Yakuza Blog: Don't Get Your Hopes Up Too High On Pacman

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posted by Yakuza Rich at 8:37 PM
http://yakuzarich.blogspot.com/2008/06/dont-get-your-hopes-up-too-high-on.html

While the Cowboys may wind up with a steal in the end, getting Pacman Jones for roughly a 4th round pick, Cowboys fans shouldn't count on him to contribute to the team just yet. I'll get to his constant legal issues, but Jones will be coming back from a year away from the game and there's bound to be some rust and I'm sure he hasn't been lifting weights to keep in form (unfortunately, NFL'ers tend to overdo the weight lifting at times). So we could be seeing a recipe for a short term disaster as we saw with Jacques Reeves last season, sometimes you're only as good as your worst player on the field. And I have to imagine that Pacman's going to need a lot of practice to get used to catching punts. Also, in the Wade Phillips scheme he does prefer larger corners. It's not a necessity like what you may see out of a Gregg Williams scheme, but Phillips still prefers them because of their tackling and Pacman was a pretty weak tackler from 2005-2006.

I've had people ask me on my thoughts on Pacman being temporarily reinstated and I have a hard time disagreeing with the decision, even trying to put by Cowboys bias aside. Whether we like Pacman or not, the fact is that the man has never been convicted of a crime and in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. While they are vastly different scenarios, that's the key ingredient that makes Pacman no different than the Duke Lacrosse players who were railroaded by a piece of human sludge named Mike Nifong. I'm certainly no Roger Goodell fan and have been calling for his impeachment (www.impeachgoodell.com), but I'm not sure what can be done with Pacman that hasn't been done. This isn't the Spygate scandal because the Patriots were found guilty of breaking the rules. Sure, suspending Pacman for a year was fine because his actions...regardless if he had been found guilty or not...were indeed damaging the league's reputations. But after awhile you have to wonder how long can the league suspend a guy for damaging the league's reputation in the past, without every truly being found guilty of committing a crime.

Still, it's hard for me to believe that some leopards legitimately change their spots. But I do believe that the Cowboys have done things with Owens and Tank Johnson and now with Pacman to make it so the changing of the spots can happen. These players, particularly Johnson and Pacman when they signed them, knew that they were on their very last legs in the NFL. Not only that, their contracts were cheap, the team really didn't give up much in return to acquire them and they have players that the team is not afraid to use in place of them. So what happens is now the player understands that he truly is on his last legs in the NFL because while it would suck to a degree to see the player screw up again and get booted from the roster, the Cowboys can simply afford to do that and will do that if the situation arises.

That's a big reason why I'm in favor of a cap on rookie contracts, although that's not a final solution, just a step in the right direction. But you have to give Bill Parcells a lot of credit for that. He simply would not draft troubled players, but still appeased Jerry Jones' by taking in talented, but troubled players. The difference was that under Parcells they didn't give up much for the player and weren't afraid to cut him the moment he ran afoul. Before Parcells the Cowboys would give up sizeable contracts to these players and if the player screwed up they would let it go because they probably didn't have anything better to replace him.

So while Parcells had his stubborn and conservative ways and Owens flourished once he finally left, it's an invaluable lesson the hopefully Jerry Jones truly learned and will keep doing into the future.
 

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If he gives us nothing more than better Punt Returns it is a huge bonus.
 

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I expect him to be no more rusty, if not less, than a guy coming off a season ending injury such as a seperated shoulder.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;2115440 said:
A Crayton fair catch is far more exhilirating....
Only for anyone watching me rant and rave in my living room as he does it.
 

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Hostile;2115445 said:
Only for anyone watching me rant and rave in my living room as he does it.

why? because he he doesn't FC, he actually loses yards?
 

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Pacman is naturally talented, so I don't expect him to struggle TOO much (expecting him to play like Reeves is a slap in the face IMO). I don't expect him to be starter-caliber this season while he finds his game legs but he should definitely be a good nickel/dime back against teams lesser WRs. He's an aggressive, in-yo-face, man-up type of CB so he should fit in well w/ Phillips/Stewart's attacking scheme. If he's "changed his spots" as far as his off-field lifestyle (which is my biggest question as far as Pacman goes), he could very well be an integral part of Dallas' success this season.
 

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Don't think Pacman will be as rusy as some think. He'll get plenty of work in next week's minicamp & a whole lot more in TC & 4 preseason games. It's not like he's coming back from some awful injury & there question if he fully healed nor is he an older player who might be affected by the lengthy time off. Heck the 32 year old Ellis missed essentially a year before he came back & then w/o TC/preseason play, went on to have his best season. You mean that a 24 year old kid can't be ready to go early in the 08 season. Hmm I doubt that.
 

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Gryphon;2115411 said:
Still, it's hard for me to believe that some leopards legitimately change their spots.

Stripes Rich, leopards have stripes.
 

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While the Cowboys may wind up with a steal in the end, getting Pacman Jones for roughly a 4th round pick, Cowboys fans shouldn't count on him to contribute to the team just yet. I'll get to his constant legal issues, but Jones will be coming back from a year away from the game and there's bound to be some rust


As much as I try I just cant get my hands around this thinking.
Why would anyone would believe Pacman Jones wont be 100% in shape in time for the 2008 season?
He's 24-25 years old and not coming off an injury, but a years suspension.
He's participating in the OTA's and the off season conditioning program. He will participate in the June camp and then training camp starting late July.

Let me put this in bold print: Pacman Jones will be 100% by the start of or early on in Training Camp.
If he's not starting over Henry its what Wade believes is best for the team. It wont have anything to do with rust.

You guys are all so worried that this move wont work out that you all have this irrational need to qualify it.
Oh well he'll probably be to rusty to help this year.
Oh we really don't need him, no big deal if he doesn't play or start.
Oh if he does screw up its really no big loss.

NO, NO and NO.

Now I'm not saying we need Pacman to win a Superbowl. Far from it. He could blow out his knee tomorrow and I still say were the favorite.

But I'm not going to minimize his potential impact just because I'm afraid it might not work out.


Look Pacman Jones is an Elite/Blue Chip athlete.
He was the 6th player drafted in 2005 by a quality orginization that knows talent. So you have to agree his pedigree is legit. BTW wouldn't mind knowing what Dallas and SD(Wade) thought of/ranked Pacman in 2005.

Everyone would agree, that his rookie season was nothing special. Everyone also agrees that he made big strides in 2006. Especially the second half of that season. I don't know about you guys but I remember him in the Tenn highlights consistently that second half of 2006 when they went on a run.

I'm no Pacman expert. I've seen little game action of him. There are a few things that I've read/heard recently that have me very excited.
Brian Baldinger recently said that he thought Pacman was the best CB playing by the end of 2006. Think about that...not one of the best or top 10. No, the best CB. Baldinger is a fairly unbiased and credible source here. He has no love lost for the Boys. If he says that, he believes it.
I also recently read that the Titans would isolate Pacman on the opponents best WR, often without help.

With this info in mind, would it be a stretch to believe Pacman could be a top 10 CB for us in 2008?

This is what I'm expecting. I'm expecting us to have the best CB's this year.
 

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abersonc;2115531 said:
Stripes Rich, leopards have stripes.
leopardcub.jpg
 

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I think the Cowboys must communicate very high goals and expectations to Pacman. Keep him focused. I don't want him to think he has a free pass this year to get back into things.

As a fan, I expect him to be our #3 CB behind Newman and Jenkins. Henry should probably be safety (insurance and depth, may lose Hamlin after this year). So next year Watkins, Henry, and hopefully Hamlin.
 

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wrong.. pacman has been keeping in shape during his suspension and is even working with prime time doing certain DB drills and the like (as we all know)

i don't think pacman will be as rusty as this herb is implying
 

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DMN Blog: Silver stirring the Pacman pot
11:25 AM Thu, Jun 12, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Yahoo! Sports writer Michael Silver has taken the whole Pacman Jones thing by the horns over the last 10 days.

It all started on June 3, with Silver's stance on the Jones reinstatement, as part of the lead to his "Trippin' Tuesday" mailbag. Silver's point was ...

I'm not saying Jones isn't capable of turning his life around, salvaging his career and fulfilling the promise that had already turned him into one of the NFL's most exciting players in 2006, a year after the Titans made him the sixth overall draft pick. He certainly should understand by now that he is one slip-up away from blowing his chance at getting paid millions to play football, possibly forever, and screwing up under such circumstances would be truly stupid.
But even if Jones has changed, and I'm skeptical, they're not shedding any tears in Nashville over his departure. As one of Pacman's former Titans teammates told me Monday, "By the end (of '06), guys were so sick of him and his antics and the uncertainty over whether he was gonna play that they just wanted it to be over. I think the way guys feel about (his reinstatement) is, 'He'll be a great fit in Dallas.' "

And yes, he was laughing as he said that last part.


This, of course, drew the ire of Cowboys fans, and Silver answered no fewer than four Pacman-related emails in this week's Trippin'. Three of them were one-line smackdowns. Here's the one that elicited a longer response:

» Continue reading: Silver stirring the Pacman pot
 

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The best thing about getting Pacman is he is not being asked to come in an start. He's not being asked to come in and lock down a teams #1 or #2 WR. He is going to be rusty of course, but right now he will be asked to provide a spark to the punt return game and he will be eased in slowly in various nickle and dime packages.
 

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DCBoysfan;2115686 said:
The best thing about getting Pacman is he is not being asked to come in an start. He's not being asked to come in and lock down a teams #1 or #2 WR. He is going to be rusty of course, but right now he will be asked to provide a spark to the punt return game and he will be eased in slowly in various nickle and dime packages.

It is hard to say if he will be rusty when the season starts. He is went through the OTA and will go through the upcoming mini-camp and training camp as well as the pre-season. My only concern with Jones is staying out of trouble
 

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Doomsday101;2115710 said:
It is hard to say if he will be rusty when the season starts. He is went through the OTA and will go through the upcoming mini-camp and training camp as well as the pre-season. My only concern with Jones is staying out of trouble

CB is a pretty good position to be "rusty" at as your "street player" skills can take you a long way, especially if you are playing 3rd corner to start.
 
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