything we are talking about...

Simple, I don't have an agenda for explaining away pertinent issues through stereotype.

 

[CCBoy]

I don't buy anything, I'm just informed.

...and fight an abstract issue not involved directly in protection of player's right in collective bargaining...read on.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

...and fight an abstract issue not involved directly in protection of player's right in collective bargaining...read on.

That would be my intention.

 

[CCBoy]

That would be my intention.

This is the cruxt of issue I was addressing:

Dawn Macelli: I am exceptionally well pleased with the actions taken by the Ravens and the NFL now that the full Ray Rice issue has become known. What concerns me the most is that there seems to be some issue with what the league knew and when they knew it. If Roger Goodell knew all of this and downplayed it until everything became public, I think it is time for him to be fired.


And the comparative value being the social issue that desperately needs attention as well as a social accountability...not downgrading received by the NFL.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

This is the cruxt of issue I was addressing:

Dawn Macelli: I am exceptionally well pleased with the actions taken by the Ravens and the NFL now that the full Ray Rice issue has become known. What concerns me the most is that there seems to be some issue with what the league knew and when they knew it. If Roger Goodell knew all of this and downplayed it until everything became public, I think it is time for him to be fired.


And the comparative value being the social issue that desperately needs attention as well as a social accountability...not downgrading received by the NFL.

This was my point as well. While informative, Florio's article (linked provided in earlier post) wreaked of agenda. There are so many agendas involved in this Ray Rice media/NFL scandal that it is getting difficult to narrow things down to the real issue: Domestic abuse.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Oh, I agree, but credible evidence has been presented from numerous sources, including law enforcement and an admitting of guilt by Rice already as to conduct.

If one still doesn't trust the system already brought to bear in a clearing of the air, then I would only agree to the above if one also believes that the Marine Corp, having been unsuccessful at punishing and correcting a malcontent marine, by calling his Mother in also.

Thanks for your service, BTW. Should of said that earlier.

He should have been removed a long time ago. He lied during the investigation of CTE and tried to ruin the career of the coroner that first discovered CTE in Mike Webster and another Steelers player (can't remember the name) and started to see a link between CTE and football. As the coroner has said, the league came to him and told him that if only 10% of the mothers would not let their son play football because they were afraid of getting CTE, it would destroy the game.

Goodell had a motive and tried to lie about CTE in order to get around it. And when the coroner started to do more research Goodell and the NFL went out of their way to try and blackball him.


He should have been removed a long time ago because he was brought forth by Congress for the SpyGate scandal and lied to Congress. Congress has handled similar situations dealing with point shaving in sports, so I don't think it was beyond their jurisdiction to deal with this. And I hate Congress as much as anybody...but, lying to them is wrong and is against the law. And it is flat-out embarrassing. It also risks the NFL's tax-exempt status which means money being lost for the owners.


He should have been removed a long time ago because he lied about the BountyGate scandal. Claimed to have tape of Anthony Hargrove accepting money for hurting Brett Favre on an illegal hit...which never happened. He essentially slandered Hargrove for whatever reason I have no idea.


He helped the owners...sans Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder, in executing collusion during the non-strike year. Collusion is illegal in this country and could be used by the NFLPA to cost the owners money and eventually lose their tax-exempt status.


I agree with the sentiment that many people are just upset that they were lied to. But, the issue is that knowing what a business represents is important to customers. For instance, if a business hires a child molester...even if the child molester has served their time and the business is on the up-and-up...many people will refuse to give their money to a business that hires a child molester.

That is the point of the punishment role of the commissioner...to show the core values of what the league represents. And throughout the Ray Rice case it has been shown that the league is very ignorant towards domestic violence. There is a large chunk of customers that are completely repulsed by domestic violence and it means more to them than football.

I think the majority of fans could understand if Goodell made a mea culpa and gave over the punishment duties to somebody else or a panel of experts in the field. Instead, he has continued to lie about it which represents that the league is exceedingly ignorant about domestic violence and is more concerned about saving face and blaming everybody else than what actually went on. And IF this were the only case of habitual lying and covering something up in Goodell's tenure...the public would likely be less aggravated. But, it's just another instance in a series of instances by Goodell...in just 8 years of being commissioner.

In the end with the Rice situation, the league really needs to look out for advertisers and sponsors. They are usually the first to go at the hint of outrage by the public. And if they start dropping like flies...the league loses more money and the affects will be felt instantly. And that possibility of losing their tax exempt status just becomes higher.

And yet, we still have people who think that firing Goodell...a person that represents a possible loss in popularity and potential losses in hundreds of millions of dollars as 'BS.'

I just don't get it.



YR

I couldn't care less about whether or not Goodell is fired but it's up to his employers not you, me or the media.